Monuments to racism toppling around the world.

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14 Jun 2020, 5:30 am

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I saw that statue of our first Australian prime minister Edmund Barton has been defaced.


There is a significant amount of blind, irrational hatred out there in some parts of the Australian community.
Nothing new. <shrug>



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14 Jun 2020, 5:41 am

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australia has come a long ways from those days, and seems to be making more progress along these lines than we are here this side of the pond.


I believe you are right.
The "Deaths in Custody" figures are a shadow of what they were.
And there is no suggestion of systematic abuse, from what I have heard.
I'm not sure what the verdict is, regarding the recent aboriginal shooting death by police, as a result of a knife attack on both officers.

And there are other stats which indicate there are more deaths in custody of non-aborigines than aborigines, presuming no statistical buggery.



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14 Jun 2020, 5:49 am

its my feeling if we are going to move forward then leave these statues where they are but put quotes made by these men that reflect how they thought to educate the young generation.



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14 Jun 2020, 6:19 am

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Who reads books?

I don’t know about a statue to to rats but I think we might have been better off if people knew more about past plagues and pandemics prior to COVID-19

There is this
Monument to the laboratory mouse
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The Monument to the laboratory mouse is a sculpture in the city of Novosibirsk in Siberia, Russia. It is located in a park in front of the Institute of Cytology and Genetics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and was completed on July 1, 2013, coinciding with the 120th anniversary of the founding of the city.

According to Nikolai Kolchanov, the director of the institute, the monument commemorates the sacrifice of the mice in genetic research used to understand biological and physiological mechanisms for developing new drugs and curing


And there was the Irish rock group ‘The Boomtown Rats’ and the Michael Jackson song


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14 Jun 2020, 8:14 am

Yes. I had that song on my K-Tel records greatest hits of Motown album. Would cry because of how well little Michael sang that lovely sensitive song. But then I realized that "Ben" was the sequel to the movie "Williard", and that the "Ben" being serenaded in the song was...a killer rat! :lol:



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14 Jun 2020, 11:49 am

Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
australia has come a long ways from those days, and seems to be making more progress along these lines than we are here this side of the pond.


I believe you are right.
The "Deaths in Custody" figures are a shadow of what they were.
And there is no suggestion of systematic abuse, from what I have heard.
I'm not sure what the verdict is, regarding the recent aboriginal shooting death by police, as a result of a knife attack on both officers.

And there are other stats which indicate there are more deaths in custody of non-aborigines than aborigines, presuming no statistical buggery.


Lol it’s been on news programs here in Canada that systemic racism against Indigenous peoples exists in Australia just the same as it does here & elsewhere. The particular show was highlighting camps of homeless people on some major city and almost all of them were Indigenous.

I’ve also seen stories circulating lately about Indigenous deaths in police custody. As for more white people being shot - perhaps - and if so maybe that’s because there are more white people? (And even that’s because of colonization & genocide..)


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14 Jun 2020, 12:26 pm

We need more nude statues.


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14 Jun 2020, 2:19 pm

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We need more nude statues.


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14 Jun 2020, 2:35 pm

Pioneer statues were torn down . We are a pioneer city it’s how we started. Mind you the statues were of no person. Just generic pioneer man and one of a pioneer woman.

Only connection people can make is at some point some racist gave a speech near one of them.
So no all pioneers are racist.


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14 Jun 2020, 2:39 pm

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Pioneer statues were torn down . We are a pioneer city it’s how we started. Mind you the statues were of no person. Just generic pioneer man and one of a pioneer woman.

Only connection people can make is at some point some racist gave a speech near one of them.
So no all pioneers are racist.


Really, sly?

Either they actively participated in the genocide of approximately 100,000,000 Indigenous people OR stood silently by and benefited from it as they founded cities on stolen land.

Tear all their statues down for all I care about them and their contributions to history written from a white colonial perspective.


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14 Jun 2020, 3:44 pm

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sly279 wrote:
Pioneer statues were torn down . We are a pioneer city it’s how we started. Mind you the statues were of no person. Just generic pioneer man and one of a pioneer woman.

Only connection people can make is at some point some racist gave a speech near one of them.
So no all pioneers are racist.


Really, sly?

Either they actively participated in the genocide of approximately 100,000,000 Indigenous people OR stood silently by and benefited from it as they founded cities on stolen land.

Tear all their statues down for all I care about them and their contributions to history written from a white colonial perspective.


I hope he isn't suggesting that red lives didn't matter. We didn't deserve to be subjected to genocide just for being in the way of what white people wanted and felt entitled to take because somebody stuck their f*****g flag in it. Actively contributing to those racist actions makes them condemnable.

What's worse is that the attitude hasn't changed at all, our interests are still dismissed whenever we're in the way of a pipeline.


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14 Jun 2020, 5:19 pm

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Monuments to racism toppling around the world.
They cannot drop quickly enough.


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14 Jun 2020, 5:57 pm

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If the Churchill one gets toppled (Black and Tans were evil, he did other evil stuff too like causing a famine in India), we should appease the people who are good and not bigots but object to it cos he was a World War Two hero.

I suggest Alan Turing. Man was probably aspie, gay, a war hero of the Second World War, didn't get the recognition he deserved in his lifetime and was treated like dirt after the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing


Agree. We wouldn't be communicating like this if it wasn't for Turing.

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From confederate statues across the USA to some slave trader statue in Bristol, England, and even a local one here in Vancouver - which hasn’t been toppled, but it’s being suggested it should be & maybe replaced with an Indigenous woman or something.. IMO the entire movement is rather refreshing to watch and long overdue.


I'm amazed that statue in Bristol stood anyway. It was offensive. Not only was he a slave trader (bad enough in itself), he branded all slaves on the chest, and packed them in ships so full around 20% died on the journey. They were thrown overboard. Why did that statue stand for so long? It deserved to be toppled. I was sorry to see it had been retrieved from the water - it needed to stay there for a good long while, no excuses about 'working dock'. What a rubbish excuse. Pah. :?


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14 Jun 2020, 6:00 pm

“Working dock,” ? :?


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14 Jun 2020, 6:07 pm

Very great movie about Turing.



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14 Jun 2020, 6:30 pm

Fnord wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Monuments to racism toppling around the world.
They cannot drop quickly enough.


I think the message here is that if someone actually sees the value in saving a statue others don't, they can steal it instead of knocking it over. :ninja:

I for one am not really picturing Trump supporters curating sculpture gardens. :roll:


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