Police shooting in Wisconsin,protests erupt

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I'm sure that's the case.

Well, do enlighten me about gun safety please. I'll wait.

I haven't heard that Rittenhouse accepted Woods offer,but it's certainly possible he may have accepted the offer at some today.You may know something I don't.

I just saw it as a headline, so probably not. He has extended his services, but that's all it said.

Ok,extended services is all i,ve heard too.

I wonder when someone is going to be calling it victim blaming because the kid chose to put himself in a situation where he can be attacked because he carried open fire arm.

Ironically he is a Blue Lives Matter guy but here he is being arrested by them.

never understood the whole "blue lives matter" thing at its very core

i know why we need police but you can't draw a parallel between a race and a job, one of them you choose and can choose to abandon, the other you are stuck with for life.

I think the parallel is supposed to be that american police are justified in their twitchy trigger-fingers because of how dangerous their job environment and the violent criminals in it are, where hesitation to use lethal force could mean not going home again. So the "blue life" is weighed against the (for the purpose of the metaphor presumed to be) "black life".

As an outsider looking in; does american police have a racism problem? Probably. Is the racism problem bigger than the problems of their staggeringly low competence, access to hardware they're not trained to use properly and their absurd approach of "de-escalation via escalation" as one cop I read about described it? Probably not.

Following a bit of research:

Source: https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1299366416026677248
Whether Lin is involved I don't know, as I believe this may have been arranged through a legal fund Lin is setting up.

I also believe, based on the charging documents that Mr Rosenbaum was lunging for Kyle's gun at the time he was shot. There is also the fact that Mr Rosenbaum was moving towards Kyle and started chasing him with no interaction\known reason noted by McGinnis (who was close by during all this) to explain why (page 3).


Source: https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/journaltimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/6f/46ff33b7-0bd7-55e6-8f2f-9ded0582862f/5f4933274cde9.pdf.pdf - Charge sheets

Lin Wood is of course famous for making money for teen Nick Sandmann who stared down an elderly native American man with a smirk. Dirty money but a good performance from both lawyer and "cry face" teen.

He has his work cut out calling immediately for the self-defense plea for Rittenhouse.

Why?

1.Hours before the shooting, Rittenhouse filmed himself bragging that he was going to be a vigilante. Not a good look.
2. Rittenhouse shot his first victim (Rosenbaum) in the back, provocation? throwing a plastic bag...justified homicide?...I don't think shooting somebody in the back is ever justifiable anyway
3. Anthony Huber was innocently caught in cross-fire resulting in his death. No way to justify self-defense
4. Gaige Grosskreutz was seriously injured by Rittenhouse and requires reconstructive surgery. The only reason he is alive is because he is a paramedic and was able to get assistance from passers by to tell them to apply a tourniquet to stop the bleeding (otherwise he would be murder victim number 3). He has also engaged a lawyer to prosecute Rittenhouse.
5. He is under aged and should not have been carrying an AR-15 assault weapon
6. He broke the 8pm curfew due to COVID-19

So Lin Wood is going to have a rather difficult time trying to defend Rittenhouse who is being charged as an adult with two counts of first degree homicide and one count of attempted homicide. Rittenhouse, also faces charges of recklessly endangering the safety of two other victims and possessing a weapon while under the age of 18.

However you "spin it", it doesn't look good.

It appears he shot him once, then Rosenbaum starts falling to the ground, then he shoots him three more times.

Probably, Rosenbaum turned as he fell, so one shot was in his back.

Actually, it was for defamation from certain publications against him (making claims such as "stared down an elderly native American man with a smirk")...

I haven't seen that: The only video prior to this that I had seen was when he was being interviewed (by the witness in the charging documents, I believe) where he said he was there as a first-aider (helping rioters as well as defenders, as ambulances were unable to enter that area due to the riots) and to protect people's property, with the gun for his defence - Do you have a link to this elusive video where he said he "was going to be a vigilante"

The shot in the back may have been a result of his falling\turning after the first shot(s). There has also been a suggestion that shot came from elsewhere, but I don't know whether there is any evidence to support this, though. Looking at the video, he is facing Kyle when Kyle shoots, so it's not an intentional shooting in the back as you imply.

You mean the person who has run in while Kyle was on the ground, hit him with a skateboard and tried to grab the rifle barrel?
Running in with a drawn weapon. He stopped when rifle was pointed towards him, then commenced moving forward, raising his gun when Kyle changed the direction of his gun away from him...Not as innocent as you imply. The reason he is still alive, would also include the fact that Kyle only fired a single shot, and ceased firing when he was no longer a threat...

This would have no effect on a "self defence" claim, in the same way that convicted felons can use a weapon in self defence - Charges related to unlawful use of weapon (due to age) would cover this, but it has no impact on the validity of "self defence".

As did the victims - Had they abided by the curfew, then they wouldn't have been shot, either...


The only factors relevent to a "self defence" claim would be: did he have a reasonable (as determined by a jury) fear of serious bodily harm or death based on events around him, and the fact that he was trying to remove himself from possible harm in each occasion (with a witness saying that the first victim charged at him with no provocation) would factor into this. What you (or anyone else) feels about his actions have no relevence to this.

Some are looking for the worst in others ("he must be guilty"), whilst others prefer to give the benefit of the doubt: Consider it the prosecution vs "jury".

Yes, a "plastic bag". The kind of plastic bag that's on fire, goes "clink" when it hits the ground and starts rolling away. The kind of "plastic bag" that's named after a Soviet foreign minister. That sort of "plastic bag".


Still waiting for my lesson in gun safety.

It's interesting, too, seeing the sort of BLM supporter Mr Rosenbaum was:

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8676665/Man-shot-dead-BLM-protests-seen-video-taunting-armed-men-saying-Shoot-n.html

It sounds like he was 100% behind their message, and not just there looking for a fight...</sarcasm>

It's on his social media feed but its been shut down. The police ignored him when he casually walked toward him threw him a bottle of water and let him go home without any due diligence. The first thing he did when he got home was to get on social media and delete any material he posted that could be used in a court case, He wasn't charged till the next day.


The last bullet that killed Rosenbaum was in the back. Not sure why Rittenhouse thought it was a good idea to empty his rifle into somebody who was walking away?



According to a criminal complaint from Huber's girlfriend and family he was attempting to protect her as many of the protesters were unsure what Rittenhouse's motives were. You seem to be propping Rittenhouse as some type of hero but the protestors would have also been acting in self-defence as well protecting one another from what appeared to them to be a madman with a gun (frankly speaking that isnt far from the truth)

Huber reached for the suspect's gun with his hand while holding the skateboard in the other. As Huber tried to grab the gun, the suspect pointed it at his body and fired one round, the complaint says. There is no indication he used the skateboard as a weapon as you claim. Huber was seen staggering away and then fell to the ground. He died from his gunshot wound, according to the complaint.

If Rittenhouse was acting in self-defence then so were the victims. Can't have your cake and eat it too Bric....


I'm afraid in your eagerness to paint Rittenhouse as an "Angel with a gun" the video shows that after Rittenhouse murdered his last victim he left him there to die and casually walked toward the police. No attempt to provide first aid or remorse for what he did, he went straight home and probably started deleting his social media history, Seems like a sociopath who should never have been given a gun, Yet another indictment on American gun laws that wacko 17yr olds can carry an AR-15 and get congratulated by police who passed him walking from his deeds (who concurrently were in damage control over shooting a black man in the back).


That's a matter for the legal eagles to decide, I am not familiar with the intricacies of US gun law


Rosenbaum and Huber are dead so I guess they won't be fronting court. Do you suggest the grieving parents get a misdemeanor fine/penalty in the mail? that would make the police awfully popular


Lin Wood has an uphill battle trying to convince a jury that Rittenhouse was running. The video indicates he already killed Rosenbaum before his sprint. One interesting point here is what happened to his fellow militia? there were photos earlier that night showing Rittenhouse tailing other armed milita who mysteriously vanished so did Rittenhouse go rogue? will be interesting to find out.



On a side note law enforcement officials had previously blamed the armed vigilantes accompanying Rittenhouse who showed up Tuesday night for worsening tensions and sparking unnecessary confrontations.

9:57-10.00 in the Colion Noir video. He's thrusting with the skateboard towards Rittenhouse's head.

PLEASE: do research, not make assumptions: It was reported that the gun had a 30 round magazine: As far as has been reported, he fired less than 25% of the magazine over all the events reported.

I'd also be interested in footage showing he was walking away at the time he was shot in the back - I'd hate to think you were making up "facts" to support what you wish to believe...



As is blindingly obvious in the footage, Kyle is running AWAY from the protesters. Some then rush in towards him, attacking him and trying to take his rifle. By running in, they are legally the "agressor" and cannot legally claim "self defence" (simple research , such as watching one of the videos linked earlier in the thread,could have shown you this).

There is also footage of the skateboard he is holding being swung at Kyle's head...

And no, I'm not propping him up as a hero, just trying to clear up some of the MANY incorrect assertions certain people have been making, in order that less biased readers get a more accurate understanding of events.



Considering how he was chased away from the first person he had shot when he went to help, and the attacks on him as he tried to retreat, who, in their right mind, would consider it safe to stop and perform first-aid at that point in time?

Also, "murdered" has a very specific definition: There is no evidence he "murdered" anyone: At this point all that is known is that he killed some people: A minor distinction that some people need to be reminded of multiple times.



There have been at least 3 videos explaining this earlier in the thread, had you bothered to look at them, which would have helped you here...



Nope, just pointing out the inanity is trying to claim it exacerbated his actions, while ignoring the fact that had they and their fellow sociopathic rioters abided by the curfew, then his (and other people there to defend property) presence would have been unneccesary, and so this would not have occurred.



So, not only have you not looked at the video, you have ignored the facts, as detailed in the charging document: Kyle was RUNNING from Rosenbaum, who was shot after throwing an object at him, then lunging for his gun: As seen in the video, he wasn't a fast runner.

Again, he was speaking to the reporter not long before Mr Rosenbaum started chasing him (have a look at the charging documents - specifically pages 3 and 4 (from memory) which has the details as provided by a first-hand witness: https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/journaltimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/6f/46ff33b7-0bd7-55e6-8f2f-9ded0582862f/5f4933274cde9.pdf.pdf. Had you bothered to look, this information was also supplied earlier in the thread, explaining what occurred - It was Mr Rosenbaum who was looking for trouble, and who instigated the series of events by running at Kyle.

I'm sure the presence of the riotous mob of sociopaths and their unlawful activities had no impact on the tensions and confrontations in the city, either...

I can see from your comments (here and in other threads) that your sympathies are reserved for those sociopaths who have been rioting, looting, attacking police, and similar actions, and have no concern for the victims of this, nor for those who try to protect the innocent victims and their property, but can you please try and take the time to do some research before launching into another attack on those people...It makes for a much more informative discussion when both parties have done research, as opposed to one where one party made their mind up based solely on the first footage\report they saw which reinforced their internal bias and ignored anything presented which did not support this.