I have a question about the George Floyd incident.

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20 Sep 2020, 10:18 pm

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Oh okay. But what happened to so many people in the U.S. being hopping mad over the incident to the point where there are protests and riots about it? Did that all suddenly go away, and no all you have are jurors that are partial to police officers now, and no potential jurors biased towards Floyd to choose from?

There is no way to know.

They try to eliminate biased jurors.

However, selected jurors could be biased for Floyd or biased for the police.

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20 Sep 2020, 10:38 pm

Oh yeah, they try to eliminate them but other cases have had biased jurors before so I thought that out of all the angry people in Minneapolis, they would have no problem finding several biased jurors for Floyd.

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27 Oct 2020, 10:03 am

Truthfully I am sad for George Floyd.
I do think that a lot of people who resist arrest deserve to be put on their ass pronto but choking someone to death is extreme no?

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27 Oct 2020, 4:58 pm

Especially after they already had him in the police car, and then choose to remove him from the car and choke him.

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27 Oct 2020, 6:37 pm

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Especially after they already had him in the police car, and then choose to remove him from the car and choke him.

Makes one naseous to think about it .

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27 Oct 2020, 6:59 pm

Well the video is unclear but some say he escaped the car himself and the cops were just responding to his escape but do police cars have door handles in the back, that you can just pull and open the door with?

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27 Oct 2020, 7:08 pm

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There are two things to consider:

1. They say that this is a normal police procedure the knee on the kneck... But after the officers already have you cuffed, is still normal to use it? I though it was a procedure to help restrain you so they can get you into cuffs. But not if you are already in them, than the procedure is now allowed, is it?

The training slide says, "OK they are in handcuffs now what".

So, this is after handcuffs.

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2. So many people in the U.S are so mad abou this incident that it's likely a jury will not care what is proper and not proper procedure and want Chauvin to pay no matter what, won't they likely?

Defense lawyers have petitioned the judge to dismiss this before it goes to trial.

If it goes to trial, the Minneapolis attorney general says it will be very hard to convict the officers as juries don't easily convict police doing their jobs.

Mr. Floyd had a criminal and prison record, was supposedly doing a fraud crime at the time, resisting arrest, and pumped full of fentanyl . Not an ideal victim.

I showed earlier, the country medical examiner autopsy report, says there is no physical trauma evidence that Mr. Chauivin's pressure on Floyd's neck caused asphyxiation. Likely, it was the fentanyl, as it's known to cause asphyxiation.

"The medical examiner appeared to back his conclusion that Floyd was not asphyxiated by listing a host of injuries that were absent, in particular petechiae, or pinpoint-size red spots caused by broken blood vessels that can be a sign of asphyxiation".
https://www.startribune.com/george-floy ... 571000102/

We cannot tell from the video the amount of pressure by Mr. Chauvin.

So, there is no physical evidence that Mr. Chauvin murdered Floyd.

But since this murder case has caused protesting and rioting all across the country, a lot of peple hate that this happened, I mean they really really hate it. So wouldn't it be easier than usual to find jurors willing to convict therefore, if so many are protesting and rioting over it?

Also was the medical examiner able to conclude it was the fentanyl with evidence, or is he just saying likely, with no evidence from the fentanyl itself?

Also does anyone think it's a huge coincidence that pressing on someone's neck for 9 minutes didn't cause asphyxiation, but something else unrelated did, right after? The fact that he escaped a near death asphyxiation experience, but then suffered another one right after, from another source is too big of a coincidence to logically accept from a medical examiner, isn't it?

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27 Oct 2020, 7:13 pm

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having been in the back of the pigwagon meself, i can tell you that once you are in there, there's no escape.

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27 Oct 2020, 7:15 pm

Oh okay. My condolences on that happening to you.

So the police opened the door themselves. So I think this is a hole in the defense's defense then.

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27 Oct 2020, 7:22 pm

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Oh okay. My condolences on that happening to you.

So the police opened the door themselves. So I think this is a hole in the defense's defense then.

yup.

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27 Oct 2020, 7:26 pm

Usually if you get as far as the backseat , your already in handcuffs from things I have seen .
The situation just makes no sense ?

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27 Oct 2020, 7:53 pm

Well I watched the video again. It's hard to tell what is happening because the camera is shaking around so much. But they don't close the door on Floyd. They try to and Floyd resists. They then pull him out of the car and lay him down.

Now according to this article, they said that Floyd offered to lay down on the ground so he wouldn't have to be placed in the car:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd

I can't understand what Floyd says in the video at all. Not to sound insensitive, it's just that what he says is incomprehensible and I cannot make it out. But according to the article, he agrees to lie on the ground so the officers go along with it. But going along with it does not mean pressing on his kneck. If he agreed, like the article says, then why not just hold him on the ground without the kneck pressing?

Would the prosecutor bring this up?

Also, it was said that Chauvin and Floyd had a rough history together in other sources. The article also says that Chauvin arrived after, as back up. So I think what happened was, Chauvin so a man he use to work with that he hates, and decided that this was his chance to 'have some fun'.

So I think it will come off that way to a jury, that Chauvin wanted to have his fun, especially since he arrived later and made the whole situation worse, wouldn't it?

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27 Oct 2020, 8:48 pm

I heard some time ago that Floyd was having a claustrophobia attack.

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27 Oct 2020, 8:53 pm

i hope he is in heaven now.

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27 Oct 2020, 9:07 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:

I heard some time ago that Floyd was having a claustrophobia attack.

Possibly a panic attack set off by the pain/pressure applied by Chauvin.

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27 Oct 2020, 9:13 pm

more and more people are demonstrating their utter lack of compash for anybody outside their tribe or the wrong color.

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