Biggest Lie of Our Century - WHO Vindicates China

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The_Face_of_Boo
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19 Feb 2021, 3:34 pm

blackomen wrote:

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Fnord, He's asking common sense questions, not scientific questions...

... which he answers himself. This is typical of people who have their own agendas to advance.

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No investigator waits a whole year before investigating something, come on, you don't have to be a scientist to find this very odd.

They do when the person who holds the purse-strings denies them the funding and the permission to launch an investigation -- they did not "wait" to investigate; ex-President Trump made sure that they would be unable to find out the truth during his administration. Doing so would have discredited HIS narrative regarding the "Wuhan Flu".

That some people still believe to Trump's lies only shows how pernicious such lies can be.

You have an unusually strong need to defend 'the red state', no matter what the context.
Just an observation.

He sounds like a Tankie, aka a right winger who thinks he's a left winger.

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A tankie is anyone that defends authoritarian state-capitalist dictators and the atrocities they've committed and continue to commit.

The term was originally coined when the USSR sent Russian T54 tanks into Budapest, Hungary on the 4th of November 1956 to suppress a worker uprising. Factories had been taken over nationally by workers councils, in a demonstration of worker self-organization that was at odds with the Soviet's imperialist rule. The Soviet troops eventually suppressed the uprising and restored their rule. Then the USSR sent the tanks in to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968, and Afghanistan in 1979. A decade later, in 1989, tanks were similarly used by another state-capitalist regime to crush student dissidents in Tiananmen Square in China.

Anarchists use the word "tankie" to describe any supporter of authoritarian regimes that claim to be socialist. "Red fascist" is another popular term used in this context. The exception is Hitler's "national socialists", who are simply referred to as fascists. Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler initially represented himself as a socialist; realizing that appropriating socialism would be useful to gain popular support. Of course, his genocidal actions had nothing to do with establishing socialism, and his so-called "national socialist" ideology was just another form of collectivist-capitalism.

Not directed at Fnord.

But rad Leftists, at least were I live, fit the tankie description very well, they defend regimes like Russia's, Syria's, Iran's, former Cuba...etc; while are diehard against western democracies.

They occasionally defend some Islamist movements too (like the Pro Iran islamists), Islamo-Gauchisme is actually a word; look it up.

There's so much hypocrisy in the Left around the world.

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19 Feb 2021, 5:15 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

blackomen wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Fnord wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Fnord, He's asking common sense questions, not scientific questions...

... which he answers himself. This is typical of people who have their own agendas to advance.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

No investigator waits a whole year before investigating something, come on, you don't have to be a scientist to find this very odd.

You have an unusually strong need to defend 'the red state', no matter what the context.
Just an observation.

He sounds like a Tankie, aka a right winger who thinks he's a left winger.

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Not directed at Fnord.

But rad Leftists, at least were I live, fit the tankie description very well, they defend regimes like Russia's, Syria's, Iran's, former Cuba...etc; while are diehard against western democracies.

They occasionally defend some Islamist movements too (like the Pro Iran islamists), Islamo-Gauchisme is actually a word; look it up.

There's so much hypocrisy in the Left around the world.

The hell you say?

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19 Feb 2021, 11:15 pm

Fnord wrote:

If any of you sinophobes have the courage of your convictions, AND the evidence to back them up, then why are you arguing your cases where doing so does practically nothing except rile other people up?

In order to be classed as Sinophobes, this would require hatred\fear of the Chinese people, yet the discussion is around the actions\policies of the "People's Republic of China".

I don't imagine there are any people here who have a fear of "Chinese" people, or harbour a dislike of them, but there are quite a few who do take a negative view of certain actions by the government of the "People's Republic of China".

* Not everyone is happy to support a totalitarian government who will strip away rights from their citizens (Hong Kong, recently).
* Not everyone is happy with a government that ignores international laws (construction and inhabitation of island in the "south china sea", and sending fishing fleets into neighbouring country's territorial waters).
* Not everyone is hapy with a government which abuses the human rights of over a million citizens based on their religion (Uighur "re-education" camps).
* or, in this case, prevent international investigators having access for over a year to what was believed the originating location (The town, if not the lab itself) for a global pandemic, when earlier access may have been useful to help stop\minimise the damage the disease has caused globally, and where certain useful data\material has since been disposed of.

Given the nature of the style of government in question, it is apparent the people of the country have no say in the policies being pursued, so to equate a dislike of the government\policies with a hatred for the citizens of the country would appear to either:
* demonstrate the same "sinophobia" being berated, coupled with racial stereotyping required to believe all members of a given race think\act alike (“culturally there are different norms” in every country) should the policies be disagreed with
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* an ability to differentiate a government from it's citizens but using racial charged\emotive terminology to hide an agreement with the actions\policies being discussed.

Of course, this is seting aside the point that the "Republic of China" also consists of Chinese people, being the refuge of many Chinese people (and the then Chinese government) who escaped the mainland when the communist forces rose up and took control of the "aminland" portion of the country in the 1940's during the civil war there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War), and whose policies would be more likely to align with those of the people being falsely accused of being "sinophobes".

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20 Feb 2021, 3:48 am

Brictoria wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Absolutely.
There seems to have been some mischief in regard to misrepresenting people, lately.
I would even go so far as to speculate whether this is a deliberate tactic.

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22 Feb 2021, 8:17 am

Based on the most recent studies, it is possible that COVID-19 did not originate from Wuhan after all... and perhaps not even from China (Thailand is also a possibility):
https://www.natureasia.com/en/research/highlight/13594
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21240-1

But none of the identified equivalent viruses carried by bats so far demonstrate a genetic similarity with COVID-19 (>99 %) high enough to establish that the virus originated from them...

It does, however, significantly widen the area of potential origin of the virus to large portions of Southeast Asia.

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22 Feb 2021, 8:44 am

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I don't entirely discount the possibility that Covid could have been brought into China from outside. But the probability is extremely slim as you pointed out and probably even slimmer that it was brought in from, say the US or Italy as some Chinese propaganda likes to say (not to mention that not consistently blaming a single country really erodes at your credibility if you want to go down this route of hypothesizing that the virus didn't originate in China.)

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18 Mar 2021, 11:32 pm

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I am not surprised that red-state people with no medical background whatsoever will let YouTube do their thinking for them and deny the validity of reports by medical experts when those reports contradict their favorite mythological narratives (e.g., conspiracy theories).

What the guy did in this video is called critical thinking, don't dismiss it just because it's on youtube.

1- Why after 1 year?
2- Why only 3 hours in lab
3- Don't you find that the fact that Wuhan lab did studies on bat-coronaviruses is an odd coincidence?

I wonder how our resident sinophiles will treat these reports which appear to contradict their favorite mythological narratives (e.g., conspiracy theories)...

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The World Health Organisation’s conclusion about the likely origin of coronavirus was reached via a show of hands among the team of experts, many of whom work for the Chinese government – which had already ruled out the lab leak hypothesis – and have not been publicly identified by Beijing.

Fresh details of the WHO team’s four-week joint study in Wuhan, which concluded last month that it was “extremely unlikely” the virus came from a lab, have been revealed in a Wall Street Journal investigation published on Wednesday.

The lengthy article highlights the extent of the control Chinese authorities exerted over the WHO investigation, including securing veto rights over participants, and calls into question the reliability of the team’s findings ahead of their final report expected to be published next week.

The Wall Street Journal story – which reconstructs how the probe unfolded based on interviews with members of the international team, WHO staff, government officials, diplomats and scientists – paints a picture of a highly compromised investigation, carefully stage-managed by the Chinese Communist Party.

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Members of the international 13-strong WHO delegation told the paper that it became clear their Chinese counterparts would only be sharing their analysis, and not their raw data.

The Chinese experts said they had analysed 76,000 medical records from Wuhan, where the virus first emerged in late 2019, pinpointing 92 hospitalised patients from October, November and December 2019 whose symptoms suggested they may have had COVID-19.

But China said it had retested those patients for COVID-19 antibodies, and all came up negative.

The international team were reportedly perplexed at the small number, given the virus’ primary symptoms of fever and persistent cough were common enough that vastly more potential cases – somewhere in the order of 1000 – should have been identified and tested in a province of nearly 60 million people.

They also did not understand why China had waited until a few weeks before the international team arrived to test the patients for antibodies, when they may have faded to undetectable levels.

When they asked for the raw, anonymised data, China refused.

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US EXPERT ‘CONFLICTED’

The story reveals that none of the three experts the US government recommended to the WHO for inclusion on the team even received a phone call.

Instead, the only US representation was Dr Peter Daszak, an expert in animal-to-human virus transmission whose work with a New York-based non-profit had raised concerns among US officials and scientists about a potential conflict of interest.

Dr Daszak is the president of EcoHealth Alliance, which has in the past provided funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology – the controversial lab pinpointed by the Trump administration as the likely source of the outbreak.

Prior to joining the WHO team, Dr Daszak had publicly dismissed the possibility as a “conspiracy” theory.

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Since leaving China, however, some members of the team have clarified that they lacked the access, authority or expertise – such as would be required in weapons or biowarfare inspections – to conduct a thorough investigation into the lab leak theory.

“We didn’t see the actual data there,” Australian microbiologist Dr Dominic Dwyer told The Wall Street Journal.

Source: https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/whos-covid19-probe-designed-to-bolster-chinas-narrative-conclusion-reached-via-show-of-hands/news-story/4bd4d31b0c5bc00bd59241849e25d5de

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