Actor Alec Baldwin shoots 2 people, killing one of them.

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22 Oct 2021, 1:37 am

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Now to sit back and wait for Fox to equate the deaths with Baldwin's left wing politics.

You're doing a good enough job there yourself...

Most of the commentators on the right who I have seen have merely been reacting to Mr Baldwin in an equivalent manner\attitude to that which he had taken towards others - no need for them to bring political alignment into it when his own prior words\attitudes\personality are more than adequate.

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22 Oct 2021, 3:49 am

Brictoria wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Now to sit back and wait for Fox to equate the deaths with Baldwin's left wing politics.

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Again, I said Fox, as in Fox news.

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22 Oct 2021, 4:07 am

So, we're supposed to react to an imaginary hypothetical FOX reaction?

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22 Oct 2021, 4:13 am

One thing I don't get: why was a stage prop gun loaded with real ammo?

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22 Oct 2021, 4:34 am

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One thing I don't get: why was a stage prop gun loaded with real ammo?

I think it unlikely that it was an actual bullet. More likely is something came loose inside and was blown out the barrel when it was fired. I read somewhere that they use double charges in blanks for photogenic purposes...if there was a fault with that prop gun this extra force could've caused the accident.

We'll know more when the projectile is retrieved.

My thoughts are with the family of the victim. Tragic.

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22 Oct 2021, 4:59 am

Yes, tragic
I wonder how it will influence future safety norms.

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22 Oct 2021, 5:09 am

Quite honestly I don't see why they need something that can fire a blank. With CGI you can not only add the muzzle flash but also the 'kick' and the spent shell being ejected plus the noise.

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22 Oct 2021, 11:04 am

It appears that the director's injuries were not too serious:

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Souza’s reps confirmed to Deadline on Friday morning that the 48-year-old filmmaker was released from Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center in Santa Fe.

A distraught Baldwin repeatedly asked why he was given a “hot gun” — a firearm with live ammunition — after his prop weapon discharged on his New Mexico film set Thursday at Bonanza Creek Ranch in Sante Fe.

“In all my years, I’ve never been handed a hot gun,” the actor allegedly kept saying, an eyewitness told Hollywood gossip site Showbiz 411.

The film set was sent into lockdown and production was halted immediately after the accidental double shooting, which unfolded at about 2 p.m. Thursday.

Source: https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/prop-gun-used-by-alec-baldwin-in-shooting-contained-live-round-union/

Another Baldwin had an interesting view of Alec Baldwin's words:

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"In all my years, I’ve never been handed a hot gun…"

If he really said that, then how would he know unless he'd inspected every gun he's ever been handed?

Which would raise the obvious follow up: Why neglect to inspect *this* gun before aiming it at people?

Source: https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1451572402215735299

However, if what was being filmed required a camera to record the actions of a revolver where the rounds are externally visible, then the shells loaded would have had to appear "real", whereas it is possible all other times the guns used did not have this "feature" and so ammunition which was visibly different would have been used. If so, then in this case, he would have to rely on his experience with firearms and live rounds to be able to tell the difference, and it appears he hadn't done much in this line to educate himself on the subject...

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22 Oct 2021, 12:14 pm

Very sad.

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22 Oct 2021, 12:15 pm

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So, we're supposed to react to an imaginary hypothetical FOX reaction?

Somebody always feels like they have to stir the pot.

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22 Oct 2021, 12:25 pm

Why do tragedies like this happen? You'd think that in a major movie production, there'd be endless safeguards in place to keep it from happening.

Terrible!

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22 Oct 2021, 12:29 pm

This reminds me of some actor that got killed on set during a shooting because someone replaced blank bullets with real ones so when the other actor shot it, it was supposed to only make a sound but real bullets came out and hit the actor and everyone thought he was acting until he wasn't responding and they realized he had actually been shot. I forget what the actor's name was that died on set but this was the 1970s.

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22 Oct 2021, 5:26 pm

Dox47 wrote:

So, we're supposed to react to an imaginary hypothetical FOX reaction?

Uh... no. I'm suggesting that Fox, going by their record, may get around to just that. I'm not suggesting Fox be attacked out of the blue, in the meantime, for something they haven't done yet.
I was certainly right about Fox's Tucker Carlson claiming Colin Powell's death was the result of the impotency of the Covid Vaccine. I'm still willing to bet Fox will take the low road, again.

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22 Oct 2021, 5:32 pm

Two words came to mind first few seconds i heard this story on tv: Brandon Lee.

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22 Oct 2021, 6:50 pm

Replacement Non- union worker was in charge of the prop gun.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com ... p-gun/amp/

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22 Oct 2021, 7:41 pm

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Replacement Non- union worker was in charge of the prop gun.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com ... p-gun/amp/

Hmm, seems to confirm my theory about a revolver and the frontal shot, though I'm confused by their use of the term "misfire", as that typically refers to a malfunction of the firearm, and not an inadvertent discharge as seems to have happened here. The pictures show a single action revolver, and those typically have very light trigger pulls to begin with, so perhaps they're referring to other people prematurely firing them on the set? Regardless, none of that should have mattered if they'd kept live ammo off the set.

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