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28 Jul 2023, 2:20 pm

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28 Jul 2023, 9:49 pm

I am all in favour of scrutinising Loeb's claims but I would rather the critics scrutinise the spherules themselves rather than postulate/speculate the origin of the meteor and conflate this with the Fermi paradox which is a false flag argument



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28 Jul 2023, 9:52 pm

Grusch talks about an inter-dimensional origin of the aliens to congress


Who would have thought the US congress would be listening to stuff like this in 2023 :lol:

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29 Jul 2023, 12:21 am

 

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29 Jul 2023, 3:38 am

cyberdad wrote:
Grusch talks about an inter-dimensional origin of the aliens to congress


Who would have thought the US congress would be listening to stuff like this in 2023 :lol:

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I'm less alarmed about alien tech than I am the state of congress! :alien:



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30 Jul 2023, 8:49 pm

Congress have no choice but to listen.

The best case scenario is that objects being observed (and I'm afraid these objects do exist regardless of Fnord's ridicule) are actually US made. But until that is verified then the military have no choice but accept that objects that can run rings around nuclear powered ships and power plants represent a national security threat by a foreign power.

The procedure being followed by congress is perfectly legitimate in the name of national security.



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30 Jul 2023, 8:52 pm

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As mentioned if/when this comes to pass they are alien do you have a speech stashed away on "how you knew all along but waited for the evidence to come out"?



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30 Jul 2023, 9:44 pm

I was at least glad that Rep Burlison asked a good question, 1:36:55, regarding extradimensional hypothesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgoul4vyDM

What I think is persuasive against the terrestrial technology case is that if these were actually drones made by either US secret projects or other countries - you would see similar technologies in the overall military, energy, and economic sectors. We see no precursory tech.

So....

Either we are getting psy-opped in some new desperate attempt to impose order while we go through fiat currency and debt crisis, or we're backed up against extraterrestrial vs. extradimensional hypothesis.

It's the behavior of these phenomena and how strangely they're out of line with not only projection of power but out of line with any coherent motive, that suggests the higher likelihood that - again if any of this is actually real - it's far more likely holographic universe / shadow biome type stuff, ie. extradimensional in the broader sense.

The best counter-argument in favor of extraterrestrial hypothesis might be that we're a kind of outpost for a particular species, they're at war with other species, and so it's them having a presence for their own purposes that has no correlation to any desire to either have commerce or dominating us. That's a lot of subtext but it's about the only thing that would explain passive long-term presence. It's the kinds of crashes that makes this seem dubious and I'd agree with Burlison's framing that the idea that something with this level of technology wouldn't have some form of superior AI that would prevent crashes just doesn't add up.


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31 Jul 2023, 3:51 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
It's the behavior of these phenomena and how strangely they're out of line with not only projection of power but out of line with any coherent motive, that suggests the higher likelihood that - again if any of this is actually real - it's far more likely holographic universe / shadow biome type stuff, ie. extradimensional in the broader sense..


The UAPs I used to witness as a kid outside my home over the ocean had many of the characteristics of the UAPs being claimed in the eye witness testimony in congress right now

High acceleration
ability to stop and turn on a dime
incredible g forces
endogenous energy source (glowing)

One interesting thing I distinctly remember is they were 100% under intelligent control, they chased each other like they were playing. It was like they were operated by puppies.

In the darkness their endogenous light source reflected over the ocean, I could distinctly see their reflection on the ocean surface. They were real objects.



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31 Jul 2023, 3:54 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
so it's them having a presence for their own purposes that has no correlation to any desire to either have commerce or dominating us.


I think that's self-evident. best case scenario is they are benevolent caretakers tending to us like patient gardners tending to their petunias



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02 Aug 2023, 3:08 am

Just to remind some of who Avi Loeb is

1. Longest serving head of astronomy in Harvard
2. Published 800 scholarly works > any other academic in his discipline
2. In June 2020, Loeb was sworn in as a member of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology (PCAST) at the White House.
3. Ranked in the top 25 academics in the USA



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02 Aug 2023, 7:32 am

Guys, guys, guys (of either gender!), you've fallen into a common trap. I fell into the trap too, despite previously promising myself that I'd make an effort to never fall into it again.

The trap is to think that a neurotypical person believes X because he/she says "I believe X" or "My opinion is X".

Quite often, NT people don't believe X despite insisting again and again that they believe X. This behavior is incredible, but keep an eye out for it, and you'll notice it happens surprisingly often.

So what happens is that a ND person gets stuck in a long pointless debate or argument with a NT person, and the ND person thinks that the NT person's opinion is X because that's what the NT person says, but in reality, an NT's true opinion is often different to what he/she says it is.

This happens because social status/ranking is incredibly important in the minds of NT people. Therefore when an NT realizes that he/she made a mistake, he/she changes his opinion but keeps this secret. The NT continues to talk as if he/she hasn't changed his/her opinion, because in the NT mind, changing your opinion (or admitting to a mistake) means your social ranking will drop, and the social ranking is more important than anything else in the world (according to NT's).

For that reason, NT's continue to insist that their opinion is X even when it's not their opinion anymore. Therefore, ND people can help themselves by trying to learn and remember that it's a total waste of time and energy to debate anything with an NT.



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02 Aug 2023, 7:51 am

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For that reason, NT's continue to insist that their opinion is X even when it's not their opinion anymore. Therefore, ND people can help themselves by trying to learn and remember that it's a total waste of time and energy to debate anything with an NT.

I agree with most if not all of the above but - what's the context in relation to the thread? Are you emphasizing that with regard to the military whistle blowers, congress, or debaters here?


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02 Aug 2023, 8:05 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Are you emphasizing that with regard to the military whistle blowers, congress, or debaters here?

Maybe all of them! :D I can't answer your question. It's for you to decide by yourself which people it applies to. Before I would name any specific whistleblower etc, I would have to research him/her a lot and try to figure out the correct answer, but that's too much work.



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03 Aug 2023, 3:53 am

Rotter wrote:
Therefore, ND people can help themselves by trying to learn and remember that it's a total waste of time and energy to debate anything with an NT.


How is debating an NT different from debating an ND?



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03 Aug 2023, 3:57 am

Rotter wrote:
So what happens is that a ND person gets stuck in a long pointless debate or argument with a NT person, and the ND person thinks that the NT person's opinion is X because that's what the NT person says, but in reality, an NT's true opinion is often different to what he/she says it is.

This happens because social status/ranking is incredibly important in the minds of NT people. Therefore when an NT realizes that he/she made a mistake, he/she changes his opinion but keeps this secret. The NT continues to talk as if he/she hasn't changed his/her opinion, because in the NT mind, changing your opinion (or admitting to a mistake) means your social ranking will drop, and the social ranking is more important than anything else in the world (according to NT's).


I mean there some element of truth to these observations but....here's the thing

1. Some people on this forum bag NTs and claim things like you have but then do exactly the same thing as the NTs they deride
2. Some people on this forum say avoid NTs but they then return to their own life where 99.9% of the friends, family and co-workers they interact with are NTs.
3. The purpose of this thread is to intertwine lived experience, empirical observation and official reports. Opinion is not relevant here