Ke$ha is told she's under contractual obligations

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25 Sep 2015, 2:16 pm

...to continue recording music under a producer who sexually abused her. This is just sickening. It's absolutely indefensible. What kind of country do we live in, where a rapist can just countersue his victim and ruin her career?

http://www.themarysue.com/kesha-dr-luke-career/

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25 Sep 2015, 11:22 pm

I believe you forgot the word 'allegedly' in there.

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26 Sep 2015, 9:42 am

What kind of person signs a contract forbidding them from singing without permission?

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27 Sep 2015, 1:18 pm

Dox47 wrote:

I believe you forgot the word 'allegedly' in there.

Ke$ha says she was sexually abused, and I believe her. You might not believe her, but I do. I'm going to respect Ke$ha's story and not water it down with weasel words.

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27 Sep 2015, 5:18 pm

So she's contractually obligated to the man who sexually molested her.

What are you going to DO about it?

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27 Sep 2015, 5:25 pm

I think she'll find better reasons to make music. Private interests have no legitimate claim to creativity in others.

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27 Sep 2015, 5:29 pm

She needs better lawyers.

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27 Sep 2015, 5:38 pm

Barchan wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

I believe you forgot the word 'allegedly' in there.

Ke$ha says she was sexually abused, and I believe her. You might not believe her, but I do. I'm going to respect Ke$ha's story and not water it down with weasel words.

Allegedly is not a weasel word. Are you going to offer the same respect to her producer, and not water down his story?

It's posts like this that make me dread ever having to face 12 people selected at random.

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27 Sep 2015, 6:13 pm

Come to think of it ... what evidence is there that the producer sexually molested her?

Belief proves nothing, neither do suspicion, accusation, emotionalism, or popularity of the alleged victim

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27 Sep 2015, 10:31 pm

Magneto wrote:

Are you going to offer the same respect to her producer, and not water down his story?

Let me think about it... mmm, nah.

"Alleged" is just a polite way of calling someone a liar. It's the written equivalent of a raised eyebrow.

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It's posts like this that make me dread ever having to face 12 people selected at random.

Do you really think being the defendant in a criminal trial is comparable to being a victim of crime? Do you think being judged by a panel of jurors is equivalent to being raped by your employer? Your fears do not trump hers.

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Private interests have no legitimate claim to creativity in others.

I agree. Aside from the sexual abuse, I think this really just shows the problem with America's corporate culture. Nobody should be able to just buy someone's basic human rights and freedom of expression. This is essentially slavery.

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So she's contractually obligated to the man who sexually molested her. What are you going to DO about it?

Do you want to rephrase that? Because it kind of sounds like you're gloating.

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28 Sep 2015, 3:21 am

Barchan wrote:

Magneto wrote:

Are you going to offer the same respect to her producer, and not water down his story?

Let me think about it... mmm, nah.

"Alleged" is just a polite way of calling someone a liar. It's the written equivalent of a raised eyebrow.

Not exactly; it's just stating that there is no conclusive evidence yet: it's her word against his and, regardless of her popularity, "alleged" is a fair word to use, at least untill a judge has had his final say

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It's posts like this that make me dread ever having to face 12 people selected at random.

Do you really think being the defendant in a criminal trial is comparable to being a victim of crime?

Yes, it is.
If someone would accuse me of sexual assault, which i did not commit, and those 12 jurors think like you, i'd be convicted of a crime i didn't commit: making me the victim

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Do you think being judged by a panel of jurors is equivalent to being raped by your employer? Your fears do not trump hers.

i think noone thinks this, but then again: the assault is still only suspected; rape isn't even certain (sexual assault =/= rape, although the reverse does)

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Private interests have no legitimate claim to creativity in others.

well, Key$ha did voluntarily sign a contract; making it valid.
Indeed, noone should be able to "just buy" these rights, but everyone is allowed to sell their own, which is basically what happened

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28 Sep 2015, 6:23 am

Barchan wrote:

Fnord wrote:

So she's contractually obligated to the man who sexually molested her. What are you going to DO about it?

Do you want to rephrase that? Because it kind of sounds like you're gloating.

Not changing anything. I really want to know what people intend to DO about something that THEY seem to gloating over.

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28 Sep 2015, 6:27 am

what you must do these days to attract attention :roll:

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28 Sep 2015, 6:34 am

traven wrote:

what you must do these days to attract attention.

I usually just yawn in church. Although buying a round of drinks is also an effective attention-getter.

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28 Sep 2015, 10:41 am

izzeme wrote:

If someone would accuse me of sexual assault, which i did not commit, and those 12 jurors think like you, i'd be convicted of a crime i didn't commit: making me the victim

Being convicted of a crime is not comparable to being raped. Quit beating this tired-old false equivalence.

izzeme wrote:

well, Key$ha did voluntarily sign a contract; making it valid.

There's no contract in the world that can entitle someone to rape. I seriously hope you're not trying to rationalize what happened.

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what you must do these days to attract attention :roll:

Disgustingly sexist comment. You think women like the attention they get for filing rape charges? Of having their sexual history scrutinized, and having people comment on what they were wearing or how many drinks they had, because it just has to be framed as their fault somehow? I don't know a single woman who would enjoy that kind of attention, and neither do you. You must have zero empathy.

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28 Sep 2015, 11:07 am

If their is no evidence then Kesha will probably pay a monetary sum to break this contract. Accusations don't nullify contracts.

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