400,000 more children are uninsured since Trump took office

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03 Nov 2019, 5:16 pm

The way Trump has been gutting the ACA to benefit his rich donors makes it to where more and more children are losing their health insurance:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/30/politics ... index.html


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03 Nov 2019, 7:47 pm

Putting aside Trump's political motivations for repealing the affordable care act; the current decline in health cover is actually going to be a public health disaster which will impact those families who are insured as well.

The general principle is that health insurance is vital for children, particularly young children. They need immunizations and developmental screenings, as well as routine and preventative care. There will be a corresponding spike in preventable disease over the next couple of years and communicable diseases and exposure of children to mumps and chicken pox in childcare.

This is a taste of the dystopian future that hardcore conservatives are willing to allow to rake back public funds and reduce government services.



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04 Nov 2019, 1:20 pm

cyberdad wrote:
This is a taste of the dystopian future that hardcore conservatives are willing to allow to rake back public funds and reduce government services.

The burden is on the parents to take care of their kids.

This article fails to mention the money saved by not getting health insurance, and all the good that money did for the family.


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04 Nov 2019, 6:35 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
This is a taste of the dystopian future that hardcore conservatives are willing to allow to rake back public funds and reduce government services.

The burden is on the parents to take care of their kids.

This article fails to mention the money saved by not getting health insurance, and all the good that money did for the family.


Doesn't take into account how difficult it is to save when your income can barely cover living expenses. That is a reality for the working poor.

Of course GOP ideaologues like Ben Shapiro think it's so easy to move out of poverty you have to do 3 things. 1. graduate high school. 2. get a job. 3. don't have kinds until you are married. If you do those 3 things you will not stay in poverty 99.8% of the time.

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04 Nov 2019, 6:40 pm

If a kid gets sick in the United States----that's something that's bound to happen----and there's no health insurance----it can cost a pretty penny, indeed.....



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04 Nov 2019, 6:48 pm

I think it was Gandhi who said how advanced a country is can be tested by how they treat their animals. We all don't want animals to suffer unnecessarily.

Taking money from Public health is likewise turning a blind eye to the inevitable repurcussions for children suffering.



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04 Nov 2019, 7:37 pm

So there was 3.6 million under Obama? Seems like these increases would have happened anyway under the unaffordable healthcare act.


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04 Nov 2019, 9:37 pm

cyberdad wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
This is a taste of the dystopian future that hardcore conservatives are willing to allow to rake back public funds and reduce government services.

The burden is on the parents to take care of their kids.

This article fails to mention the money saved by not getting health insurance, and all the good that money did for the family.


Doesn't take into account how difficult it is to save when your income can barely cover living expenses. That is a reality for the working poor.

Of course GOP ideaologues like Ben Shapiro think it's so easy to move out of poverty you have to do 3 things. 1. graduate high school. 2. get a job. 3. don't have kinds until you are married. If you do those 3 things you will not stay in poverty 99.8% of the time.

:lol:

Poor people get free health care.

So, these kids likely, mostly belong to parents who choose to spend their money on something else.


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04 Nov 2019, 9:42 pm

There are poor-to-working class people who fall in the "bubble"---between being eligible for Medicaid and being able to pay for their own health care without insurance. The "bubble" is larger in some states (especially Southern states), smaller in others.

Massachusetts is an example of a state where most people have some sort of health insurance. The "bubble" is much less there.



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04 Nov 2019, 9:47 pm

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There are poor-to-working class people who fall in the "bubble"---between being eligible for Medicaid and being able to pay for their own health care without insurance. The "bubble" is larger in some states (especially Southern states), smaller in others.

Massachusetts is an example of a state where most people have some sort of health insurance. The "bubble" is much less there.

They can get free ACA or nearly free (subsidized ACA)

For example, a family with 1 children can make $45,180 ($20, 780 + $24,400) and still get FREE ACA health care.

https://www.financialsamurai.com/subsid ... obamacare/


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04 Nov 2019, 9:48 pm

Try doing that in Alabama.....



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04 Nov 2019, 9:51 pm

A family of three (one child) can make up to $107, 520 and get subsidized health care because they're "poor".

If this family did the full $12,000 IRA standard deduction .. they can still make $119,520, and be "poor" enough to get subsidized health care.


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04 Nov 2019, 10:06 pm

In New York State, one can make about 4 times the Federal Poverty Level....and get (very slight) subsidies.

They get “tax credits” for health care at that income level. They don’t get any help in paying for health care.

In order to get real help, they must make 166% of the FPL or less.

It’s worse in other states.

This is gross income....not “taxable income.”



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04 Nov 2019, 10:19 pm

There’s a real bubble when a family of four makes like $60,000 to $80,000 a year.



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04 Nov 2019, 10:30 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
In New York State, one can make about 4 times the Federal Poverty Level....and get (very slight) subsidies.

They get “tax credits” for health care at that income level. They don’t get any help in paying for health care.

In order to get real help, they must make 166% of the FPL or less.

It’s worse in other states.

This is not the full picture.

That is based on your MAGI (modified adjusted gross income), which has a -$24,400 adjustment from the standard deduction.

So, a family of four (two children) can make $24,400 + $23,000 = $47,400 and still get 100% FREE HEALTH CARE.


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04 Nov 2019, 10:40 pm

Children get more low-cost health care than adults in NY State.

The income levels for paying only $180 per month total for all your children are actually fairly high...about $120,000 for a family of 5.