Seattle area claims for be independent from USA.

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11 Jun 2020, 11:50 pm

So they’ve succeeded from the USA and taken up arms against the USA.

What’s that make them?

I feel sorry for a whole been caught up in it. I’d be terrified if a group of people did this in my area and walked around with guns threatening people


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12 Jun 2020, 12:43 am

That makes them rather patriotic by many definitions.

But you're OK with cops using deadly force without provocation?


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12 Jun 2020, 12:56 am

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What’s that make them?

Libertarians? Liberty/Patriot groups?

They realize government is bad and freedom is good.

They realize guns rights are important, because you cannot rely on the police.


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12 Jun 2020, 1:06 am

cberg wrote:
That makes them rather patriotic by many definitions.

But you're OK with cops using deadly force without provocation?


Where did Sly say that? I've never seen him advocate for deadly force, from either side.


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12 Jun 2020, 1:25 am

sly279 wrote:
I’d be terrified if a group of people did this in my area and walked around with guns threatening people


What you've just described is the reason why they forced out the police in the first place. The police just pushed them to the point that they hate the police more than they fear them.

As has been pointed out, isn't this a better alternative to police? Instead of having the government threaten citizens with violence for violating the law, communities and individuals have taken the initiative for the good of their community without resorting to the militarized methods of the police.
I would ask a conservative/libertarian what they believe should be done in the absence of government law-enforcement. Given our shared distrust for government, wouldn't you agree that everyday citizens acting as volunteers in their communities could do better than government subsidized guys with guns?


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12 Jun 2020, 1:34 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
cberg wrote:
That makes them rather patriotic by many definitions.

But you're OK with cops using deadly force without provocation?


Where did Sly say that? I've never seen him advocate for deadly force, from either side.


It's more a matter of totally ignoring it from one side.


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12 Jun 2020, 2:06 am

sly279 wrote:
So they’ve succeeded from the USA and taken up arms against the USA.

What’s that make them?

I feel sorry for a whole been caught up in it. I’d be terrified if a group of people did this in my area and walked around with guns threatening people


A militia.

And isn’t that exactly what you preach as being perfectly acceptable - militias walking around with guns threatening people ?

As for Seattle, news reports indicate it’s a super peaceful protest & area. Sounds like Seattle is just letting them do their protest thing and waiting until they get bored and go home.


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12 Jun 2020, 2:55 am

So when the south did it they traitors according to the left but when leftist doe it its fine.
So could say eastern Washington leave the nation and delacre themself independent?

I’m Justin trying to figure out the confusing hypocrisy of people on the left.
The right for all the good and bad seems to be pretty straight forward, they hate poor people and don’t try to hide it.

But I constantly see “it’s bad when they do it but ok when we do it” from people who call themselves left leaning.

Is it or isn’t it ok for people, cities, counties or states or leave the United States of American and be independent?
Finding this ok seems to give credit to soviets citizens or other communities who wish to leave the USA. But they always told they can’t.
If this is ok then couldn’t people just declare their homes independent nations, no democrat leaders would send the police to arrest them. So why aren’t they arresting these people who on top of doing that are also holding people hostage and extorting others.

Under the current understanding of law by sumpreme court people can not declare themselves independent nations, they could give up us citizenship but are forced to then leave the nation.
As far as I can see what they are doing is illegal on so many levels.
Yet it’s ok and accepted. I hightlu doubt it would be if any right leaning group did this.
A group protesting the government abuse and overreach took over a government building and were attacked and arrested. Universalllu condemned Ed and hated by democrats. Yet what they did isn’t any different then what these people are doing minuse the whol hostages and extorting which they didn’t do they simply occupied an empty government building.

What happens when an armed person refuses to give in to their armed checkpoints. I shouldn’t have show my id to cops randomly asking for it, why should some antifa with a gun be able to make me? They’ve imitated the very abuse they say they’re against.
Adding more to the confusion.

So is succession ok or not? Mind you if you support them in it you open the door to any right leaning or southern to do the same.
Big parts of Washington and Oregon want to separate. The governor of Washington needs to do something or face parts of their state leaving. Perhaps cascadia will become real.
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So if groups began taking over parts of cities or whole cities with armed people and raising the cascadia flag. Would you all supoort it or fall for the federal government to send troops in to stop the traitors?
If a bunch of magas took over your neighborhood and declared it independent nation of trump would you call for the police to remove them? Or would you support their freedom to do so?

How would any of you feel being searched by masked armed men to enter your neighborhood. Having them demand you donate to the community fund?
All sounds terrifying to me. I personally wouldn’t stand for it or support it.
And it won’t last. Sooner or later the government will have to do something to restore law and order. Or their tiny economy will collaspe.
Mean why should businesses deliver to an independent nation at war with the United States. I read in news they already ran out of food. City should cut off power and water to the area. Independent nations don’t get the USA power and water.


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12 Jun 2020, 3:18 am

The LARPolution marches on. They've had their little zone for three days or so now, and apparently they're already out of food (because some homeless people stole it) and a group of guys with guns walked in and declared themselves the new law and is extorting local businessess for what definitely isn't protection money.

These are the most burgeoise and ineffectual "revolutionaries" ever.


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12 Jun 2020, 3:27 am

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The LARPolution marches on. They've had their little zone for three days or so now, and apparently they're already out of food (because some homeless people stole it) and a group of guys with guns walked in and declared themselves the new law and is extorting local businessess for what definitely isn't protection money.

These are the most burgeoise and ineffectual "revolutionaries" ever.

My understanding is most aren’t even from that area.
So it’d be like if the proud boys marched into New York City, took over a area of it and declared it independent from the USA.
Course we all know the democrat government would send the police in to take it back.
They certainly wouldn’t allow them to control it for days and extort the locals.

I just found out about this craziness today.


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12 Jun 2020, 3:30 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
cberg wrote:
That makes them rather patriotic by many definitions.

But you're OK with cops using deadly force without provocation?


Where did Sly say that? I've never seen him advocate for deadly force, from either side.

Cberg hates me cause I don’t vote for his side.
He’d rather hate me for the things we disagree about rather then be kind and consider all we have in common. It’s not the first time he’s attacked me in last few days.
It doesn’t matter that I’m against the corrupt and a save police system and want reform. It doesn’t matter I totally think Floyd was murdered. I’m not lock step in line with his side, so I deserve to be attacked and bullied.

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12 Jun 2020, 4:54 am

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sly279 wrote:
What’s that make them?
They realize government is bad and freedom is good.

They realize guns rights are important, because you cannot rely on the police.


American Democrats: borders are bad, guns are bad, government is bad, police are bad.

Also American Democrats: we've bordered off a piece of Seattle that were defending with our guns. Were the police and government here now! Also please send vegan food!


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12 Jun 2020, 8:21 am

You can steal, kill and rape with impunity in the area that used to be covered by that police station.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53017776

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Ms Best said call response times in the area served by East Precinct are normally between 5-18 minutes, but are now taking almost an hour, reports local Komo News.

She said this means police are not able to respond to reports of assaults, rapes and robberies.



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12 Jun 2020, 8:40 am

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What's that make them? ...
Targets of ridicule.  Nothing more.


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12 Jun 2020, 8:52 am

I'm not sure exactly what this post is about,reports that Antifa control's 6 blocks in Seattle have been debunked.Not that I am defending Antifa but I believe reports they took control of 6 blocks in Seattle are false.

Is there something else going on there I don't know about.


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12 Jun 2020, 8:54 am

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... Is there something else going on there I don't know about.
More than you could ever imagine.


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