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25 Jul 2020, 8:43 pm

Seattle police declare riot after crowds injure officers, cause 'explosive' damage to Capitol Hill precinct

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Police declared a riot Saturday afternoon after another day of peaceful protest was hijacked by looters who injured police officers, lit "explosive" fires and caused widespread damage in the city's Capitol Hill neighborhood.

Up to 1,000 protesters gathered about 2 p.m. Saturday for a peaceful march in solidarity with unrest and violent demonstrations in Portland. By 4 p.m., crowds had broken away from the protest, setting fires to construction trailers at the Juvenile Detention Center and attacking camera crews.

One officer was hospitalized with a leg injury caused by an explosive. Two other officers were treated and returned to duty, Seattle Police said on Twitter.

As of 6 p.m., 16 people had been arrested for assault on officers, obstruction and failure to disperse.

Police reported multiple explosions in the area and multiple fires, including one inside the East Precinct, where rioters breached a security fence to vandalize the building. Police are investigating "possible explosive damage" to the walls of the East Precinct and more explosives being thrown at police.

A Starbucks on 12th was destroyed.

This is the third day this week rioters have targeted businesses and government buildings and the second day this week that officers have been hurt. On Sunday, 12 SPD officers were injured and one was sent to the hospital with a neck burn after being hit with fireworks.

Police are able to use pepper spray and blast balls to disperse the crowd after a federal judge intervened Friday night and blocked a Seattle City Council ordinance banning police from using them.

Federal agents have also been deployed to Seattle to protect federal buildings. It's unclear if their role has changed since the riot was declared.


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25 Jul 2020, 8:49 pm

What are they rioting about?



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25 Jul 2020, 9:20 pm

If we all just came back down to earth, and got together , in a grass blade time , the time for a grass blade to grow , then this life could be far simpler than we make it out to be ,
life could be beautiful for everyone , we all take things for granted on this planet and end up making life sh*t ,
we watch TV and what's going on in the world,
man o man, sometimes seems like just a production of its own eating away at itself and an elitists experiment . Saying this could be a bannable offence , but I really believe
we should all be going back to the wilderness , let nature redeem our souls , back to the roots of creation , start life over in the wilderness, live life with the animals ,
mother earth will look after us if we look after her , theres nothing more pleasant than listening to nature in motion in the wilderness , the crickets humming ,
the woodpecker pecking at a tree in the morning , the wind blowing through trees , a river flowing , the sun setting and the moon rising , build ti-pis out of wood and mud, let the children experience the beauty of nature, not the horse s**t we got going on now, let mother earth slowly grow over the houses , eventually through the years,
mother earth will begin to sprout trees over the houses, vines,
and theres be less reason to riot if everyone was just lazing in the glade , its good health too , psychologically and physically , theres got to be a way to purify mans soul , there is no political or confrontatiory solution , we are spiritually entities in a body, within a constantly expanding universe ,
mother earth can survive without us, she is far more intelligent and self-sufficient than human creation .

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25 Jul 2020, 9:27 pm

These are the most prolonged riots in history,when will this ever stop


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25 Jul 2020, 9:31 pm

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These are the most prolonged riots in history,when will this ever stop


Until the protesters get when they want.


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25 Jul 2020, 10:39 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
These are the most prolonged riots in history,when will this ever stop


Until the protesters get when they want.


Not sure if you intended to make the "protesters" sound like a bunch of whining children having a tantrum until they get what they want, but it does appear as though that is what is happening.



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25 Jul 2020, 11:37 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
These are the most prolonged riots in history,when will this ever stop


Until the protesters get when they want.


Not sure if you intended to make the "protesters" sound like a bunch of whining children having a tantrum until they get what they want, but it does appear as though that is what is happening.

The protesters are whining children.


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26 Jul 2020, 12:01 am

Oh BLM again...

It seems it was a peaceful protest and the police went a bit berserk and overreacted


https://www.9news.com.au/national/us-ge ... 8ff375f2d7



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26 Jul 2020, 1:05 am

cyberdad wrote:
Oh BLM again...

It seems it was a peaceful protest and the police went a bit berserk and overreacted


https://www.9news.com.au/national/us-ge ... 8ff375f2d7


From the article:
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Federal law enforcement officials tell us that as long as the downtown federal building in Portland remains under threat, the infusion of federal agents will remain. The acting secretary of Homeland Security said this week that if those agents were to depart, the building would burn to the ground.
The Portland mayor told me that claim is ridiculous. He is blaming the very presence of federal agents as fuelling much of the outrage from demonstrators. The mayor said the Trump administration should do some introspection and reflect upon what role the influx of federal officers is having on his city.


Easy solution: Take protests AWAY from the federal building, Federal law enforcement then have no reason to be there and so leave...Simple.

However, BLM (as you identified them) seem unable to grasp this basic fact and continue to take actions designed to provoke Federal law enforcement such as throwing objects at buildings (much like other riots where buildings have been looted after breaking in windows to provide access) and setting fires with the apparent intent to burn the building down (not many other easons to be setting those fires). It's almost as though they WANT the Federal officers there?

A better option, maybe: Take the Mayor at his word and make the Mayor and city council (or the subset who want the Federal officers out of the area) personally responsible for the safety of the building(s) and so personally (not the city covering) liable for any damage done to them, then remove Federal officers?



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26 Jul 2020, 1:21 am

cyberdad wrote:
What are they rioting about?


Police Brutality.


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26 Jul 2020, 1:47 am

Brictoria wrote:
However, BLM (as you identified them) seem unable to grasp this basic fact and continue to take actions designed to provoke Federal law enforcement such as throwing objects at buildings (much like other riots where buildings have been looted after breaking in windows to provide access) and setting fires with the apparent intent to burn the building down (not many other easons to be setting those fires). It's almost as though they WANT the Federal officers there?

A better option, maybe: Take the Mayor at his word and make the Mayor and city council (or the subset who want the Federal officers out of the area) personally responsible for the safety of the building(s) and so personally (not the city covering) liable for any damage done to them, then remove Federal officers?


Yes it seems both sides are provoking the other. I am wondering if the feds are fed up with warning about mass gatherings being a vector for perpetuating the high numbers of infections? but then the building vandalism might also be a precipitating factor.

Interestingly portland Oregon was the area with the first riots occurred after Trump's victory in 2016. They have a history for rioting.



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26 Jul 2020, 2:49 am

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
However, BLM (as you identified them) seem unable to grasp this basic fact and continue to take actions designed to provoke Federal law enforcement such as throwing objects at buildings (much like other riots where buildings have been looted after breaking in windows to provide access) and setting fires with the apparent intent to burn the building down (not many other easons to be setting those fires). It's almost as though they WANT the Federal officers there?

A better option, maybe: Take the Mayor at his word and make the Mayor and city council (or the subset who want the Federal officers out of the area) personally responsible for the safety of the building(s) and so personally (not the city covering) liable for any damage done to them, then remove Federal officers?


Yes it seems both sides are provoking the other. I am wondering if the feds are fed up with warning about mass gatherings being a vector for perpetuating the high numbers of infections? but then the building vandalism might also be a precipitating factor.

Interestingly portland Oregon was the area with the first riots occurred after Trump's victory in 2016. They have a history for rioting.


Not sure how much "provoking" was done by one side, who did nothing until the other attacked their property...As I recall, the federal officers only arrived\went there, in order to protect federal property from damage which was already occurring to it by BLM "protestors".



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26 Jul 2020, 4:03 am

Brictoria wrote:
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Not sure how much "provoking" was done by one side, who did nothing until the other attacked their property...As I recall, the federal officers only arrived\went there, in order to protect federal property from damage which was already occurring to it by BLM "protestors".


My understanding is that Portland has a long history of protests for police reform. For example the recently retired police Captain Mark Kruger has a history of neo-Nazi beliefs.
https://bridgeliner.com/mark-kruger-cre ... nd-police/

Not a great role model for the rest of his subordinates.

The Feds did provoke the protestors using tear gas and grabbing random protestors into unmarked cars
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/p ... mayor.html



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26 Jul 2020, 5:44 am

vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
These are the most prolonged riots in history,when will this ever stop

Until the protesters get when they want.

Not sure if you intended to make the "protesters" sound like a bunch of whining children having a tantrum until they get what they want, but it does appear as though that is what is happening.

The protesters are whining children.

As a parent backed by some research, I can tell you what helps with whining children:
- Listening carefully to them, showing epathy and interest in their problems;
- Making clear boundaries and setting limits to their behaviors.
What makes whining children worse:
- Punishments, including verbal abuse, for the very fact of whining;
- Dismissing, ignoring, belittling and other forms of denial;
- Letting them do anything and get anything they want, including unreasonable demands and harming others.

Now, within the whining children model if you prefer it that way, can we discuss what the US society can do about BLM?


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26 Jul 2020, 7:21 am

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Now, within the whining children model if you prefer it that way, can we discuss what the US society can do about BLM?


Nobody wants to talk about that. "Taboo"



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26 Jul 2020, 9:03 am

At least 45 arrested after police declare riot at Seattle protests, several officers injured

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Seattle police declared a riot following large demonstrations in the city’s Capitol Hill neighborhood and arrested more than 40 people. Twenty-one officers were also hurt, and one had to be taken to the hospital for treatment.

Thousands of people gathered Saturday afternoon to march through Capitol Hill and protest police brutality and stand in solidarity with protests that have been happening nightly in Portland. The protest remained peaceful most of the afternoon until the group reached the King County Youth Service Center near 12th Avenue and Alder Street.

Seattle police said about a dozen people entered a construction site at the center and set fire to portable trailers and other equipment, and broke windows on personal vehicles in the area and court facilities.

The group continued to march toward the Seattle Police Department's East Precinct, damaging businesses along the way, including breaking nearly all the windows at the Starbucks on 12th Avenue and E Columbia Street.

Seattle police said several people emerged from the group and started spray-painting and trying to disable the security cameras at the East Precinct at 12th Avenue and East Pine Street. At least one person breached the fencing and threw an explosive device that left an eight-inch hole in the side of the precinct.

Police deployed OC spray, blast balls and pepper spray to try and get the crowd out of the area near where weeks earlier people had set up the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) zone that stretched several blocks. Police said they did not deploy CS (tear) gas.

Authorities said rocks, bottles and fireworks were thrown at officers. Twenty-one officers were injured by items thrown at them, and one had to be taken to the hospital for a knee injury, police said.

During the protests, there did not appear to be any federal agents that intervened. The federal agents arrived in Seattle Thursday evening and have been on standby to protect federal buildings in the city should it be necessary.


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vermontsavant wrote:
These are the most prolonged riots in history,when will this ever stop


Until the protesters get when they want.

They will just demand more. They would be dumb not to.

The left has found a flaw we have no solution for. The government does nothing and anarchy rules the streets. The government gives into demands and they will just demand and get more, literal mob rule. The government cracks down a gives the radicals hundreds of social media posts “proving” the country is evil to the core leading to more supporters, donations and bigger harder to control riots forcing another dammed if you do dammed if you don’t choice.


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