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dunno i think it might be a positive to make soldiers look bad when the war is unjust..... we make heroes out of them when they are doing something heroic etc? vietnam was going swimmingly for the powers that be until the public gained more of an insight into what was going on..

lowfreq...on hitler.....he was turned away from art school when he was younger by some jewish ppl(hence the bee in the bonnet)....so i guess letting him do his artwork prolly would have been the best solution...then he could have posted stuff on deviant art instead of killing ppl

on saddam...best thing to do would be to give him 2 options: either commit suicide or lead a welfare agency like red cross etc......if he has done all the bad he is accused of....then in his personal unconscious...there is a lot of 'good will' residing there to make up for it... this will only work if he is neurologically stable....but if heis not...he would choose suicide for he would know he wouldn't be capable of letting the unconscious compensatory 'good will' through to his conscious mind

(to check out this theory for urselves...go outside and pushover an old person etc...for the rest of the day u'll feel like going around helping them to make up for it (obviously i would advocate this as a 'thought' experiment eheh))

rofl

>>I hope you see the irony/hypocrasy in your criticisms.

no i am not seeing it man.....i am quite slow...please elaborate ..i guess according to jimmy i am still behaving like a mindless slut! (was that ur inference?)

i never called u a redneck tho if thats what u mean? i was referring to the site: www.outdoorlife.com in that other thread! As in a military article from a site like that....not really objective. Amusingly the current story says 'How Hunting Makes Better Soldiers' eheh!

u only linked that site...i would have no idea whether u fit a redneck description or not

apologies tho for the misunderstanding m8

[quote="Deutha"]dunno i think it might be a positive to make soldiers look bad when the war is unjust..... we make heroes out of them when they are doing something heroic etc? vietnam was going swimmingly for the powers that be until the public gained more of an insight into what was going on..

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If your saying we should make our very men who give their lives to protect us look bad just because in your opinion the war is unjust, please do the world a big favor and vacate it.

it's not just my opinion...a majority of the world....including if recent polls can be trusted...a majority of US citizens think the war is unjust.

how exactly are they protecting u by fighting a war for oil in iraq? Wouldn't that make people antagonistic towards the US?

You could rephrase it to....
If you're saying we should make our very men who give their lives to protect our oil interests look bad just because in most of the worlds opinion the war is unjust, please do the world a big favor and vacate it cos i like wars and blowing stuff up...and dominating people with less power...it's just like the ole cowboys n indians games we use to play...

in the words of ani defranco from the song 'Self Evident':
'so it's time to pick through the rubble, clean the streets and clear the air
get our government to pull its big dick out of the sand
of someone else's desert
put it back in its pants
and quit the hypocritical chants of
freedom forever'

rest of the lyrics here for those interested http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/ ... 840007A147

I support this man who IS a hero:

Marine seeking discharge sent to Iraq

PHILADELPHIA - A Marine from New Jersey was deployed to
Iraq this month despite being recommended for a military discharge by a hearing officer who agreed that he should receive conscientious objector status.
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Marine Lance Cpl. John Rogowskyj Jr., of Pennsauken, is one of a handful of conscientious objectors trying to get out of the military. He has taken his case to federal court in Washington, where he is pressing for an immediate separation.

"I believe that God has given man free will," he said in legal documents. "By surrendering my will to the military, I realize that I have willfully propagated violence."

Rogowskyj, now 22, joined the Marine Corps Reserve in 2002. He was ordered to active duty the next year and submitted a request for a conscientious objector discharge this year. He described himself as a religious humanist who does not belong to any organized religion.

"I see now that I must separate from the military with all due haste, or suffer without the forgiveness of grace, for defying the truth that I see plainly before me, that violence as a means or end cannot be tolerated," said Rogowskyj.

In October, a Marine captain who served as the hearing officer recommended that Rogowskyj be discharged. Then in June, a major said he could still serve noncombat duty. But Maj. Gen. D.V. Odell Jr., commander of the Fourth Marine Division ruled in August that Rogowskyj was "theologically confused and does not reflect any officially recognized faith group."

And on Nov. 2, he deployed to Iraq.

"He's not supposed to be there (Iraq)," his lawyer, Eugene R. Fidell, told The Philadelphia Inquirer for Friday's newspapers.

The military says the number of conscientious objectors in the military is minute — about .01 percent of the nearly 500,000-member Army and a similarly small proportion of the Marine Corps.

"The nation is at war and the vast, vast majority of our soldiers serve honorably in and out of combat," said Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty, an Army spokesman. "Those very few soldiers who are genuine conscientious objectors are either discharged or moved to a noncombatant position."

But J.E. McNeil, executive director of the nonprofit Center for Conscience and War in Washington, said Rogowskyj's request is not as unusual as the military would make it seem.

"They only count the C.O. applications when they are done," she said. "When somebody applies, it takes 18 months."

think aussie troops may be seeking a discharge soon to..

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20816990-2,00.html
Iraq a moral blunder: war hero

THE former SAS officer who devised and executed the Iraq war plan for Australia's special forces says that the nation's involvement has been a strategic and moral blunder.

Peter Tinley, who was decorated for his military service in Afghanistan and Iraq, has broken ranks to condemn the Howard Government over its handling of the war and has called for an immediate withdrawal of Australian troops.

"When I pressed them (US intelligence) for more specific imagery or information regarding locations or likely locations of WMD they confessed, off the record, that there had not been any tangible sighting of any WMD or WMD enabling equipment for some years," he said.