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17 Sep 2015, 11:36 pm

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That entire family should be deported. The kid should have bloody well known his device, however benign, would be trouble post 9/11/2001, had he studied recent history in school.


this is sarcasm, right?


I would sincerely hope so, this kid made a naive innocent mistake. It not like he's John Walker Lindh.



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17 Sep 2015, 11:38 pm

some are prone to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.



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17 Sep 2015, 11:40 pm

auntblabby wrote:
some are prone to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


Lose a lot of babies that way.


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17 Sep 2015, 11:59 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
some are prone to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


Lose a lot of babies that way.

AFAIC America is losing a lot more than babies.



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18 Sep 2015, 1:01 am

auntblabby wrote:
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auntblabby wrote:
some are prone to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


Lose a lot of babies that way.

AFAIC America is losing a lot more than babies.


Sadly so.


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18 Sep 2015, 1:46 am

cathylynn wrote:
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That entire family should be deported. The kid should have bloody well known his device, however benign, would be trouble post 9/11/2001, had he studied recent history in school.


this is sarcasm, right?


No, but a couple points: 1. I'm having panic attacks again, due to financial issues and a jackass of a roommate who screwed me again, financially, as well as psychologically. I'm not getting much sleep, nor can I leave my bedroom very much, since he keeps calling the landlord and wants me evicted for health and sanitation reasons. 2. From what I have read, the father is a perennial candidate in Sudanese politics. Just why are they in the U.S., given this fact? 3. Unless educational standards have slipped this badly (of course, this incident happened in Texas, so I have a lot of misgivings of Educational standards in history in that state), he should have been exposed to the events that conspired on 2001/9/11.



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18 Sep 2015, 9:02 am

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b) Obama isn't a Muslim.
c) Even if Obama was a muslim, SO WHAT!? There is nothing wrong with being a Muslim.


Something is wrong ...

-We had the Oregon Muslim Christmas tree/car bomber
-The Muslim Detroit Airport shoe bomber
-The 9/11 Muslim plane bombers
-The Muslim Pressure-Cooker bombers at the Boston Marathon.
-Muslims In New York were attacking police with larger knives.
-The FBI has a full time job monitoring Muslim activities so they can avert yet another Muslim terrorist plot

No other religion do Americans have to worry about bombers and knife-wielders trying to kill them.

I have lived in and around Dearborn, Michigan which is the largest enclave of Muslims in America. These people are ordinary Americans for the most part, however, fear still exists.

I have heard:
-" we are safe from their next attack because we live near Dearborn, and they won't kill their own".
-My mom once told me, "you don't cross those people, they will track you down and behead you".

There is fear.


I seem to remember people espousing fundamentalist, Endtime oriented Christianity stirring up trouble at Waco, Texas, and Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Does that mean we should be suspicious of all evangelicals?


You mean people peacefully going about their own business until the government decided to massacre them?


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18 Sep 2015, 11:34 am

I saw George Takei's post on facebook (https://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei/photos/a.223098324386295.105971.205344452828349/1366653030030813/?type=1&theater), which is a great show of support and solidarity.

...then I read the first comment, and it made me more upset about this whole thing than I previously was.

Andy Illes wrote:
I said: it's sad they thought that kid had a bomb.

She said: they didn't think he had a bomb.

I said: yes, they thought he made a bomb and even called the police.

She said: They just wanted to humiliate a little Muslim, African boy. They didn't think he had a bomb.

I said: Don't be a conspiracist. They might be a little prejudiced, but I'm sure they thought he had a bomb.

She said: Ok.
But they didn't evacuate the school, like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't call a bomb squad - like you do when there's a bomb
They didn't get as far away from him as possible - like you do when there's a bomb.
Then they put him and the clock in an office- not like you do when there's a bomb
Then they waited with him for the police to arrive.
Then they put the clock in the same car as the police.
Then they took pictures of it.

I said: Damn

They never thought he had a bomb


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18 Sep 2015, 11:36 am

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it seems the flatfoots arrested the boy because under interrogation, he would not roll over and say it was a bomb-

Irving Police spokesman Officer James McLellan told the station, "We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only tell us that it was a clock."
The teenager did that because, well, it was a clock, he said. [...] McLellan told the Dallas Morning News that Ahmed insisted the device was a clock, and that police have no reason to think it was dangerous and "no information that he claimed it was a bomb." Still, police wanted "a broader explanation" from the teen, McLellan said.
in other words, they tried to railroad the boy into making a false confession. that's an American flavor of fascism for ya, folks. :|


...so absurd I'd believe it was a Python skit.


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18 Sep 2015, 12:34 pm

ASPickle wrote:
I saw George Takei's post on facebook (https://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei/photos/a.223098324386295.105971.205344452828349/1366653030030813/?type=1&theater), which is a great show of support and solidarity.

...then I read the first comment, and it made me more upset about this whole thing than I previously was.

Andy Illes wrote:
I said: it's sad they thought that kid had a bomb.

She said: they didn't think he had a bomb.

I said: yes, they thought he made a bomb and even called the police.

She said: They just wanted to humiliate a little Muslim, African boy. They didn't think he had a bomb.

I said: Don't be a conspiracist. They might be a little prejudiced, but I'm sure they thought he had a bomb.

She said: Ok.
But they didn't evacuate the school, like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't call a bomb squad - like you do when there's a bomb
They didn't get as far away from him as possible - like you do when there's a bomb.
Then they put him and the clock in an office- not like you do when there's a bomb
Then they waited with him for the police to arrive.
Then they put the clock in the same car as the police.
Then they took pictures of it.

I said: Damn

They never thought he had a bomb


He said, "They arrested me and they told me that I committed the crime of a hoax bomb, a fake bomb".

Also, he is not African, he was born in America.



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18 Sep 2015, 12:57 pm

RhodyStruggle wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
eleventhirtytwo wrote:
b) Obama isn't a Muslim.
c) Even if Obama was a muslim, SO WHAT!? There is nothing wrong with being a Muslim.


Something is wrong ...

-We had the Oregon Muslim Christmas tree/car bomber
-The Muslim Detroit Airport shoe bomber
-The 9/11 Muslim plane bombers
-The Muslim Pressure-Cooker bombers at the Boston Marathon.
-Muslims In New York were attacking police with larger knives.
-The FBI has a full time job monitoring Muslim activities so they can avert yet another Muslim terrorist plot

No other religion do Americans have to worry about bombers and knife-wielders trying to kill them.

I have lived in and around Dearborn, Michigan which is the largest enclave of Muslims in America. These people are ordinary Americans for the most part, however, fear still exists.

I have heard:
-" we are safe from their next attack because we live near Dearborn, and they won't kill their own".
-My mom once told me, "you don't cross those people, they will track you down and behead you".

There is fear.


I seem to remember people espousing fundamentalist, Endtime oriented Christianity stirring up trouble at Waco, Texas, and Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Does that mean we should be suspicious of all evangelicals?


You mean people peacefully going about their own business until the government decided to massacre them?


Randy Weaver was a white supremacist who had threatened his neighbors at gun point (prior to the feds trying to coerce him into turning informant with the gun charge), while David Koresh justified his pederasty with religion. Both espoused insane End Times theology, which they believed justified storing up weapons to destroy us unbelievers - weapons, many of which had been altered illegally. I'm sorry about the loss of life that ultimately resulted by federal intervention, but neither Weaver of Koresh can be absolved of instigating said interventions. Neither just were going about their own business, doing nothing wrong.


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18 Sep 2015, 1:55 pm

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cathylynn wrote:
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That entire family should be deported. The kid should have bloody well known his device, however benign, would be trouble post 9/11/2001, had he studied recent history in school.


this is sarcasm, right?


No, but a couple points: 1. I'm having panic attacks again, due to financial issues and a jackass of a roommate who screwed me again, financially, as well as psychologically. I'm not getting much sleep, nor can I leave my bedroom very much, since he keeps calling the landlord and wants me evicted for health and sanitation reasons. 2. From what I have read, the father is a perennial candidate in Sudanese politics. Just why are they in the U.S., given this fact? 3. Unless educational standards have slipped this badly (of course, this incident happened in Texas, so I have a lot of misgivings of Educational standards in history in that state), he should have been exposed to the events that conspired on 2001/9/11.


Panic attacks or not....people can't be deported just for being of a certain nationality/racial background, so its a screwed up thing to say they all should be 'deported' in response to a story about this poor kid getting profiled, interrogated and arrested by the police over a tech project. Not sure how having panic attacks is an excuse for the nature of your post. Are you saying you'd feel differently if not for the panic attacks?


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18 Sep 2015, 2:42 pm

People also can't be deported if they're American citizens by birth. :wink:

Also, it always amuses me that the very same people who excoriated Obama back in 2008 because he was a parishioner in a church led by a Christian minister, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, affiliated with the United Church of Christ, are now convinced that he's a Muslim. If you want to convince me that you're an ignoramus of the first order, play that Obama is a Muslim or "Birther" card. :lol:


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18 Sep 2015, 3:54 pm

Hold on...

Wasn't there a recent case of a white bread White kid in an American school who got in it deep for cocking his fingers at someone, and saying "bang bang" (sumpin like that)? Some seemingly hysterical over reach by authorities on a non minority kid like that?

We had a recent thread about it here, but I am having trouble finding it. Maybe that was justified, or maybe it was excessive PC, or excessive fear of a Columbine type events, or whatever. But that kid's plight couldnt be blamed on racial/religious profiling.

And about the kid in this case: the local Mosque said they were okay with the action, and announced that "it's understandable how school authorities can be jumpy in these times".



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21 Sep 2015, 2:21 pm

I don't know what it is with some people in that, if you you tend to be creative shall we say in an unorthodox manner as well as being non-christian you wind up being scrutinized in a multitude of way. Yes, I'm a Caucasian however, I tend to have a diverse view of the world and the many people whom live in it. Therefore, I don't go around acting like every stranger to me is somehow a potential threat.Yes, there are people in our own communities whom are dangerous be it drug users,pedophiles,etc but, to simply see someone as danger without taking the time to learn of them is absolute silliness in my opinion.


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21 Sep 2015, 3:13 pm

Well, Muslim dudes are known for blowing stuff up, just as white dudes are known to shoot everything up (black dudes are known to shoot each other up).

Silly logic (as both are beyond rare events in the US; even the black on black violence is beyond rare in the grand scheme of things), but it's how it works in regards to a modern society with not much to rationally fear.