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25 Mar 2017, 9:46 am

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Yeah well Trump has done many things. I don't get what you are saying. She hasn't criticized the people themselves, if anything maybe they should be criticized a bit more, they supported a candidate in spite of some real flaws, particularly in the primary, in the general election it is more justified.

IMO, no non-American should ever "criticize a bit more" anything we do----cuz, like I've said, many times now, they don't live here, and they haven't walked a mile, in our shoes (BTW, I don't feel an American should ever criticize another country / its people, either, for the same reason).

I don't get how you think, sometimes----cuz, just a few pages back, you said something about that maybe people were being too harsh, or something, because 700,000 jobs had been lost (and, IIRC, you mentioned the Rust-Belt), and now you seem to be saying that people aren't being harsh enough. ???

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25 Mar 2017, 9:58 am

I'd talk more about Canadian politics, but it's not really that interesting; which I think is a good thing. "May you live in interesting times" and all that.

Trudeau is preparing to legalize weed for recreational use this summer. I look forward to that. And then there's the Keystone Pipeline, which actually worked out well for us with Trump.

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25 Mar 2017, 10:05 am

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It be interesting to hear what kind of work you did.

My work was in computers----I started-out as a keypunch operator, then computer operations, then engineer; and then, finally, I was was the Director of Training. (I did some other stuff, in-between, like media maintenance, and software----but, that's the gist of it.)

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25 Mar 2017, 10:12 am

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EzraS wrote:

But I can understand how a citizen of America, who fought as a soldier for America, might start getting a little annoyed.

Oh, dear----as much as I appreciate this statement, I must say (and I should've qualified my "I did it literally" statement, before) that I did NOT fight as a soldier (as in, on the ground fighting Iraqis, or something). I worked in Intelligence----and, what I meant was "I helped to keep my country / our troops, safe"----but, certainly, not directly; I've got NOTHIN' on those guys.

My fault for not reading closely enough I'm sure. Or maybe I was swayed your avatar lol.

No-no----like I said, I should've qualified my original statement.

LOL about my avatar!!

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25 Mar 2017, 10:31 am

I bet you'd get less than a five-minute delay at the border crossing nearest Kingston.

Ever been to Alexandria Bay? There's a restaurant there which has docks for boaters in case they want to stop to get a bite.

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25 Mar 2017, 11:12 am

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Ever been to Alexandria Bay? There's a restaurant there which has docks for boaters in case they want to stop to get a bite.

I haven't, but I have taken one of those tour boats around the Thousand Islands. It's very lovely.

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25 Mar 2017, 3:42 pm

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I think it is fair to criticize them since they did an action that was to a large level wrong and ignorant. In the Primaries they chose a candidate who showed a disregard for human life and doesn't value facts over a candidate that was experienced and competent.

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25 Mar 2017, 3:43 pm

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lol why you looking forward to that?

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25 Mar 2017, 6:42 pm

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But, why is it anybody's business, but our OWN?

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25 Mar 2017, 6:43 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

But, why is it anybody's business, but our OWN?

Its freedom of speech. People also need to understand both their and abroad that Trump's actions are wrong.

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25 Mar 2017, 6:47 pm

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Again, I like America. I wish I could visit as a tourist, but the security at the border is a pain in the ass and I have no patience for that sort of thing. I am specifically targeting Trump, who I believe is a threat to the world. And yes, I am frustrated with those who elected him. I think they should have known better.

I think that it is foolish to support someone who is a poor leader. To do so because one wants to support their country is unwise, better to get rid of the idiot and put someone more appropriate in charge before too much damage is done.

What damage would that be?

Trump is unable to express himself adequately. He has created a question about the truth and meaning of words. Fortunately he is being called on it by both the press and the branches of government. I am not sure if it is because he can't translate his thoughts to vocalization or if he has no thoughts. I tend to think the latter. In his recent Time magazine interview regarding truth, many of his answers called into question his understanding of the concept.

Time: Can President Trump Handle the Truth?

Trump has the character of an abuser of low character. When his health care bill failed he took no responsibility, blaming the democrats. Well, duh, of course the democrats are against it. He strongly coerced republicans to vote for it knowing it was against their conscience. Then when it failed he walked away from it, saying it's going to explode and it'll serve you right. The irony being that this is the best thing under the circumstances that could have happened to Obamacare. Not to mention the people who would have lost their health care coverage.

There's the numerous international incidents and escalation in tensions regarding American/Russian relations.

There's the conflict of interest between his business and executive interests; leaving him open to bribery and coercion.

There's all the people effected by the Muslim travel ban, before it was halted. The problems created for them by that incident have not gone away.

None of that is damage though. Or anything really resembling damage.

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25 Mar 2017, 6:52 pm

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Its freedom of speech. People also need to understand both their and abroad that Trump's actions are wrong.

What actions are those?

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25 Mar 2017, 7:00 pm

Shahunshah wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

But, why is it anybody's business, but our OWN?

Its freedom of speech. People also need to understand both their and abroad that Trump's actions are wrong.

Foreigners can criticize.
Americans can Make America Great Again.

Photo below comes from a Trump rally held at the Jersey Shore earlier today.

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25 Mar 2017, 7:19 pm

the_phoenix wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

But, why is it anybody's business, but our OWN?

Its freedom of speech. People also need to understand both their and abroad that Trump's actions are wrong.

Foreigners can criticize.
Americans can Make America Great Again.

Photo below comes from a Trump rally held at the Jersey Shore earlier today.

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Who did you support in the Primaries and the General election.

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25 Mar 2017, 7:56 pm

Also what the hell is this arrogance to think that foreigners shouldn't speak about America.

Much of the World's problems have all been America's fault. When Co2 emissions increased in the early 2000s violating the Kyoto protocol America was to blame. This can be detrimental for the world

When the Global Financial recession happened in 2008 it was the lack of banking regulations in America that caused it.

When Iraq became unstable in the 2000s it happened was due to American involvement.

When the Rwanda genocide happened in the 1990s and resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Tutsis, American complacency was a key driver of it.

You don't want to be judged. Don't screw up and carry the world down with it. Know when to support and not support someone I can't stress this enough. Your actions impact us and all and I am not sure if you know it.

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25 Mar 2017, 9:23 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

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I think it is very shocking that someone who promised to deport millions of people was elected...

What's shocking is that people keep conflating ILLEGAL immigrants with LEGAL residents. If you've got a green card and / or a visa, or whatever, you're good-to-go. If, however, the only way your boat made it to Florida, was because you had the sense to bring buckets, to bail-out the boat when it took-on water, then you need to go back, HOME!!

If part of the reason you were unable to obtain work, was because so many of these ILLEGAL people were taking the jobs, wouldn't you think that getting rid of them, was a good idea? And, please don't say that if they're illegal, they wouldn't be able to get a "proper" job, cuz there's always somebody, somewhere, willing to SELL you fake paperwork----all you have to do, is hop a bus, downtown; I even saw an ad on Craig's List, recently.

I know but deporting them is just terrible.

Now you're putting too much emotion into your post / thinking. If you think logically about it, if someone broke into your house, would you be like: "Oh, HI! I'm SOOOO glad you're here!! We were just sitting-down to supper----would you like to join us?"; I don't think you would.

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Tollorin wrote:

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Shahunshah wrote:

I think it is very shocking that someone who promised to deport millions of people was elected...

Either they are "legal" or "illegal" it's still deporting millions of peoples and potentially separating millions of children from their parents. From what I know you're rather sensitive (I may be wrong) and I don't get how you can support such things.

Yes, I'm very sensitive----to the point of almost making someone else's troubles, my own----it was all I could do, not to out-and-out BAWL when they showed that woman in the truck, behind bars, having to leave her kids, behind, because they were deporting her; but, here's the thing..... Quite frankly, when you do the crime, you do the time----and, her "time" (punishment) was having to leave her kids, here, because she CHOSE to come into this country, ILLEGALLY. I mean, the whole thing about doing something illegally, is that it's a roll-of-the-dice----sometimes you win, sometimes you lose----and, IMO, it's ludicrous to blame someone else when you lose.

You should be wary of "logical" reasons to hurt peoples, as it's easy to rationalize even the most vile of things, and the smarter you are the more easy it is. Balancing rationality and feelings is a tricky thing, but voluntary hurting or deporting millions of peoples, outside of the necessity of war (And wars should certainly not be started lightly), is a big no to me.
Beside your comparison to house broking is flawed, as immigrants, legals or not, only want to live in their country of adoption and not stealing things in it. Saying that they are "stealing jobs" is also dishonest, as jobs must be created to give them access to foods, housing, education, culture and a lot of other things.

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