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23 Jul 2017, 1:26 pm

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Im just sitting here looking at the comments by conservatives on how they think they have all the "facts" to refute the EVIDENCE that global warming is a huge part of our modern reality. But then again theyre the same people who believe that a jewish street preacher in the middle east is iconic because hes "the son of god".


A lazy 'ad hom' attack. I'm not a 'conservative' by any means; just the opposite in fact, but I prefer facts to pointless and unsubstantiated claims that are specifically designed to scare people silly.


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"What action are you planning on taking?"
I plan to awaken the masses so that we can seize the means of production.

By the way, check out this.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans.html


Like they did back in 1917 in Russia. Hey, I'm an old-style Bolshie myself, so I'm with you on that. I don't think that such action will lead to any reduction in CO2 emissions though; just the opposite, in fact. After the revolution the USSR underwent rapid industrialisation, and this led to a dramatic increase in all its associated benefits (like the aforementioned increase in CO2).

Look, global warming is a myth. That's just a fact. The Earth isn't getting warmer; in fact, it's getting colder, because a new Ice Age is on the way.

For someone who say to care about "facts" you are quite clueless about them: the Earth is warming, this is a fact.
This is not just supported by measure of temperatures, but also numerous and easily observable other things: changes in seasons, melting of glaciers, migrations of species (The coming of ticks and and the Lyme disease In Quebec recently for example), rising of the sea and so on. This is on those numerous proofs that the scientific consensus is built; the religious fanatics are not the scientists, they are the denier and their pathological denying of what is right in front of their eyes!


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23 Jul 2017, 1:40 pm

Climate change deniers are only a very small step away from flat earthers.



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24 Jul 2017, 2:04 pm

I watched Chasing Coral the other night. It was just as sad as Chasing Ice. When will our collective sense of self preservation and empathy for that what we destroy outweigh our collective greed as a species? Those that question the science does so because they have been manipulated into doing so by rather clever people. The same people that fought against the removal of lead from gasoline and questioned the science behind the danger of smoking cigarettes. Wake up, it's time to change.


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24 Jul 2017, 7:59 pm

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Climate change deniers are only a very small step away from flat earthers.


The fact that the earth is flat proves that climate change is a myth.



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24 Jul 2017, 9:39 pm

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The models that have been developed by climate scientists are trying to predict future changes in climate using available data. The factors are by no means conclusive but the general consensus from almost all scientists is that climate change is happening and (based on current increments) will continue to go up


These days people use "models" to give the appearance of being able to do the impossible; that is, to predict the future. Approximately 2,500 years ago the preferred method was to examine the entrails of an animal that had been sacrificed to the gods, and the high priests didn't wear white lab coats.

You can't "predict future changes in climate". It isn't possible, there are just too many variables to consider. Climate (and weather) are extreme examples of chaotic systems in action, so no matter what (and how much) you input into these models, you will not be able to accurately gauge how things will be (for example) ten years from now. It just can't be done. "The consensus is that climate change is happening" - well, of course! Climate has always changed, ever since the Earth has had an atmosphere. This isn't news. What I contest is the claim that WE are in any way responsible for it, and, what's more, that CO2 is the most important contributing factor.



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24 Jul 2017, 9:45 pm

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Climate change deniers are only a very small step away from flat earthers.


I do not, nor have I ever, believed the Earth to be flat. As for "climate change", well, of course. The Earth's climate has always changed, but we are not responsible for those changes. I do not accept the odious and irrational nonsense known as anthropogenic global warming caused by the industrial release of CO2 into the atmosphere, which is what you specifically were (dishonestly, in my view) referring to when you used those weasel words "climate change". If you believe in global warming you may as well believe the Earth to be flat (and only 6,000 years old as well), because this nonsense doesn't qualify as science.



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24 Jul 2017, 9:56 pm

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This is not just supported by measure of temperatures, but also numerous and easily observable other things: changes in seasons, melting of glaciers, migrations of species (The coming of ticks and and the Lyme disease In Quebec recently for example), rising of the sea and so on. This is on those numerous proofs that the scientific consensus is built; the religious fanatics are not the scientists, they are the denier and their pathological denying of what is right in front of their eyes!


:roll:

1) The seas are not rising, and the glaciers (and icecaps) are not melting. Those Pacific islands we were told would be under water by now are still visible on the surface, and the islanders have not drowned.

2) Since 1997 temperatures have been going down, not up, and this is contrary to what was "predicted" to occur.

3) The seasons are not changing, and even if they were one would then need to find the direct causal link between our activities on this planet and those changing seasons. This hasn't been done.

4) Between the years 1945 and 1975, when much of the world became increasingly industrialised, temperatures plummeted to such an extent that many believed the next Ice Age was coming early. Then when the pace of development leveled out (and corresponding releases of CO2 into the atmosphere also stabilised) the temperatures started to climb.

5) Sunspot activity plays a crucial and central role in climate, but this is never mentioned by the global-warming cultists.



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24 Jul 2017, 10:00 pm

I don't think it's a matter of denying climate change exists. I think it's a matter of considering that certain conclusions are unsupportable or at least questioning their validity.



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24 Jul 2017, 10:07 pm

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3) The seasons are not changing, and even if they were one would then need to find the direct causal link between our activities on this planet and those changing seasons. This hasn't been done.


There are a lot of wild berries where I live in western Washington. Especially blackberries. You can pick them walking down the street they're so prolific. Last year they became ripe earlier than usual and people were saying we should be worried about that. This year they and other berries are on or even a little behind schedule. This summer so far the temp has rarely gotten past the 70's F.



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24 Jul 2017, 10:29 pm

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3) The seasons are not changing, and even if they were one would then need to find the direct causal link between our activities on this planet and those changing seasons. This hasn't been done.


There are a lot of wild berries where I live in western Washington. Especially blackberries. You can pick them walking down the street they're so prolific. Last year they became ripe earlier than usual and people were saying we should be worried about that. This year they and other berries are on or even a little behind schedule. This summer so far the temp has rarely gotten past the 70's F.


Er... okay. So what? An example of anecdotal evidence, and the fact that you mention that "this summer so far the temp has rarely gotten past approx. 21.1 C" would count as evidence against the belief that the Earth is getting warmer. Yes, if anything, the summers that we get down here in Australia seem to be less intense than they were when I was younger, and it has been said that the mean global temperatures are going down, not up. Climate change certainly is something we can believe in, but global warming isn't, because it's just not happening.



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24 Jul 2017, 10:34 pm

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3) The seasons are not changing, and even if they were one would then need to find the direct causal link between our activities on this planet and those changing seasons. This hasn't been done.


There are a lot of wild berries where I live in western Washington. Especially blackberries. You can pick them walking down the street they're so prolific. Last year they became ripe earlier than usual and people were saying we should be worried about that. This year they and other berries are on or even a little behind schedule. This summer so far the temp has rarely gotten past the 70's F.


Er... okay. So what? An example of anecdotal evidence, and the fact that you mention that "this summer so far the temp has rarely gotten past approx. 21.1 C" would count as evidence against the belief that the Earth is getting warmer. Yes, if anything, the summers that we get down here in Australia seem to be less intense than they were when I was younger, and it has been said that the mean global temperatures are going down, not up. Climate change certainly is something we can believe in, but global warming isn't, because it's just not happening.


What I was saying is that people were getting worried over berries becoming ripe earlier than usual. Taking it as a sign of impending doom.



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25 Jul 2017, 6:36 am

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Lintar wrote:
3) The seasons are not changing, and even if they were one would then need to find the direct causal link between our activities on this planet and those changing seasons. This hasn't been done.


There are a lot of wild berries where I live in western Washington. Especially blackberries. You can pick them walking down the street they're so prolific. Last year they became ripe earlier than usual and people were saying we should be worried about that. This year they and other berries are on or even a little behind schedule. This summer so far the temp has rarely gotten past the 70's F.

That's not unusual ,if we get a warm spring stuff buds out early,a cold spring and its late.No reason those people should worry about that.


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25 Jul 2017, 6:39 am

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This is not just supported by measure of temperatures, but also numerous and easily observable other things: changes in seasons, melting of glaciers, migrations of species (The coming of ticks and and the Lyme disease In Quebec recently for example), rising of the sea and so on. This is on those numerous proofs that the scientific consensus is built; the religious fanatics are not the scientists, they are the denier and their pathological denying of what is right in front of their eyes!


:roll:

1) The seas are not rising, and the glaciers (and icecaps) are not melting. Those Pacific islands we were told would be under water by now are still visible on the surface, and the islanders have not drowned.

2) Since 1997 temperatures have been going down, not up, and this is contrary to what was "predicted" to occur.

3) The seasons are not changing, and even if they were one would then need to find the direct causal link between our activities on this planet and those changing seasons. This hasn't been done.

4) Between the years 1945 and 1975, when much of the world became increasingly industrialised, temperatures plummeted to such an extent that many believed the next Ice Age was coming early. Then when the pace of development leveled out (and corresponding releases of CO2 into the atmosphere also stabilised) the temperatures started to climb.

5) Sunspot activity plays a crucial and central role in climate, but this is never mentioned by the global-warming cultists.

Sea levels are rising.
https://phys.org/news/2016-05-sea-level ... omons.html


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25 Jul 2017, 7:25 am

I think part of the problem is people are always hearing about the end of the world. There was Y2K and 2012 just to name a couple. I think something catastrophic is supposed to happen this September.



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25 Jul 2017, 7:31 am

That does seem to be a recurring theme throughout the ages.Doomsday is always around the corner.There was that comet a few years back,a bunch of loons packed into a cave here to ride it out with piles of supplies.They paid the cave owner a ridiculous amount to den up in it.He told me this happens every few years and he rakes in a tidy profit from the "end of the worlders".


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25 Jul 2017, 2:37 pm

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Lintar wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
This is not just supported by measure of temperatures, but also numerous and easily observable other things: changes in seasons, melting of glaciers, migrations of species (The coming of ticks and and the Lyme disease In Quebec recently for example), rising of the sea and so on. This is on those numerous proofs that the scientific consensus is built; the religious fanatics are not the scientists, they are the denier and their pathological denying of what is right in front of their eyes!


:roll:

1) The seas are not rising, and the glaciers (and icecaps) are not melting. Those Pacific islands we were told would be under water by now are still visible on the surface, and the islanders have not drowned.

2) Since 1997 temperatures have been going down, not up, and this is contrary to what was "predicted" to occur.

3) The seasons are not changing, and even if they were one would then need to find the direct causal link between our activities on this planet and those changing seasons. This hasn't been done.

4) Between the years 1945 and 1975, when much of the world became increasingly industrialised, temperatures plummeted to such an extent that many believed the next Ice Age was coming early. Then when the pace of development leveled out (and corresponding releases of CO2 into the atmosphere also stabilised) the temperatures started to climb.

5) Sunspot activity plays a crucial and central role in climate, but this is never mentioned by the global-warming cultists.

Sea levels are rising.
https://phys.org/news/2016-05-sea-level ... omons.html

Not only that but if the glaciers are not melting how to explain something like this!?
This is seen all over the world...
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