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kraftiekortie
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16 Aug 2017, 5:21 pm

White Europeans might not be as scrutinized as people of other races when it comes to their immigration status.

But...if they are found to be here illegally, and their visa expired, they could potentially be booted out, too.

Many people of other races are here illegally, and are not booted out of the country. As long as you don't commit a criminal act, it's pretty much guaranteed that you won't be deported. You have many "civil disabilities," though, as an illegal alien.

Whether you're white or black or whatever.



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16 Aug 2017, 11:50 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
White Europeans might not be as scrutinized as people of other races when it comes to their immigration status.

But...if they are found to be here illegally, and their visa expired, they could potentially be booted out, too.

Many people of other races are here illegally, and are not booted out of the country. As long as you don't commit a criminal act, it's pretty much guaranteed that you won't be deported. You have many "civil disabilities," though, as an illegal alien.

Whether you're white or black or whatever.


Sting's song eloquently articulates how easy it is for a foreigner from the "mother country" to assimilate seamlessly into the New York environment. There is a deeper level than simply visa issues.



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17 Aug 2017, 7:26 am

If they have family or friends to take care of them...yes, they can seamlessly assimilate. The family becomes their "social security."

This happens quite a bit, actually, among immigrants from India and other Asian countries....perhaps even more than among people from European countries.



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17 Aug 2017, 8:20 am

Yes but Asian migrants integrate into their community rather than into "mainstream America"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresh_Off_the_Boat

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17 Aug 2017, 8:28 am

Also of note if you're parading around Nazi swastikas and a Confederate flag you're just a loser seeing as how both those groups faced humiliating defeats. Since the enlightenment the citizens of the west have consistently fought for more rights from their governments and societies, not less, and that's why those two groups will continue to lose out well into the future.

As for the confederate flag being some symbol of southern heritage well let's look at some of that heritage: 1. thinks people should be property of powerful elites: check, 2. militias that would fire a shot and run away in the Revolutionary War: check, 3. after the revolution made arguments for a monarchy: check, 4. took up arms against their country when they didn't get their way through democracy: check. Slaveholder is actually one of the least disgusting aspects of southern heritage, the cowardice, support of feudalism, and of course back-stabbing traitorous mentally are actually worse.



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17 Aug 2017, 8:40 am

I'm usually not a huge Ben Shapiro fan, he's always seemed a bit strident and dogmatic on certain things, but I think he might be offering a pretty good analysis of how things have been getting blurred and how Milo might have played a hand in making the alt-right just sound like it was a 'young right' or a more libertarian rather than neoconservative/globalist right. Thankfully coverage of this past weekend might be putting that confusion to rest:


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17 Aug 2017, 9:29 am

Perhaps the "immediate" immigrants don't assimilate all that much into the overall fabric of their adopted country.

However, their kids assimilate quite well. Almost to a fault, sometimes.

This has been happening in the US since at least the 19th century.



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17 Aug 2017, 9:42 am

xDominiel wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
No such thing


If "white guilt" didn't exist there wouldn't be people flogging themselves (figuratively speaking, though I'm sure you can find literal cases :lol: ) for the sins of their ancestors. Obviously it's a thing.

I mean, how else would you explain those white people who constantly go on about white privilege and how it's your responsibility to do so too because you share their skin color?


I'm very left-leaning, but I'd rather call myself a racist than sweat bullets for the white guilt crowd, that's just a load of nonsense.


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17 Aug 2017, 10:03 am

Also, why are so many right wingers pissed off about Confederate statues being removed, I thought they were against participation trophies...



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17 Aug 2017, 10:16 am

lol



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17 Aug 2017, 1:18 pm

MDD123 wrote:
xDominiel wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
No such thing


If "white guilt" didn't exist there wouldn't be people flogging themselves (figuratively speaking, though I'm sure you can find literal cases :lol: ) for the sins of their ancestors. Obviously it's a thing.

I mean, how else would you explain those white people who constantly go on about white privilege and how it's your responsibility to do so too because you share their skin color?


I'm very left-leaning, but I'd rather call myself a racist than sweat bullets for the white guilt crowd, that's just a load of nonsense.


If you don't think you have anything to feel guilty about, then none of that should bother you. I'm a white guy, but I hardly feel any guilt or shame.


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17 Aug 2017, 1:20 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
Also, why are so many right wingers pissed off about Confederate statues being removed, I thought they were against participation trophies...


Because to them, being anti-Nazi and being anti-KKK is a "crazy train".

These are the same people who are far more concerned about leftists getting into fistfights than they ever will be about a Nazi attempting an act of mass murder on American soil.

They are the enablers of Nazi violence.



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17 Aug 2017, 1:37 pm

cyberdad wrote:
xDominiel wrote:
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No such thing


If "white guilt" didn't exist there wouldn't be people flogging themselves (figuratively speaking, though I'm sure you can find literal cases :lol: ) for the sins of their ancestors. Obviously it's a thing.

I mean, how else would you explain those white people who constantly go on about white privilege and how it's your responsibility to do so too because you share their skin color?


I'm not sure if you were alluding to original sin. Christians do generically flog themselves during prayer over the "sins of their forefathers" but that's another story

I really hope people of European stock wake up and smell the roses. Being "white" based on loosely (and flimsy) associations linked to concentration of melanin in one's skin is invoking colonial European divisions that should have been chucked when we had the United Nations. SO called "white guilt" is a projection based on personal insecurities about identity which is why identity politics makes things easy. It's why a European person from England or France can step off in New York and be a "legal alien" because they meet the skin color requirement (cue for Sting's Englishman in New York song)


Cry me a river, emo kid. You sound more whiny and bitchy with every post.

Plenty of Hispanic people have European ancestry. Should they kill themselves as well?



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17 Aug 2017, 4:41 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
Also, why are so many right wingers pissed off about Confederate statues being removed, I thought they were against participation trophies...

It's called looking for an excuse for a conflict, not to mention free advertising



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17 Aug 2017, 4:42 pm

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Plenty of Hispanic people have European ancestry. Should they kill themselves as well?

ummm where did I say anyone should kill themselves?



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18 Aug 2017, 9:12 am

edited out, re-quote of a quote I was trying to edit, sigh.