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http://www.newsweek.com/doug-jones-roy- ... ics-746366
It was the turnout of black women that enabled Doug Jones to beat out Roy Moore. 98% of them voted for Doug Jones. 63% of white women voted for Roy Moore.

Sure, big money helps, but it ultimately up to the voters to decide who wins. It is very hard to underestimate how much normal people can be influenced by other normal people in one on one social situations.

those 63% of white women must either have been daughterless, or just plain bloodyminded.

^^ I suspect that most of them are one husband away from a welfare check, and would be dependent on their local social club church if their marriages fail, so their votes reflect that risk aversion: go along to get along.

It really is mind blowing. When a (traditional) couple divorce, the woman generally sees a reduction in financial status, unless she is an independent whitecollar earner with a full time job. Most of these women will be pink collar, part time, or SAHMs.

Often, if a divorced woman retains the house, she finds that she can't afford it on her own (I am amazed at what I spend on yearly maintenance/repair! and I'm OK financially for now at least), and she will end up selling it.

Child support is managed by each state; some are totally indifferent to deadbeat dads, meaning that the woman has to take her ex to court, meaning yet more legal bills (after she had to sell the house already). And family court is a crapshoot, all too often.

There is definitely an economic pressure on women married to conservative men, to stay married - which means internalizing their husbands' values.

I can run some searches and send you some links if you like. There's a lot of - emotion, I guess - on both sides (divorced women angry at men, divorced men angry at women, distortion in both cases) so it takes some sorting to get through the chaff. But there are statistics.

(edit in: one of the things I will love my father for until the day I die, is that he took me aside and explained just how vulnerable I would be, if I married and did not retain the means to support myself. God bless him. I did not marry, but because of his advice and support, I was self supporting all my working life.)

(second edit: this relates to working class white folks. Most black families have been two-earner for a long, long time. And of course their experience of America is radically different. So there's little cognitive dissonance for a black woman voting in her, her husband's, her family's best interests - those genuinely do converge both politically and economically.)

glad to hear your dad was in your corner from the start. too many parents decide that the new man [for their daughter] is the new dad. btw, what is a "SAHM"?

Sorry! Stay-At-Home Mom. This is big in conservative Christian culture now. Here is a search on "quiverfull families" if you want to see the most extreme version. Brace yourself.

https://www.ixquick.com/do/dsearch?quer ... ge=english

Yeah, my dad was something. And a cat lover too.

I remember, decades ago, a book, "thus spake Zarathustra" which used a phrase - "backworldsmen" - which coulda referred to people like the Duggars. those fundies haven't a clue as to how primitive they are.

Perhaps this is a bit off-topic, but I just have to drop this truth bomb.

those oligarchs can use the constitutional amendment process against us, a variety of ways.

but since the 80s there has been tremendous clawback by the oligarchs who have succeeded in dumbing down just enough of the voting public. those people want it all back and they won't stop until they get it. it is a long game for them.