Planet has until 2030 to stem catastrophic climate change

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EzraS
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02 Nov 2018, 3:16 pm

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02 Nov 2018, 9:37 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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If you don't trust people or established facts you're stuck basing your decisions on more or less nothing.

Yes, instinct, based on how I feel.

The global warming proponents hide their data.

So, my instinct tells me, something is fishy, something is wrong ... deception.

Sure enough, they just admitted to "sampling their data wrong".


I guess if you're willing to ignore human error on your part even more than you do regarding specifically trained scientists this might work out for someone.

You really threw the baby out with the bath water to put it rashly.


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02 Nov 2018, 9:39 pm

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Perhaps because drowning golf courses are not the best business.


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02 Nov 2018, 10:54 pm

I think that people have a lot to do with it. We as world citizens need to think of greener ways to travel. We need more electric cars and electric planes. We also need electric trains and buses. We also need solar power. We need solar powered outdoor air purifiers. Solar panel highways would also help.


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04 Nov 2018, 5:58 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I think that people have a lot to do with it. We as world citizens need to think of greener ways to travel. We need more electric cars and electric planes. We also need electric trains and buses. We also need solar power. We need solar powered outdoor air purifiers. Solar panel highways would also help.


Regarding electric airplanes, that would seem to be nothing more than a pipe dream. The ability to store enough electricity for a very long airplane flight is well beyond our capabilities. It just isn't going to happen.

As for greener ways to travel, I wonder how much energy is used from various sources to haul freight compared to people. In today's world, most of us don't depend on much that is produced within a few miles of home. If I had to live on what is produced near my home, I would have to live in a barely heated underground house without electricity or plumbing, and would have to dine primarily on wheat and cattle from local farms. In the summer time, I would also have vegetables.

I don't know what I'd have to do for water since the water table is about 400 feet deep. If I couldn't bring in a windmill, casing pipe, and sucker rods by freight, about all I could do is to dig a very deep hole down to the water table (I would probably die from lack of oxygen if I tried) and bring it up in a bucket tied to a rope. I'm not sure where I could get a suitable rope.

Even if we had no personal travel, hauling in supplies would still require a major amount energy.



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04 Nov 2018, 6:10 pm

^Some parts of modern life may be difficult to source within 10 miles of home, so we could still transport some things around.. but we don't need to transport probably 80-90% of what we do across the country or around the world. It is beyond ridiculous that the bag of dried cranberries in my cupboard was grown somewhere in New England when one of the world's largest cranberry producing farm areas is ~12 miles from my house. We also don't Need to manufacture nearly everything with overseas pseudo slave labour and ship it everywhere when nearly every absolute necessity (and then some!) can be produced by local people. But we could still ship some essential building supplies and tools and things and justify the environmental costs for the benefits they provide.

We're fortunate that we have this lasting subculture of hippies & natives here that still live off the land, produce handmade goods, trade and barter with each other etc. It's especially prevalent in certain community pockets, and Especially so on the Sunshine Coast & many of the small islands off the West coast here. There are a LOT of total hippies living there who live a very different lifestyle.. like one guy is the soapmaker and trades soap to all the others, some are foragers who sell mushrooms & berries at the local farmers markets, others fish and trade salmon for necessities, one guy has a small business delivering potable water, one has a log splitter and sells firewood etc etc etc. These simpler lifestyles are the types of truly local living off the land examples more and more of us need to learn how to live like.

Without going to that extreme, even just trying to buy locally made everyday modern convenience things helps. Every little bit counts when compounded over Billions of people all doing the same.


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