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22 Oct 2018, 2:14 am

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Also when licencing offices and polling places are closed down in predominately black areas. Also when it's mostly blacks purged from the voting rolls for slight inconsistencies with state information as in Mississippi. Or when predominately black ex felons are denied their voting rights as in Florida. Or as when Native Americans are taken off the voting rolls because they have post offices boxes instead of street residences on their voting information. So no, nothing is being blown out of proportion. If anything, I don't see why this isn't being proclaimed from the rooftops.
The only reason why this is happening is because minorities tend to vote Democrat, as the Republicans have opened their party to white nationalists. So, as Republicans are never going to get the minority vote, they see no other alternative than to deny Americans of color their right to one man one vote.


I figure if this is an insidious voter suppression plot the numbers must be pretty high.

So how many people are being kept from voting?


Cumulatively, it's at the very least into the hundreds of thousands, if not higher. It's all for the sake for the pretext of voter fraud - which doesn't exist in any large numbers.


What's the estimated deficit in democrat votes compared to the 2010 and 2014 midterms because of this?


In Montana without the Native American vote it could mean everything where their vote had swung the previous election. Same with states like Mississippi and Florida where the vote is extremely close, and the Dems need the minority ballot.


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22 Oct 2018, 3:22 am

I'm not wrong.

Harvard exploited one underrepresented person at the expense of even less represented people. Well, damn! Who would have thought that a bunch of New England patricians would also be liars?


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22 Oct 2018, 3:40 am

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It should be noted that Warren is part Cherokee, the real Pocahontas was not.

I am about 1/8 Cherokee myself.


Warren claims to b have had a Cherokee ancestor. An as a representative of Cherokee nation had pointe out, the test she took did not determine that she was decescenent from a member of the Cherokee nation, and that even if she was, a dna test does not qualify her as a member of the Cherokee nation.


That's kind of like pointing out the obvious.

The DNA test establishes with a very high probability that she had ancestors who were Native Americans, but no such DNA test can establish the tribe.

Also, it is true that a DNA test does not qualify someone to become members of any Native American tribe. That is both because of the non-specificity of the DNA test regarding the tribe and because it is the tribes that decides how one can establish that they should be a member of the tribe.

But that is besides the point. She claimed to have Native American ancestors who were Cherokees. She did not claim to be a member of any Cherokee tribe (there are three that are federally recognized). Couple the fact of her having ancestors who are Native Americans and her family history that they had an ancestor who was a Cherokee, then it is highly likely that she had ancestors who were Cherokee, as she claimed. If not, then she had an ancestors who were from some other tribe.

Leave out all the spin from the non-moderate right as they try hard to besmirch Warren and it is quite simple.

Note that I'm not a Democrat and I would be extremely unlikely to ever vote for Warren. However, I place truth on a far higher level than partisan party politics.



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22 Oct 2018, 3:43 am

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In Montana without the Native American vote it could mean everything where their vote had swung the previous election. Same with states like Mississippi and Florida where the vote is extremely close, and the Dems need the minority ballot.


I know the Washington Post says they conducted a study about Montana.

But have the Blackfeet, Crow, Sioux, Salish Nations in Montana made any statements regarding this? That's how I would know it's a legitimate issue, rather than going by what some outside source is claiming. I know the black people I saw being interviewed about them not being able to vote basically said that was a bunch of BS.



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22 Oct 2018, 4:51 am

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In Montana without the Native American vote it could mean everything where their vote had swung the previous election. Same with states like Mississippi and Florida where the vote is extremely close, and the Dems need the minority ballot.


I know the Washington Post says they conducted a study about Montana.

But have the Blackfeet, Crow, Sioux, Salish Nations in Montana made any statements regarding this? That's how I would know it's a legitimate issue, rather than going by what some outside source is claiming. I know the black people I saw being interviewed about them not being able to vote basically said that was a bunch of BS.


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The Midwestern field hearing received testimony about Native American voting in North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana and Wyoming. Ten witnesses including community organizers, tribal members, elected officials, and a litigator, academic, and former US Attorney testified. Representatives from the region included members of the Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes, Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa, Northern Arapaho Tribe, Crow Creek Sioux Tribe, Crow Tribe, and White Earth Nation. The Hearing was chaired by O.J. Semans, Sr. Executive Director of Four Directions. Jim Tucker, pro bono counsel for NARF, and Jacqueline De León, Voting Rights Fellow for NARF, assisted moderating the panels.

Witnesses identified logistical barriers which make voting difficult in the Midwestern region. For example, distance to polls, poverty, and an inability to access transportation prevent Native Americans from voting. A history of deplorable voting conditions have fostered a sense of distrust of the voting process. Rude treatment during registration and at polls by poll workers serves to intimidate already insecure Native voters. Witnesses also reported a widespread distrust of state, county, and local officials. Testimony outlined a belief these officials are not acting in tribal members’ best interests and instead are conspiring to suppress Native vote. Additionally, witnesses testified how recently enacted voter laws in North Dakota have chilled Native American participation due to fear of being turned away at the polls. Voter suppression of the Native vote is persistent in the Midwestern region.


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Gary Collins and Timothy Purdon listen as Professor Jerry Webster details physical barriers to voting in the Midwestern region.



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22 Oct 2018, 5:11 am

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Witnesses identified logistical barriers which make voting difficult in the Midwestern region. For example, distance to polls, poverty, and an inability to access transportation prevent Native Americans from voting. A history of deplorable voting conditions have fostered a sense of distrust of the voting process. Rude treatment during registration and at polls by poll workers serves to intimidate already insecure Native voters. Witnesses also reported a widespread distrust of state, county, and local officials. Testimony outlined a belief these officials are not acting in tribal members’ best interests and instead are conspiring to suppress Native vote. Additionally, witnesses testified how recently enacted voter laws in North Dakota have chilled Native American participation due to fear of being turned away at the polls. Voter suppression of the Native vote is persistent in the Midwestern region.

Just use an "absentee ballot".
https://sosmt.gov/elections/absentee/

1. Have it mailed to you
2. Fill it out.
3. Mail it back.

Problem solved.


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22 Oct 2018, 5:11 am

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In Montana without the Native American vote it could mean everything where their vote had swung the previous election. Same with states like Mississippi and Florida where the vote is extremely close, and the Dems need the minority ballot.


I know the Washington Post says they conducted a study about Montana.

But have the Blackfeet, Crow, Sioux, Salish Nations in Montana made any statements regarding this? That's how I would know it's a legitimate issue, rather than going by what some outside source is claiming. I know the black people I saw being interviewed about them not being able to vote basically said that was a bunch of BS.


What was BS? That their vote was being suppressed, or that it wasn't being suppressed?


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22 Oct 2018, 5:26 am

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In Montana without the Native American vote it could mean everything where their vote had swung the previous election. Same with states like Mississippi and Florida where the vote is extremely close, and the Dems need the minority ballot.


I know the Washington Post says they conducted a study about Montana.

But have the Blackfeet, Crow, Sioux, Salish Nations in Montana made any statements regarding this? That's how I would know it's a legitimate issue, rather than going by what some outside source is claiming. I know the black people I saw being interviewed about them not being able to vote basically said that was a bunch of BS.


What was BS? That their vote was being suppressed, or that it wasn't being suppressed?


They said they are able to vote.



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22 Oct 2018, 5:45 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
In Montana without the Native American vote it could mean everything where their vote had swung the previous election. Same with states like Mississippi and Florida where the vote is extremely close, and the Dems need the minority ballot.


I know the Washington Post says they conducted a study about Montana.

But have the Blackfeet, Crow, Sioux, Salish Nations in Montana made any statements regarding this? That's how I would know it's a legitimate issue, rather than going by what some outside source is claiming. I know the black people I saw being interviewed about them not being able to vote basically said that was a bunch of BS.


What was BS? That their vote was being suppressed, or that it wasn't being suppressed?


They said they are able to vote.


There are many who say they can not.


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22 Oct 2018, 5:59 am

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There are many who say they can not.

Just use an "absentee ballot".
https://sosmt.gov/elections/absentee/

1. Have it mailed to you
2. Fill it out.
3. Mail it back.

Problem solved.


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22 Oct 2018, 6:41 am

I think really what this comes down to is for democrats to have excuses if the blue wave fails. If the democrats sweep Montana, Georgia, Florida etc, then probably little if anything will be said by them about this afterwards.

Likewise if in the next election for president, if Trump wins the popular vote but losses the electoral vote, then they'll say thank goodness for the EC.



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22 Oct 2018, 1:22 pm

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I think really what this comes down to is for democrats to have excuses if the blue wave fails. If the democrats sweep Montana, Georgia, Florida etc, then probably little if anything will be said by them about this afterwards.

Likewise if in the next election for president, if Trump wins the popular vote but losses the electoral vote, then they'll say thank goodness for the EC.


Or maybe it's because the Republicans cheat by suppressing the vote for real.


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22 Oct 2018, 1:28 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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There are many who say they can not.

Just use an "absentee ballot".
https://sosmt.gov/elections/absentee/

1. Have it mailed to you
2. Fill it out.
3. Mail it back.

Problem solved.


Here in Washington, that's how most of us vote.
That said, in other states, when people have tried to switch to absentee ballot the same sh***y little tricks are pulled to suppress their vote. For example, one elderly black lady who had voted for most of her adult life tried to switch to an absentee ballot was told because she didn't have her original marriage certificate she could no longer vote. Luckily, MSNBC made a public stink on her behalf and got the decision reversed. But most people in similar situations don't have liberal news outlets looking out for them.


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22 Oct 2018, 6:17 pm

kokopelli wrote:
yelekam wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
It should be noted that Warren is part Cherokee, the real Pocahontas was not.

I am about 1/8 Cherokee myself.


Warren claims to b have had a Cherokee ancestor. An as a representative of Cherokee nation had pointe out, the test she took did not determine that she was decescenent from a member of the Cherokee nation, and that even if she was, a dna test does not qualify her as a member of the Cherokee nation.


That's kind of like pointing out the obvious.

The DNA test establishes with a very high probability that she had ancestors who were Native Americans, but no such DNA test can establish the tribe.

Also, it is true that a DNA test does not qualify someone to become members of any Native American tribe. That is both because of the non-specificity of the DNA test regarding the tribe and because it is the tribes that decides how one can establish that they should be a member of the tribe.

But that is besides the point. She claimed to have Native American ancestors who were Cherokees. She did not claim to be a member of any Cherokee tribe (there are three that are federally recognized). Couple the fact of her having ancestors who are Native Americans and her family history that they had an ancestor who was a Cherokee, then it is highly likely that she had ancestors who were Cherokee, as she claimed. If not, then she had an ancestors who were from some other tribe.

Leave out all the spin from the non-moderate right as they try hard to besmirch Warren and it is quite simple.

Note that I'm not a Democrat and I would be extremely unlikely to ever vote for Warren. However, I place truth on a far higher level than partisan party politics.


She claimed to be a Native American which she isn’t.



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22 Oct 2018, 10:43 pm

sly279 wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
yelekam wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
It should be noted that Warren is part Cherokee, the real Pocahontas was not.

I am about 1/8 Cherokee myself.


Warren claims to b have had a Cherokee ancestor. An as a representative of Cherokee nation had pointe out, the test she took did not determine that she was decescenent from a member of the Cherokee nation, and that even if she was, a dna test does not qualify her as a member of the Cherokee nation.


That's kind of like pointing out the obvious.

The DNA test establishes with a very high probability that she had ancestors who were Native Americans, but no such DNA test can establish the tribe.

Also, it is true that a DNA test does not qualify someone to become members of any Native American tribe. That is both because of the non-specificity of the DNA test regarding the tribe and because it is the tribes that decides how one can establish that they should be a member of the tribe.

But that is besides the point. She claimed to have Native American ancestors who were Cherokees. She did not claim to be a member of any Cherokee tribe (there are three that are federally recognized). Couple the fact of her having ancestors who are Native Americans and her family history that they had an ancestor who was a Cherokee, then it is highly likely that she had ancestors who were Cherokee, as she claimed. If not, then she had an ancestors who were from some other tribe.

Leave out all the spin from the non-moderate right as they try hard to besmirch Warren and it is quite simple.

Note that I'm not a Democrat and I would be extremely unlikely to ever vote for Warren. However, I place truth on a far higher level than partisan party politics.


She claimed to be a Native American which she isn’t.


Cites?

The only claims I've seen were that she had ancestors who were Native American and she had some Native American heritage which she did. She never claimed to be a member of a tribe.



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23 Oct 2018, 2:10 am

“being Native American has been part of my story, I guess, since the day I was born“
She’s never been Native American anymore then I’ve been German, English or Irish.