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16 Apr 2019, 2:09 am

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We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


If Trump is the terrible monster you proclaim, then you should be resisting Trumps attempt to criminalize journalism through the indictment of Assange.


Trump probably has nothing to do with that.


You say that, but :-
Trump is, at this point in time, the President of the USA and :-

Mike Pompeo is a Trump Appointee.
Jeff Sessions and William Barr, Trump Appointees.
Kevin McAleena and Devid Pekoske are Trump Appointees.
Dan Coats is a Trump Appointee.
Gina Haspel is a Trump Appointee.

So all of Trumps hand-picked loyalists are going after Assange because, their boss asked them not to????
Do you think such a claim makes *any* sense, at all?


There was a warrant for wh***y even before Trump was President.


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16 Apr 2019, 2:15 am

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I've had plenty thanks. But the lies need to stop. This is serious business.


As far as I know, I've only spoken the truth.


Well then it's time to find other sources for news. The lies from the establishment media channels are getting more and more insane by the day. It's now even gone past Alex Jones/David Icke level or lunacy. Once their lies fall apart they just double down and fund even more outrageous lies and conspiracy theories.


I'll believe you when CNN and MSNBC claim children murdered in a school shooting had never existed, and that everyone else were "crisis actors."


hear hear, so far it's only been stuff like fake dossiers, nonexistent "pee tapes" and a collusion hoax. Nazis everywhere. The world is coming to an end in a few years. Oh and that racist kid who attacked a veteran by smiling at him.


Who says all that stuff is fake? Trump and company is who, and thus the why is evident.


It is all fake. The burden of truth is on those making the fake claims. CNN and the rest of them pushed the 'gas attacks' in Syria that were all carried out by the Jihadists or were fake. And the Iraq lies, babies out of incubators. You just keep deflecting.


We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


And all of that amounts to grasping at straws. What was needed was for Robert Mueller to conclude those things amounted to collusion and that did not happen. But that also is a collusion conspiracy. And if/when the report is made public, it will likely be spun and twisted to no end along with conspiracy theories that it was tampered with before being released. I expect the same thing if the president's tax records are released. Yes, just like the birthers continuing to claim Obama was born in Kenya and that the birth certificate that was eventually made public was a forgery.


What Mueller did was open the door for the bee hive of investigations Trump will have to face. Among them will be investigations into Trump's tax returns (the fact that he desperately doesn't want to release them speaks volumes), as well as obstruction of justice.
Trump's crowing is premature, as we don't know what's really in the report. But people who do are Mueller's investigators, and they say the Cheeto has not only been not exonerated, but that he's in deeper sh*t than Barr has let on.


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16 Apr 2019, 2:23 am

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There was a warrant for wh***y even before Trump was President.


Yes, the attacks on wikileaks, and press freedom in general, have been fairly bipartisan in Washington and they have not only continued but escalated in severity under Trump.

So, why are you so eager to give this president, whom you consider a monster, even more power over the press through this indictment?



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16 Apr 2019, 2:30 am

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What Mueller did was open the door for the bee hive of investigations Trump will have to face. Among them will be investigations into Trump's tax returns (the fact that he desperately doesn't want to release them speaks volumes), as well as obstruction of justice.
Trump's crowing is premature, as we don't know what's really in the report. But people who do are Mueller's investigators, and they say the Cheeto has not only been not exonerated, but that he's in deeper sh*t than Barr has let on.


The more investigations and hearings that take place, like the Mueller nothing and the Cummings Cohen nothing, the better it will be for Trump and the worse it will be for the Democrats. It's always been a gamble and so far it's ended up in Trump's favor, with his claims of a hoax, a witch hunt and fake news seeming more and more likely the case. Seen as just a ridiculous and messed up attempt to depose a president.



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16 Apr 2019, 3:26 am

I'm surprised the Australian government is not doing anything to bring him back home?



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16 Apr 2019, 4:59 am

EzraS wrote:
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What Mueller did was open the door for the bee hive of investigations Trump will have to face. Among them will be investigations into Trump's tax returns (the fact that he desperately doesn't want to release them speaks volumes), as well as obstruction of justice.
Trump's crowing is premature, as we don't know what's really in the report. But people who do are Mueller's investigators, and they say the Cheeto has not only been not exonerated, but that he's in deeper sh*t than Barr has let on.


The more investigations and hearings that take place, like the Mueller nothing and the Cummings Cohen nothing, the better it will be for Trump and the worse it will be for the Democrats. It's always been a gamble and so far it's ended up in Trump's favor, with his claims of a hoax, a witch hunt and fake news seeming more and more likely the case. Seen as just a ridiculous and messed up attempt to depose a president.


I'm willing to chance it.


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16 Apr 2019, 5:04 am

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There was a warrant for wh***y even before Trump was President.


Yes, the attacks on wikileaks, and press freedom in general, have been fairly bipartisan in Washington and they have not only continued but escalated in severity under Trump.

So, why are you so eager to give this president, whom you consider a monster, even more power over the press through this indictment?


As I've already stated, Assange and his organization have become close allies of Trump and his Russian friends. They will continue to work hand-in-glove for the Putin dictatorship. Sending wh***y to trial and perhaps even convicting him isn't going to help along autocracy in America, but possibly will help stop Russia's tentacles from further infiltrating this country.


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16 Apr 2019, 5:28 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
What Mueller did was open the door for the bee hive of investigations Trump will have to face. Among them will be investigations into Trump's tax returns (the fact that he desperately doesn't want to release them speaks volumes), as well as obstruction of justice.
Trump's crowing is premature, as we don't know what's really in the report. But people who do are Mueller's investigators, and they say the Cheeto has not only been not exonerated, but that he's in deeper sh*t than Barr has let on.


The more investigations and hearings that take place, like the Mueller nothing and the Cummings Cohen nothing, the better it will be for Trump and the worse it will be for the Democrats. It's always been a gamble and so far it's ended up in Trump's favor, with his claims of a hoax, a witch hunt and fake news seeming more and more likely the case. Seen as just a ridiculous and messed up attempt to depose a president.


I'm willing to chance it.


Well then if it all backfires and Trump gets reelected, I don't want to hear any complaints. Looking at the scoreboard so far, the odds seem way in favor of continual backfires.



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16 Apr 2019, 5:44 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
What Mueller did was open the door for the bee hive of investigations Trump will have to face. Among them will be investigations into Trump's tax returns (the fact that he desperately doesn't want to release them speaks volumes), as well as obstruction of justice.
Trump's crowing is premature, as we don't know what's really in the report. But people who do are Mueller's investigators, and they say the Cheeto has not only been not exonerated, but that he's in deeper sh*t than Barr has let on.


The more investigations and hearings that take place, like the Mueller nothing and the Cummings Cohen nothing, the better it will be for Trump and the worse it will be for the Democrats. It's always been a gamble and so far it's ended up in Trump's favor, with his claims of a hoax, a witch hunt and fake news seeming more and more likely the case. Seen as just a ridiculous and messed up attempt to depose a president.


I'm willing to chance it.


Well then if it all backfires and Trump gets reelected, I don't want to hear any complaints. Looking at the scoreboard so far, the odds seem way in favor of continual backfires.


Of course I'm still going to complain. :duh:


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16 Apr 2019, 6:02 am

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He's a traitor to whatever country he is a citizen of.
So why did Australia not charge him as such? Maybe because he did not do anything to them. Again, spy and thief, I can fathom but not traitor.
Most hackers are spies & thieves. That in itself is no reason for you to pretend to know why. The hacking community does not answer to your materialistic notions of private property, in large part because you are being ripped off by governments & corporations.
Reviewing the news reports ... Assange is charged with only 1 count of what is essentially "Breaking and Entering" on the Federal level. He accessed a system that he wasn't supposed to access -- a system that belongs to the federal government.

I think he's a traitor, but even the government seems to officially think otherwise.


You need to be more specific. When you say "federal level," do you mean the federal government of the USA or the federal government of Australia? Are you saying he's a traitor to Australia (his native land) or a traitor to the USA (he's not an American citizen).

The federal government of the USA can't charge a non-American with treason. Treason is betrayal of one's country. Assange is not an American. Why is this so hard for people to comprehend?



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16 Apr 2019, 6:22 am

Australia may as well be part of America :shrug:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap



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16 Apr 2019, 6:24 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
I've had plenty thanks. But the lies need to stop. This is serious business.


As far as I know, I've only spoken the truth.


Well then it's time to find other sources for news. The lies from the establishment media channels are getting more and more insane by the day. It's now even gone past Alex Jones/David Icke level or lunacy. Once their lies fall apart they just double down and fund even more outrageous lies and conspiracy theories.


I'll believe you when CNN and MSNBC claim children murdered in a school shooting had never existed, and that everyone else were "crisis actors."


hear hear, so far it's only been stuff like fake dossiers, nonexistent "pee tapes" and a collusion hoax. Nazis everywhere. The world is coming to an end in a few years. Oh and that racist kid who attacked a veteran by smiling at him.


Who says all that stuff is fake? Trump and company is who, and thus the why is evident.


It is all fake. The burden of truth is on those making the fake claims. CNN and the rest of them pushed the 'gas attacks' in Syria that were all carried out by the Jihadists or were fake. And the Iraq lies, babies out of incubators. You just keep deflecting.


We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


And nothing came of it. Where as Clinton meeting and paying foreign agents provided the fake Steele Dossier. She told bankers she would be their candidate. She took money From Russia to sell off American uranium. She took money From Goldman Sachs, Over $600,000. She took money from the Saudis while saying she knew they fund ISIS. She said the US needed to remove Assad for Israel. If she had have won you'd be silent about it all as you are now. Meeting Russians at a f**king tower is nothing. And Trump is a crook, not Russian puppet. He's an Israeli puppet. Netanyahu sleeps in his son in law's bed bed!! !! Netanyahu boasted about his control over Trump during the election campaign. And him joking around about hacking emails is nothing. Bill Binney has proved the emails were leaked. Seriously, enough of the BS.


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I'm surprised the Australian government is not doing anything to bring him back home?


They have capitulated to US pressure. See John Pilger for this.


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16 Apr 2019, 7:26 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
What Mueller did was open the door for the bee hive of investigations Trump will have to face. Among them will be investigations into Trump's tax returns (the fact that he desperately doesn't want to release them speaks volumes), as well as obstruction of justice.
Trump's crowing is premature, as we don't know what's really in the report. But people who do are Mueller's investigators, and they say the Cheeto has not only been not exonerated, but that he's in deeper sh*t than Barr has let on.


The more investigations and hearings that take place, like the Mueller nothing and the Cummings Cohen nothing, the better it will be for Trump and the worse it will be for the Democrats. It's always been a gamble and so far it's ended up in Trump's favor, with his claims of a hoax, a witch hunt and fake news seeming more and more likely the case. Seen as just a ridiculous and messed up attempt to depose a president.


I'm willing to chance it.


Well then if it all backfires and Trump gets reelected, I don't want to hear any complaints. Looking at the scoreboard so far, the odds seem way in favor of continual backfires.


Of course I'm still going to complain. :duh:


Of course, but I still don't want to hear it :wink:



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16 Apr 2019, 2:20 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
I've had plenty thanks. But the lies need to stop. This is serious business.


As far as I know, I've only spoken the truth.


Well then it's time to find other sources for news. The lies from the establishment media channels are getting more and more insane by the day. It's now even gone past Alex Jones/David Icke level or lunacy. Once their lies fall apart they just double down and fund even more outrageous lies and conspiracy theories.


I'll believe you when CNN and MSNBC claim children murdered in a school shooting had never existed, and that everyone else were "crisis actors."


hear hear, so far it's only been stuff like fake dossiers, nonexistent "pee tapes" and a collusion hoax. Nazis everywhere. The world is coming to an end in a few years. Oh and that racist kid who attacked a veteran by smiling at him.


Who says all that stuff is fake? Trump and company is who, and thus the why is evident.


It is all fake. The burden of truth is on those making the fake claims. CNN and the rest of them pushed the 'gas attacks' in Syria that were all carried out by the Jihadists or were fake. And the Iraq lies, babies out of incubators. You just keep deflecting.


We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


And nothing came of it. Where as Clinton meeting and paying foreign agents provided the fake Steele Dossier. She told bankers she would be their candidate. She took money From Russia to sell off American uranium. She took money From Goldman Sachs, Over $600,000. She took money from the Saudis while saying she knew they fund ISIS. She said the US needed to remove Assad for Israel. If she had have won you'd be silent about it all as you are now. Meeting Russians at a f**king tower is nothing. And Trump is a crook, not Russian puppet. He's an Israeli puppet. Netanyahu sleeps in his son in law's bed bed!! ! ! Netanyahu boasted about his control over Trump during the election campaign. And him joking around about hacking emails is nothing. Bill Binney has proved the emails were leaked. Seriously, enough of the BS.


If Trump is a puppet of your sworn enemy, Israel, why support him?
That uranium deal was looked into, and Clinton was cleared.
I was never thrilled with Clinton's connection to Wall Street; I just preferred her to Trump.
Clinton wasn't elected, so who cares.
Trump was not exonerated by Mueller. The fat lady has yet to sing.


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16 Apr 2019, 2:29 pm

All US Presidents dance to Israel's tune. It's just Trump genuinely supports Israel, which I have more respect for. And he was a trillion times better than Hillary. She's a bigger Israeli puppet than him.
No it wasn't looked into and she never faced trial.
Yes he was. You can stay in denial, just give it a rest posting fake stories.


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