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13 Jul 2019, 9:23 pm

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but I think it would be a mistake to assume they have unlimited resources or no problems. For example a group of them could have lost a war and are fleeing their main society and need a nice habitable planet to settle down on.


If they are really advanced to make a trip to earth do you think they would also be unstable enough to be having squabbles (like we do on earth) with other aliens?



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13 Jul 2019, 9:26 pm

:roll: Wow.

Eight pages of comments that mostly boil down to: "I saw something in the sky, I don't know what it was, so it must be space aliens!"

This alone signals the imminent self-destruction of humanity as a species.



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13 Jul 2019, 9:32 pm

I call it educated speculation



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13 Jul 2019, 9:35 pm

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I call it educated speculation
Certainly not too much education.



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13 Jul 2019, 9:42 pm

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I call it educated speculation
Certainly not too much education.

I'm an experiencer and experienced night time UFO encounters from my bedroom for a period of couple of years consistently for 2 yrs during which time my 5 yr old sister managed to sleep walk and unlock doors and find herself sleeping in a nearby park on multiple occasions. Coincidentally my brother was having nosebleeds during this exact phase of time. When the night time encounters finished so did my siblings weird experiences. I was only 8-9 yrs old at the time so even I question the fidelity of the experiences but continue to keep an open mind.



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13 Jul 2019, 11:26 pm

My dad has seen UFOs multiple times, supposedly, but I don't know the details of his stories.



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13 Jul 2019, 11:31 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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but I think it would be a mistake to assume they have unlimited resources or no problems. For example a group of them could have lost a war and are fleeing their main society and need a nice habitable planet to settle down on.


If they are really advanced to make a trip to earth do you think they would also be unstable enough to be having squabbles (like we do on earth) with other aliens?


Given none of us know, I wouldn't rule it out. Assuming an advanced civilization is still suffering problems is just as reasonable as assuming an advanced civilization is a peaceful utopia.


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14 Jul 2019, 12:03 am

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but I think it would be a mistake to assume they have unlimited resources or no problems. For example a group of them could have lost a war and are fleeing their main society and need a nice habitable planet to settle down on.


If they are really advanced to make a trip to earth do you think they would also be unstable enough to be having squabbles (like we do on earth) with other aliens?


Given none of us know, I wouldn't rule it out. Assuming an advanced civilization is still suffering problems is just as reasonable as assuming an advanced civilization is a peaceful utopia.

IDK...If they have evolved beyond us humans then you would think space/resources aren't really an issue anymore to fight over



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14 Jul 2019, 12:26 am

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but I think it would be a mistake to assume they have unlimited resources or no problems. For example a group of them could have lost a war and are fleeing their main society and need a nice habitable planet to settle down on.


If they are really advanced to make a trip to earth do you think they would also be unstable enough to be having squabbles (like we do on earth) with other aliens?


Given none of us know, I wouldn't rule it out. Assuming an advanced civilization is still suffering problems is just as reasonable as assuming an advanced civilization is a peaceful utopia.

IDK...If they have evolved beyond us humans then you would think space/resources aren't really an issue anymore to fight over


On one hand no society in the history of known society (or nature) has existed without conflict. On the other hand most conflict is driven by resource scarcity. If any society is post-scarcity it would be an advanced interstellar one. Now just because a society has developed interstellar travel doesn't mean they are no longer resource limited. I'd bet on conflict, but it is possible in a post-scarcity that's not the case.


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14 Jul 2019, 12:28 am

Regardless many people have seen UFo's though so it cannot be so easily denied. I mean one night I saw some interesting 'orbs' its the only way I can describe it. LIke these things fell down like those fireworks that leave a stream so i kind of thought they were just fireworks someone put off.

But then these things, thes orbs of fire unlike fireworks they did not disperse the floated around, flashing around in sequence that is when I ran into where my dad was staying and was like 'hey you have to come out and see this, there are UFO's He's always been interested in that kind of stuff so I had to run in and go get him to see the things in the sky. It was cool we saw things that looked kind of like shooting stars but then they just danced around in the sky while sometimes leaving a comet like tail but whenever they stopped dancing the tails kind of disappeared and then they just floated off. It was such a cool thing to see but I have no idea what would explain it, I have never heard of sky orbs being a typical event so it was really cool to see, but I have no idea what the scientific explanation for that might be. I don't think it could have been a hallucination because my dad saw it to, I went in to go get him then he came out and saw it to.

I mean its a thing we saw, and I have no idea how to explain it, never saw anything like that before...but IDK what the explanation is but we saw it with our own eyes, so I mean it was something...we just don't know what. I mean 4 orbs stopped above us and did a pattern of their lights that seemed in sequence but we did not feel threatened we had the feeling whatever they were...they were just looking at our world.

I have no idea what it was, but those orbs did not seem like they were native to this planet....more like they were just checking it out. That probably sounds super crazy but that is what we saw.


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14 Jul 2019, 3:06 am

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On the other hand most conflict is driven by resource scarcity. If any society is post-scarcity it would be an advanced interstellar one. Now just because a society has developed interstellar travel doesn't mean they are no longer resource limited. I'd bet on conflict, but it is possible in a post-scarcity that's not the case.


I'd also bet if an advanced interstellar society needed an earth-like planet they might have already discovered us a long long time ago. Remember that even now in our primitive state we are able to pin point the location of earth-like planets in the galaxy based on their orbit being in the "goldilocks" zone.



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14 Jul 2019, 3:11 am

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I have no idea what it was, but those orbs did not seem like they were native to this planet....more like they were just checking it out. That probably sounds super crazy but that is what we saw.


Yeah what I saw on the West Australian coast were orbs flying over the coast from my bedroom window. I used to sit and watch these between 1977-1978 between the ages 8-9. It was so frequent (like every few days) that I began to normalise their presence. They always appeared when everyone was asleep except the local dogs would go nuts barking. I was reluctant to discuss it with my parents as they would have never believed me.



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14 Jul 2019, 5:26 am

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Actually the late astrophysicist Stephen Hawking thought the Voyager spacecraft and radio signals eminating from earth will unnecessarily attract aliens who might want to do us harm
https://www.space.com/29999-stephen-haw ... anger.html

But frankly if there were aliens floating around outside out solar system I doubt they would need Voyager to inform them theres life on earth. Just illustrates us humans unnecessarily project our own limitations on the rest of the universe.

by the time our RF signals propagate to about 1 light year's distance [beyond the thickness of the OORT cloud relative to earth] they are thoroughly dissipated, frequency modulated on top of that, too weak and corrupted to decode.



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14 Jul 2019, 8:38 am

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Actually the late astrophysicist Stephen Hawking thought the Voyager spacecraft and radio signals eminating from earth will unnecessarily attract aliens who might want to do us harm
https://www.space.com/29999-stephen-haw ... anger.html

But frankly if there were aliens floating around outside out solar system I doubt they would need Voyager to inform them theres life on earth. Just illustrates us humans unnecessarily project our own limitations on the rest of the universe.

by the time our RF signals propagate to about 1 light year's distance [beyond the thickness of the OORT cloud relative to earth] they are thoroughly dissipated, frequency modulated on top of that, too weak and corrupted to decode.


Yes I do wonder if SETI know whether RF signals retain their integrity beyond 1 light year? but there again to aliens our blue planet must stick out like a "sore thumb" in this part of the galaxy with all the racket we are making.



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15 Jul 2019, 5:57 am

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Actually the late astrophysicist Stephen Hawking thought the Voyager spacecraft and radio signals eminating from earth will unnecessarily attract aliens who might want to do us harm
https://www.space.com/29999-stephen-haw ... anger.html

But frankly if there were aliens floating around outside out solar system I doubt they would need Voyager to inform them theres life on earth. Just illustrates us humans unnecessarily project our own limitations on the rest of the universe.

by the time our RF signals propagate to about 1 light year's distance [beyond the thickness of the OORT cloud relative to earth] they are thoroughly dissipated, frequency modulated on top of that, too weak and corrupted to decode.


Yes I do wonder if SETI know whether RF signals retain their integrity beyond 1 light year? but there again to aliens our blue planet must stick out like a "sore thumb" in this part of the galaxy with all the racket we are making.

i read about how somebody plans to propel a micro craft with sensors towards the nearest star, using lasers which in theory could propel it to relativistic velocity, meaning according to plan, within 40 years, it would be able to report back to us what it sees and if programmed to do so, try to listen back at us to see if our racket is still very loud at that distance. i hope they do that last part more than anything else. even though i won't be around to learn of the results.



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15 Jul 2019, 6:14 am

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it would be able to report back to us what it sees and if programmed to do so, try to listen back at us to see if our racket is still very loud at that distance. i hope they do that last part more than anything else. even though i won't be around to learn of the results.


For that reason alone I would cyborg myself for the opportunity

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