Trump asks 3M to stop selling N95 masks to Canada

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03 Apr 2020, 6:01 pm

Hotspots *right now* but the rest of the country isn’t doing all the right mitigation things to prevent their cities from experiencing the same, so they’re just a few weeks behind having too many cases than their smaller medical systems can handle.

NYC is a huge hotspot, but at least they have a large medical system - albeit fragmented, or at least exists. It won’t take nearly as many cases in a smaller city to overwhelm a smaller medical system and have a high death toll.

It’s going to be like playing whack-a-mole trying to move FEMA hospitals around the country as needed. I fear that by the time they get set up they won’t be treating patients, they’ll all be morgues handling overflow of bodies.


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03 Apr 2020, 6:02 pm

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1) We don’t get “free,” healthcare. We all pay for it via taxes. We just don’t pay out of pocket when we go, and as a result we pay less on average than Americans for similar care and are all covered by our Provincial insurance policies. But my point is it isn’t FREE, we just pay less for it at a different time vs paying more out of pocket at time of services rendered.


Sorry, yes. That's what I meant. Of course it's paid by taxes but people with corona wouldn't face an additional cost for seeing their GP, getting a diagnosis, going to respiratory therapy, or staying in hospital ... even for months. There would be no payment out-of-pocket for this type of care, whereas in America people could lose their homes or go bankrupt.

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I know that the Americans wouldn't be refused treatment, but they would go broke trying to pay the bills. Many people would avoid hospital care altogether to avoid medical bankruptcy. The choice between "feed my child" or "see my doctor" shouldn't be so difficult for any human being, especially with a deadly and communicable disease.


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03 Apr 2020, 6:03 pm

We shall see how this pans out.

The West Coast states are well on their way to flattening the curve.



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03 Apr 2020, 6:05 pm

I did mention that many would go into massive medical debt.

The credit bureaus have addresses this somewhat. Medical debt is not considered as much of a “debt” as credit card debt.



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03 Apr 2020, 6:07 pm

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We shall see how this pans out.

The West Coast states are well on their way to flattening the curve.


What’s so different about how the west coast states are managing this than the east?


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03 Apr 2020, 6:09 pm

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I did mention that many would go into massive medical debt.

The credit bureaus have addresses this somewhat. Medical debt is not considered as much of a “debt” as credit card debt.


I still think Canada is doing more for their citizens, because Canadians don't incur medical debt. Assuming there are hospital beds available, there is no cost to worry about. I'd rather have that provision, than $1200.00 and a kiss goodbye by the government if I got sick.


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03 Apr 2020, 6:13 pm

India didn’t ban selling medicine to just the US.They are keeping enough for their own population.I don’t see anyone hating on them for doing right by their people.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnew ... cna1171946


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03 Apr 2020, 6:14 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I did mention that many would go into massive medical debt.

The credit bureaus have addresses this somewhat. Medical debt is not considered as much of a “debt” as credit card debt.


I still think Canada is doing more for their citizens, because Canadians don't incur medical debt. Assuming there are hospital beds available, there is no cost to worry about. I'd rather have that provision, than $1200.00 and a kiss goodbye by the government if I got sick.


Shhh, America is the best and Canada is a 3rd world country suckling on their teet. ;)


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03 Apr 2020, 6:15 pm

I agree with you. Canada is doing more.

I have advocated for national health insurance.



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03 Apr 2020, 6:18 pm

Now you’re using hyperbole, Goldfish. I don’t think of Canada that way.

Look at the stats. California had only 41 more deaths; whereas NYC has 300 more deaths today.



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03 Apr 2020, 6:20 pm

Since I've already derailed I have a question for you Goldfish.

Do Canadians who are on Disability get any form of COVID stimulus money? I'm referring to adults who have never worked because of disability, or adults who worked at one point in their lives but became disabled and no longer work? I'm curious. It seems that low income families get money, but only if they are "unemployed" or they lost work because of COVID-19.

What about those who weren't working because of disability?


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03 Apr 2020, 7:02 pm

Misslizard wrote:
India didn’t ban selling medicine to just the US.They are keeping enough for their own population.I don’t see anyone hating on them for doing right by their people.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnew ... cna1171946


1. I did as are brown, so it’s due racist :roll:
2. Hating in America is so fun :roll:


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03 Apr 2020, 7:08 pm

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Since I've already derailed I have a question for you Goldfish.

Do Canadians who are on Disability get any form of COVID stimulus money? I'm referring to adults who have never worked because of disability, or adults who worked at one point in their lives but became disabled and no longer work? I'm curious. It seems that low income families get money, but only if they are "unemployed" or they lost work because of COVID-19.

What about those who weren't working because of disability?


Yes. It may not replace lost part time job income that they’re allowed to make or side hustle cash they were making, but people on disability are automatically getting an additional $300 for 3 months. (April, May, June) This is in BC for sure but not sure if it’s nationwide or not. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/fami ... ance/covid


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03 Apr 2020, 7:13 pm

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IsabellaLinton wrote:
Since I've already derailed I have a question for you Goldfish.

Do Canadians who are on Disability get any form of COVID stimulus money? I'm referring to adults who have never worked because of disability, or adults who worked at one point in their lives but became disabled and no longer work? I'm curious. It seems that low income families get money, but only if they are "unemployed" or they lost work because of COVID-19.

What about those who weren't working because of disability?


Yes. It may not replace lost part time job income that they’re allowed to make or side hustle cash they were making, but people on disability are automatically getting an additional $300 for 3 months. (April, May, June) This is in BC for sure but not sure if it’s nationwide or not. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/fami ... ance/covid


Thanks. That's interesting. What is "Disability Assistance" ?

Is that paid by BC or by the federal government?

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03 Apr 2020, 7:18 pm

sly279 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
India didn’t ban selling medicine to just the US.They are keeping enough for their own population.I don’t see anyone hating on them for doing right by their people.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnew ... cna1171946


1. I did as are brown, so it’s due racist :roll:
2. Hating in America is so fun :roll:


Why assume they hate America, perhaps they just love their own citizens. Doesn't a national government have an obligation to it's citizens?

You're really not substantiating your point that racism is at all relevant to the decision.


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03 Apr 2020, 7:20 pm

India has 1.3 billion people.