Kraichgauer
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10 Apr 2020, 7:28 pm
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10 Apr 2020, 7:31 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
There were in fact plenty of white southerners who had fought on the side of the Union, either with the Union army, or by carrying on guerilla warfare within the Confederacy. Other than the movie, Free State Of Jones, who honors them?
OK,
Your it.
Take a gander at the following:
Quote:
Slavery in the United States was the legal institution of human chattel enslavement, primarily of Africans and African Americans, that existed in the United States of America from the beginning of the nation in 1776 until passage of the Thirteenth Amendment in 1865. Slavery had been practiced in British America from early colonial days, and was legal in all thirteen colonies at the time of the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Under the law, an enslaved person was treated as property and could be bought, sold, or given away. Slavery lasted in about half of U.S. states until 1865. As an economic system, slavery was largely replaced by sharecropping and convict leasing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_i ... ted_States
Is it safe to say that all of America, initially, embraced the concept of slavery?
Constitutionally, it did.
While slavery in the constitution was guaranteed for the sake of slave owners, there were plenty of the founders who saw it as an immoral compromise.
And yet it was still in the constitution.
The people in power had the power to change that, but they didn't, at that time.
American history has to wear it,
Because it did happen.
Thankfully, Australia's history is squeaky clean. Err.
Absolutely America has to "wear it." But that's where liberals and many conservatives differ, as those on the further reaches of the right insist that remembering the sins of the past like slavery only incites racism - - from blacks. The people I'm talking about are the ones who insist there is no real racism anymore, and that the real racism is directed at whites.
Frankly I think liberals generally hate white male heterosexual Christians while conservatives hate everyone else. Sorry but I calls it as I sees it.
10 Apr 2020, 7:32 pm
10 Apr 2020, 7:32 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
There were in fact plenty of white southerners who had fought on the side of the Union, either with the Union army, or by carrying on guerilla warfare within the Confederacy. Other than the movie, Free State Of Jones, who honors them?
OK,
Your it.
Take a gander at the following:
Quote:
Slavery in the United States was the legal institution of human chattel enslavement, primarily of Africans and African Americans, that existed in the United States of America from the beginning of the nation in 1776 until passage of the Thirteenth Amendment in 1865. Slavery had been practiced in British America from early colonial days, and was legal in all thirteen colonies at the time of the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Under the law, an enslaved person was treated as property and could be bought, sold, or given away. Slavery lasted in about half of U.S. states until 1865. As an economic system, slavery was largely replaced by sharecropping and convict leasing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_i ... ted_States
Is it safe to say that all of America, initially, embraced the concept of slavery?
Constitutionally, it did.
While slavery in the constitution was guaranteed for the sake of slave owners, there were plenty of the founders who saw it as an immoral compromise.
And yet it was still in the constitution.
The people in power had the power to change that, but they didn't, at that time.
American history has to wear it,
Because it did happen.
Thankfully, Australia's history is squeaky clean. Err.
Absolutely America has to "wear it." But that's where liberals and many conservatives differ, as those on the further reaches of the right insist that remembering the sins of the past like slavery only incites racism - - from blacks. The people I'm talking about are the ones who insist there is no real racism anymore, and that the real racism is directed at whites.
I was under the impression that tribalism/racism was an inherent aspect of the human psyche, due to the evolutionary process.
It is simply a case of managing "The Disease", amongst many other undesirable traits which humanity has accumulated over the eons?
And, btw, open racism does happen against the "whites", also.
Just look at what is happening in Africa, and other areas, particularly in social media.
10 Apr 2020, 7:34 pm
10 Apr 2020, 7:41 pm
10 Apr 2020, 7:45 pm
Tw1ggy wrote:
Frankly I think liberals generally hate white male heterosexual Christians while conservatives hate everyone else. Sorry but I calls it as I sees it.
white female heterosexual christian conservatives like Anne Coulter aren't on my christmas card list either
Kraichgauer
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10 Apr 2020, 7:47 pm
Tw1ggy wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
There were in fact plenty of white southerners who had fought on the side of the Union, either with the Union army, or by carrying on guerilla warfare within the Confederacy. Other than the movie, Free State Of Jones, who honors them?
OK,
Your it.
Take a gander at the following:
Quote:
Slavery in the United States was the legal institution of human chattel enslavement, primarily of Africans and African Americans, that existed in the United States of America from the beginning of the nation in 1776 until passage of the Thirteenth Amendment in 1865. Slavery had been practiced in British America from early colonial days, and was legal in all thirteen colonies at the time of the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Under the law, an enslaved person was treated as property and could be bought, sold, or given away. Slavery lasted in about half of U.S. states until 1865. As an economic system, slavery was largely replaced by sharecropping and convict leasing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_i ... ted_States
Is it safe to say that all of America, initially, embraced the concept of slavery?
Constitutionally, it did.
While slavery in the constitution was guaranteed for the sake of slave owners, there were plenty of the founders who saw it as an immoral compromise.
And yet it was still in the constitution.
The people in power had the power to change that, but they didn't, at that time.
American history has to wear it,
Because it did happen.
Thankfully, Australia's history is squeaky clean. Err.
Absolutely America has to "wear it." But that's where liberals and many conservatives differ, as those on the further reaches of the right insist that remembering the sins of the past like slavery only incites racism - - from blacks. The people I'm talking about are the ones who insist there is no real racism anymore, and that the real racism is directed at whites.
Frankly I think liberals generally hate white male heterosexual Christians while conservatives hate everyone else. Sorry but I calls it as I sees it.
I'm a liberal, white, hetero man who also happens to be a Christian. There a lot more of us than many people realize.
10 Apr 2020, 7:47 pm
Pepe wrote:
I was under the impression that tribalism/racism was an inherent aspect of the human psyche, due to the evolutionary process.
It is simply a case of managing "The Disease", amongst many other undesirable traits which humanity has accumulated over the eons?
And, btw, open racism does happen against the "whites", also.
Just look at what is happening in Africa, and other areas, particularly in social media.
I actually have to agree with this given my experience living in Albany, GA as the only white guy in a group home and getting violently attacked by a resident who smashed my TV and called me a "pussyass cracker" and having a roommate who hated me for the color of my skin too despite the fact that I tried to be nice to him and share my snacks with him.
10 Apr 2020, 7:47 pm
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Kraichgauer
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Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
10 Apr 2020, 7:56 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
There were in fact plenty of white southerners who had fought on the side of the Union, either with the Union army, or by carrying on guerilla warfare within the Confederacy. Other than the movie, Free State Of Jones, who honors them?
OK,
Your it.
Take a gander at the following:
Quote:
Slavery in the United States was the legal institution of human chattel enslavement, primarily of Africans and African Americans, that existed in the United States of America from the beginning of the nation in 1776 until passage of the Thirteenth Amendment in 1865. Slavery had been practiced in British America from early colonial days, and was legal in all thirteen colonies at the time of the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Under the law, an enslaved person was treated as property and could be bought, sold, or given away. Slavery lasted in about half of U.S. states until 1865. As an economic system, slavery was largely replaced by sharecropping and convict leasing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_i ... ted_States
Is it safe to say that all of America, initially, embraced the concept of slavery?
Constitutionally, it did.
While slavery in the constitution was guaranteed for the sake of slave owners, there were plenty of the founders who saw it as an immoral compromise.
And yet it was still in the constitution.
The people in power had the power to change that, but they didn't, at that time.
American history has to wear it,
Because it did happen.
Thankfully, Australia's history is squeaky clean. Err.
Absolutely America has to "wear it." But that's where liberals and many conservatives differ, as those on the further reaches of the right insist that remembering the sins of the past like slavery only incites racism - - from blacks. The people I'm talking about are the ones who insist there is no real racism anymore, and that the real racism is directed at whites.
I was under the impression that tribalism/racism was an inherent aspect of the human psyche, due to the evolutionary process.
It is simply a case of managing "The Disease", amongst many other undesirable traits which humanity has accumulated over the eons?
And, btw, open racism does happen against the "whites", also.
Just look at what is happening in Africa, and other areas, particularly in social media.
Yes, tribalism is a cancer on the human soul, from as long as there have been humans. That could manifest itself in loyalty to an ethnicity, a country or nation, a religion, a political ideology, or region. And I'll freely admit that I've in the past known irrational prejudices, but I also know that such divisive emotions can be overcome.
Kraichgauer
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