Sweden the only country with Correct Approach to CVD-19

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I did moderate the tone of the post to say Sweden's approach has drawbacks which is understandable given the 3000 deaths,

But 70% of Swedes still support its policy...why?

Perhaps another explanation is that Sweden has a very different way of perceiving the current crisis. Instead of seeing it as a national emergency or a fight against an “invisible enemy”, there seems to be a tendency to regard coronavirus just as a serious public health problem. It is viewed as something that requires the careful observance of rules set out by health experts, rather than an existential problem that calls for the state to suspend civil liberties for the sake of national security.

Uuuh, that’s what every country has done.. except the rules set out by health experts in Sweden weren’t effective. They f****d up hardcore and their people are dying for it.

Seems pretty sh***y to me that 70% of their population supports their approach considering the result of it is twice the USA’s death rate. I honestly thought that more than 70% would disapprove. I know I certainly would. But then again, I don’t perceive respecting public health as taking away freedoms & civil liberties.

Nope.

Best I can figure is they don’t want to admit they f****d up so they’re just doubling down and sticking with what they decided so they can try to save face with their citizens.

I think the spirit of their approach is good but the population didn't follow advice about social distancing and particularly protection of nursing homes where the bulk of the 3000 deaths are in.

Conversely the US had lockdown + social distancing + mandatory facemasks and yet their death toll is now > 100,000 which accounts for 28% of all deaths globally from the pandemic. Hardly a ringing endorsement. At least the Swedes enjoyed individual freedoms and minimal job losses.

Hard to protect nursing homes when employees are out and about amongst people not distancing. No idea if people were allowed to continue visiting seniors homes there or ??

USA did too little too late AND many Americans completely ignored rules & guidelines and continue to do so. The USA is a terrible example of a country that successfully implemented lockdown measures to mitigate the virus. There are, however, other examples around the world where governments put hard rules in place And people abused by them and thus the net results are low death tolls.

Before you go on any further the countries you were about to praise (e.g. Germany, South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan) experienced a resurgence/spoke in deaths when they removed/lessened the lockdowns in their country.

Sweden views it in absolute numbers, not ratios. The total number is still low compared to other European countries. They also have a strong belief in the central bureaucracy to which the institute of public health belongs (the one basically in charge of the covid response). Rather than criticising it, it is deemed near infallible and instead foreign statistics are doubted. There might also be a sense of public pride involved since the bureaucreats belong to the "general public" - they are not politicians.

Singapore, Taiwan, Germany, and South Korea experienced spikes....but relatively minor ones.

South Korean "spikes" are of the order of 40 new infections a day in a country of 50 million.
I wish we had such "spikes" here.

The idea is to prevent needless deaths. Human life > some cog in a corporate machine. And you can’t educate dead children. Delays in education > dead or damaged kids.

In hindsight, every country could have done even better at mitigating hotspots for transmission in their country. That’s the nature of hindsight.

Really? Trump blocking more Chinese from entering the USA would have prevented their coronavirus cases that mostly came from the European mutation?

Lockdown means those fleeing Europe (and those feeling via China) should have been put in forcible self-isolation. Individuals who did not comply simply waltzed into shops/restaurants/train subways infecting hundreds. This is a failure of many governments but Trump is one of the worst (I am surprised you of all people are defending him).

On the matter of kids the death rate for children is negligible. They are in more danger from the winter flu than from COVID-19

I wasn’t defending trump, just calling out how stupid anti Chinese sentiment is when the virus mostly entered the USA via Europeans, not Chinese. I don’t like the anti Chinese racial hate crimes going on here in Canada and the USA over this. It’s totally fine not to like the Chinese governments’ handling of coronavirus, but it’s completely unacceptable to lash out against Asian Canadians or Asian Americans with insults or violence.

Kids can still suffer permanent organ damage or be killed. And even though the death rate is lower for children, they can still spread it to people it’s more likely to kill. We should still try to prevent children from getting it vs let it just run rampant like colds and things tend to amongst kids.

I really don't know how harassing Koreans or Hong Kong diaspora, or Japanese or Filipinos has to do with anger towards the PRC government, but it's not like horrible people actually believe their own excuses.

We all know the communist regime's attempt to hide COVID-19 and their attempts to intimidate countries that are actually trying to conduct legitimate investigation to find the source of the virus.

What is perhaps less known is that millions of Chinese citizens from OECD countries who went back to China for Chinese new year celebrations knowing there was a risk of infection and then tried en masse to slip back into the US and Australia and other OECD countries carrying the virus. I know the majority of those infected earliest were from China and then of course second was the tourists on cruise ships/aeroplanes.

Well I am finally vindicated

Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology in the Department of Zoology at the University of Oxford, told The Australian newspaper that Australia should copy Sweden’s herd immunity strategy because our “selfish” lockdown approach is not working.

She said if we let the virus — which 80 to 90 per cent of the population will only get asymptomatically — spread naturally, with strong protections for those most vulnerable, it would protect all Australians from future viral threats and save our economy.

“There is no way lockdown can eliminate the virus … and so it’s not at all surprising once you lift lockdown in areas it will flare up again,” she said.

“That is what we are seeing in the southern United States, and in Australia. In places where it has already swept through, a proportion of people are immune and you are not seeing it come back.’’
By comparison, she said Sweden’s social-distancing approach has resulted in greater protections for the entire region because Scandinavia now had high levels of immunity.

I was beginning to think the world has gone mad??

I still don’t think almost anyone else is going to agree that this is the best option. Or they’d be doing it instead of trying to avoid getting the virus while treatments/vaccines are developed.