27 Aug 2021, 2:31 am
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Is rational thinking like critical thinking rather than groupthink? 
Close... This may help (or may not):
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rational thinking is about giving reasons; critical thinking is about using rationality to figure out what to believe.
Source: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-rational-thinking-and-critical-thinkingQuote:
What is critical thinking? Critical thinking has been defined in many ways, but is essentially the process of deliberate, systematic and logical thinking on any subject, while considering bias or assumptions that may affect your discussion.
https://student.unsw.edu.au › critical-thinking
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Rational thinking is our ability to draw justifiable conclusions from data, rules, and logic.
This means doing research and using information available to make the most rational decision.
This means doing research and using information available to make the most rational decision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMoItVbkGfw
They look pretty close to me.
27 Aug 2021, 2:34 am
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27 Aug 2021, 2:56 am
Brictoria wrote:
We (and probably most people who interact with us) know it isn't me who, of the 2 of us, is the hyperpartisan on this site...
Being objective and doing the hard yakka research to discover the facts, is not a sign of hyperpartisanship.
Engaging in groupthink, selectively presenting information that only supports a particular political point of view while rejecting valid equivalency on the other side of the political divide (confirmation bias) and relying on gut feelings, fits the bill, however.
27 Aug 2021, 3:04 am
27 Aug 2021, 3:06 am
DW_a_mom wrote:
The nineties were already very different from the seventies and eighties. After the rise of Fox and Limbaugh, everyone realized there was money to be made in using trigger words. But it sounds like you've gone to a deeper source than I have, so hopefully you already get the point I was in-eloquently trying to make: that maybe some people feel cast adrift from the news and scholarship in part because they've been taught to distrust it, that profiteers want them to feel disassociated.
I really should research "Fox News".
Amerians seem to think it is the same as Australia's Sky News.
I find that hard to believe, but the rational thing would be to see for myself.
27 Aug 2021, 3:19 am
Pepe wrote:
I really should research "Fox News".
Amerians seem to think it is the same as Australia's Sky News.
I find that hard to believe, but the rational thing would be to see for myself.
Amerians seem to think it is the same as Australia's Sky News.
I find that hard to believe, but the rational thing would be to see for myself.
The straight news isn't too bad, it's biased in about the same way to the right as conventional news is to the left, actually less so than MSNBC and Trump era CNN, it's the opinion stuff you've got to be careful with. Tucker, for all of his many faults, has actually been doing a pretty good job of bringing on heterodox lefties lately, notably Glenn Greenwald and Micheal Tracy, which I view as a positive development, giving his audience exposure to anti-woke liberals is a good thing as it helps expand their intellectual horizons. Greenwald in particular is interesting, as he's been a staunch critic of the national security state since the W era, but has fallen out of favor with the left because he stayed consistent and savaged Obama for his drone war and debunked a lot of the Russian collusion stuff, which got him blackballed from most liberal media.
27 Aug 2021, 5:40 pm
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
The nineties were already very different from the seventies and eighties. After the rise of Fox and Limbaugh, everyone realized there was money to be made in using trigger words. But it sounds like you've gone to a deeper source than I have, so hopefully you already get the point I was in-eloquently trying to make: that maybe some people feel cast adrift from the news and scholarship in part because they've been taught to distrust it, that profiteers want them to feel disassociated.
I really should research "Fox News".
Amerians seem to think it is the same as Australia's Sky News.
I find that hard to believe, but the rational thing would be to see for myself.
well Im canadian and think it looks quite simalar to fox news,sharing similar moronizms..
27 Aug 2021, 8:04 pm
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31 Aug 2021, 1:10 pm
31 Aug 2021, 9:16 pm
The_Znof wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
The nineties were already very different from the seventies and eighties. After the rise of Fox and Limbaugh, everyone realized there was money to be made in using trigger words. But it sounds like you've gone to a deeper source than I have, so hopefully you already get the point I was in-eloquently trying to make: that maybe some people feel cast adrift from the news and scholarship in part because they've been taught to distrust it, that profiteers want them to feel disassociated.
I really should research "Fox News".
Amerians seem to think it is the same as Australia's Sky News.
I find that hard to believe, but the rational thing would be to see for myself.
well Im canadian and think it looks quite simalar to fox news,sharing similar moronizms..
Using emotive language damages your credibility coinage.
31 Aug 2021, 10:41 pm
Dox47 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Hope you are not comparing Galileo with anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers and climate conspiracy theorists. He would be rolling in his grave.
How would you know? Heliocentricism was the conspiracy theory of it's day, 180° from the scientific consensus and considered so dangerous it had to be suppressed.
Heliocentricism was actually known by the ancient Egyptians (among other non-European cultures) and by philosophers who travelled to Alexandria to learn from them. The Christian church forbade any idea that didn't put the earth at the centre of the universe as it conflicted with biblical scripture that god was preoccupied with our planet when he created the earth as if the rest of the universe didn't count
. It was the orthodox church that finally lynched the last heliocentrists and burned down the library of Alexander sweeping the ash of knowledge and history under the carpet. So Galilieo wan't a conspiracist, he was using empirical knowledge and the scientific method.
The people getting thrown off social media and other platforms are crazy/tin foil hat people and deserve to be thrown off for contaminating media airwaves with talk of anti-mask, ant-vaccination rubbish that leads to deaths.
31 Aug 2021, 11:18 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Heliocentricism was actually known by the ancient Egyptians (among other non-European cultures) and by philosophers who travelled to Alexandria to learn from them. The Christian church forbade any idea that didn't put the earth at the centre of the universe as it conflicted with biblical scripture that god was preoccupied with our planet when he created the earth as if the rest of the universe didn't count . It was the orthodox church that finally lynched the last heliocentrists and burned down the library of Alexander sweeping the ash of knowledge and history under the carpet.
So Galilieo wan't a conspiracist, he was using empirical knowledge and the scientific method.
The people getting thrown off social media and other platforms are crazy/tin foil hat people and deserve to be thrown off for contaminating media airwaves with talk of anti-mask, ant-vaccination rubbish that leads to deaths.
. It was the orthodox church that finally lynched the last heliocentrists and burned down the library of Alexander sweeping the ash of knowledge and history under the carpet. So Galilieo wan't a conspiracist, he was using empirical knowledge and the scientific method.
The people getting thrown off social media and other platforms are crazy/tin foil hat people and deserve to be thrown off for contaminating media airwaves with talk of anti-mask, ant-vaccination rubbish that leads to deaths.
How is that different than social media companies, who are not scientists, deciding what is and is not factual, and suppressing information that doesn't conform to current orthodoxy, even as they're shown to have gotten it wrong over and over?
01 Sep 2021, 12:38 am
