Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp: Score Keeping and Color

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01 Jun 2022, 3:10 pm

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Ms. Heard is whining about her stifled free speech rights, but what she does not seem to understand is that the jury unanimously determined that she had lied in her claims and during her testimony.  Free speech is still intact; lying about someone for financial gain (or just to "Win the Breakup") is simply wrong.
The lying is really the crux of this thing. The official verdict should be Amber Heard guilty of lying and framing.
For defamation, you do not have to be exactly right.  The law gives a lot of freedom to be pretty close if the gist of what is said is true.  Going into the trial, Amber Heard had a pretty low burden -- all she had to prove is that on one occasion there was domestic violence, just once.  That is all it would have taken.  She did not have to prove it every single time, and she could not prove it even once.

Now she is running damage control to "prove" she is justifiably innocent in the Court of Public Opinion.



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01 Jun 2022, 3:32 pm

Fnord wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Ms. Heard is whining about her stifled free speech rights, but what she does not seem to understand is that the jury unanimously determined that she had lied in her claims and during her testimony.  Free speech is still intact; lying about someone for financial gain (or just to "Win the Breakup") is simply wrong.
The lying is really the crux of this thing. The official verdict should be Amber Heard guilty of lying and framing.
For defamation, you do not have to be exactly right.  The law gives a lot of freedom to be pretty close if the gist of what is said is true.  Going into the trial, Amber Heard had a pretty low burden -- all she had to prove is that on one occasion there was domestic violence, just once.  That is all it would have taken.  She did not have to prove it every single time, and she could not prove it even once.

Now she is running damage control to "prove" she is justifiably innocent in the Court of Public Opinion.


None of her stories add up, that's a problem, plus there are too many witnesses who know Johnny is not abusive.

Additionally, I heard someone on a social media account come out and mention that Amber Heard thinks that she is entitled and therefore better than everyone else. Additionally, she wants everyone to pay attention to her 24/7.



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01 Jun 2022, 3:34 pm

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For defamation, you do not have to be exactly right.  The law gives a lot of freedom to be pretty close if the gist of what is said is true.  Going into the trial, Amber Heard had a pretty low burden -- all she had to prove is that on one occasion there was domestic violence, just once.  That is all it would have taken.  She did not have to prove it every single time, and she could not prove it even once.

Now she is running damage control to "prove" she is justifiably innocent in the Court of Public Opinion.


None of her stories add up, that's a problem, plus there are too many witnesses who know Johnny is not abusive.

Additionally, I heard someone on a social media account come out and mention that Amber Heard thinks that she is entitled and therefore better than everyone else. Additionally, she wants everyone to pay attention to her 24/7.[/quote]

She looks smug and arrogant just by her body language. Always putting on a face.



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01 Jun 2022, 4:02 pm

The text of Mr. Depp's "Victory Speech" is given below.

Six years ago, my life, the life of my children, the lives of those closest to me, and also, the lives of the people who for many, many years have supported and believed in me were forever changed.

All in the blink of an eye.

False, very serious and criminal allegations were levied at me via the media, which triggered an endless barrage of hateful content, although no charges were ever brought against me. It had already traveled around the world twice within a nanosecond and it had a seismic impact on my life and my career.

And six years later, the jury gave me my life back. I am truly humbled.

My decision to pursue this case, knowing very well the height of the legal hurdles that I would be facing and the inevitable, worldwide spectacle into my life, was only made after considerable thought.

From the very beginning, the goal of bringing this case was to reveal the truth, regardless of the outcome. Speaking the truth was something that I owed to my children and to all those who have remained steadfast in their support of me. I feel at peace knowing I have finally accomplished that.

I am, and have been, overwhelmed by the outpouring of love and the colossal support and kindness from around the world. I hope that my quest to have the truth be told will have helped others, men or women, who have found themselves in my situation, and that those supporting them never give up. I also hope that the position will now return to innocent until proven guilty, both within the courts and in the media.

I wish to acknowledge the noble work of the Judge, the jurors, the court staff and the Sheriffs who have sacrificed their own time to get to this point, and to my diligent and unwavering legal team who did an extraordinary job in helping me to share the truth.

The best is yet to come and a new chapter has finally begun.

Veritas numquam perit.

Truth never perishes.



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01 Jun 2022, 4:03 pm

The Text of Ms. Heard's "Defeated Speech" (posted on Twitter) is given below:

The disappointment I feel today is beyond words.

I am heartbroken that the mountain of evidence still was not enough to stand up to the disproportionate power, influence, and sway of my ex-husband.

I'm even more disappointed with what this verdict means for other women. It is a setback. It sets back the clock to a time when a woman who spoke up and spoke out could be publicly shamed and humiliated. It sets back the idea that violence against women is to be taken seriously.

I believe Johnny's attorneys succeeded in getting the jury to overlook the key issue of Freedom of Speech and ignore evidence that was so conclusive that we won in the UK.

I'm sad I lost this case. But I am sadder still that I seem to have lost a right I thought I had as an American -- to speak freely and openly.



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01 Jun 2022, 4:12 pm

Beats me how she can say "I seem to have lost a right I thought I had as an American -- to speak freely and openly" after a six week public trial with massive media coverage -- where she spoke, freely and openly.


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01 Jun 2022, 4:13 pm

A few corrections are necessary:

A jury has found both Amber Heard and Johnny Depp liable for defamation in their lawsuits against each other.

Depp sued Heard, his ex-wife, for defamation over a 2018 op-ed she wrote for The Washington Post in which she described herself as a "public figure representing domestic abuse".  Though Depp was not named in the article, he claims it cost him lucrative acting roles.  Heard countersued her ex-husband for defamation over statements Depp's attorney made about her abuse claims.

The jury found that Heard defamed Depp in three separate statements in The Washington Post piece, and that Depp defamed Heard with one statement his attorney made.

The jury awarded Depp $10 million in compensatory damages and $5 million dollars in punitive damages.  The jury awarded Heard $2 million in compensatory damages and no money for punitive damages.


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01 Jun 2022, 4:20 pm

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Beats me how she can say "I seem to have lost a right I thought I had as an American -- to speak freely and openly" after a six week public trial with massive media coverage -- where she spoke, freely and openly.
When I get warned for something offensive I have posted, I do not try to hide behind the transparent lie of having my Free Speech rights violated.  Instead, I read through the warning and try to understand and learn from my own stupidity.

Ms. Heard seems to lack that desire.  She blames everyone but herself for Mr. Depp's victory.  This can only damage her credibility in the minds of people she relies on for acting roles and other employment.  She may have gotten Mr. Depp relieved of his "Pirates" role, but I doubt that many professionals (especially men) will ever want to work with her in the future.



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01 Jun 2022, 4:32 pm

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What she doesn't seem to understand is free speech does not mean to slander someone. If Depp hadn't been famous, she would have been fine with her lie because no one would have known. But when you are famous, people follow their personal lives so they knew who she was referring too so it destroyed his rep and his acting career. So she got sued. You can get sued for your personal opinion if it was; false, caused damages to that person's career and their rep. Even if you are being truthful, you can still get sued so you better have proof. She thought her false evidence was enough but it just showed what a liar she is and a bully. She thought she could fool everyone.


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01 Jun 2022, 4:40 pm

Can't tell if the $2M is a payment for "the performance", or a participation trophy. :lol: :lmao:

Let's get serious about BPD for a moment, that sh*t is very real. In her mind she's not a liar, she really felt that, even though it is not factually accurate.



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01 Jun 2022, 4:44 pm

Now he's gan doon the toon with Sam Fender!



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01 Jun 2022, 6:14 pm

Oot on a skite?



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01 Jun 2022, 7:41 pm

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Mr. Depp's award capped by the judge at $350,000.

Pocket change for Ms. Heard.


 Link to Newsweek Article 


The $350,000 capped amount was only for the punatitive damages: She was reducing this from the $5 million the jury awarded Mr Depp to the state's statutory cap on the amount for this.

This has no impact on the compensatory damages ($10 million) which the jury also awarded to him, so his total amount awarded was $10,350,000 to him, $2,000,000 against him.



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01 Jun 2022, 7:44 pm

I don't get how Depp got sued for something his lawyer said.



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01 Jun 2022, 7:49 pm

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I would make a good juror because like Sgt. Friday on Dragnet I just care about the facts, rather than who's who. And it seems clear to me that the defendant was lying and fabricating.


I am the same.
I used to think the majority of those on the spectrum are like this, also.
I have amended my thinking on this point, these days. 8)



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01 Jun 2022, 7:52 pm

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I don't get how Depp got sued for something his lawyer said.

The theory is that as he is Mr Depp's lawyer, what he said (or posted) was done on behalf of\at the request of Mr Depp, and so Mr Depp is the ultimate source of what was said.

Consider him as being treated as a "spokesperson" for Mr Depp with regards to the statements.