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25 May 2022, 7:55 pm

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We even sang this little song in grade school,
“ Glory, glory ,hallelujah ,teacher hit me with a ruler, I met her at the door with a loaded 44 ,she ain’t my teacher no more.”
Not one kid or teacher took this seriously.
I was also bullied and it never crossed my mind to kill my tormentors.I just had excessive absences.


Consider yourself lucky.

Am I the only person who can see a parallel between mass shootings and the process of disarming the citizens of all countries?

I suggest Amuurria buckles under and gives up their guns.
These atrocities will never end.
At least ban all assault-type rifles.
Isn't that a no-brainer?



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25 May 2022, 8:41 pm

The history of such incidents is rather interesting...

For example:

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The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indian entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only two children survived.

Then into the 1800's:
Quote:
The first known mass shooting in the U.S. where students were shot, was on April 9, 1891, when 70 year old, James Foster fired a shotgun at a group of students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, Newburgh, New York, causing minor injuries to several of the students. The majority of attacks during this time period by students on other students or teacher, usually involved stabbing with knives, or hitting with stones.


Compare this with:
Quote:
1900-1930s

There are very seldom reports of mass or multiple school shootings during the first three decades of the 20th Century, with the three most violent attacks on schools involving either arson or explosions.

Leading up to:
Quote:
1970s

The two most notable U.S. school shootings in the early 1970s were the Jackson State killings in May 1970, where police opened fire on the campus of Jackson State University and the Kent State shootings also in May 1970 where the National Guard opened fire on the campus of Kent State University.

The mid to late 1970s is considered the second most violent period in U.S. school history with a series of school shootings

ramping down:
Quote:
1980s

The early 1980s saw only a few multi-victim school shootings including

And onto:
Quote:
1990s

From the late 1980s to the early 1990s the United States saw a sharp increase in gun and gun violence in the schools. According to a survey conducted by The Harvard School of Public Health "15% said that they had carried a handgun on their person in the past 30 days, and 4% said that they had taken a handgun to school in the past year." a sharp increase from just five years earlier. By 1993, the United States saw some of the most violent time is school shooting incidences.

And then:
Quote:
2000-2001 (19 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2001-2002 (4 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2002-2003 (14 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2003-2004 (29 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2004-2005 (20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2005-2006 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2006-2007 (38 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2007-2008 (3 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2008-2009 (10 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2009-2010 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)

This is as recent as the article goes.

The fact that events such as this are newsworthy\so prominently reported suggests such events are rare, which is why they stand out - Were such an occurrence to happen regularly (monthly, for example), then it would feel more commonplace and less shocking, as well as receiving much less attention, both in the media as well as from the public.

Having said that, it would be interesting to know what was behind the mid-late 1970's and the late 1980's-early 1990's upticks in such events, as it may help understand what is behind recent incidents as well, and so provide insight in what is needed\may need to change in order to minimise future events.
* Was it that more people (individuals\families\households) owned\had access to firearms (as opposed to the 1700's-1950's [1])?
* Was it that more people had access to (or ownership\possesion of) firearms at an earlier age (as opposed to the 1700's-1950's [1])?
* Was it that firearm security (locking up weapons such as in a gun safe, keeping ammunition in a different location to firearms, with firearms left unloaded when not required) was less common than earlier times?
* Was there some change to the family structure which occurred then, or in the preceeding decade or 2 (more\lees sole-parent households, for example)?
* Was there some societal change that occurred at that time, or in the preceeding decade (increase in "latchkey kids", for example, where children had less parental attention\oversight)?
* Was there some change to the "culture" which occurred (glorifying violence\violent group - "Gansta rap", for example)?
* Or, was it something else?

[1] 1950's were selected as the cutoff, as someone born in 1959 would be in their early-mid teens in the mid 1970's when the first major uptick arose (mid-late 1970's), allowing such changes to have become "mainstream" - the 1960's could also be an appropriate endpoint for comparison\investigation.

Source for above quotes: https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states



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25 May 2022, 9:04 pm

Brictoria wrote:
The history of such incidents is rather interesting...

For example:
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The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indian entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only two children survived.

Then into the 1800's:
Quote:
The first known mass shooting in the U.S. where students were shot, was on April 9, 1891, when 70 year old, James Foster fired a shotgun at a group of students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, Newburgh, New York, causing minor injuries to several of the students. The majority of attacks during this time period by students on other students or teacher, usually involved stabbing with knives, or hitting with stones.


Compare this with:
Quote:
1900-1930s

There are very seldom reports of mass or multiple school shootings during the first three decades of the 20th Century, with the three most violent attacks on schools involving either arson or explosions.

Leading up to:
Quote:
1970s

The two most notable U.S. school shootings in the early 1970s were the Jackson State killings in May 1970, where police opened fire on the campus of Jackson State University and the Kent State shootings also in May 1970 where the National Guard opened fire on the campus of Kent State University.

The mid to late 1970s is considered the second most violent period in U.S. school history with a series of school shootings

ramping down:
Quote:
1980s

The early 1980s saw only a few multi-victim school shootings including

And onto:
Quote:
1990s

From the late 1980s to the early 1990s the United States saw a sharp increase in gun and gun violence in the schools. According to a survey conducted by The Harvard School of Public Health "15% said that they had carried a handgun on their person in the past 30 days, and 4% said that they had taken a handgun to school in the past year." a sharp increase from just five years earlier. By 1993, the United States saw some of the most violent time is school shooting incidences.

And then:
Quote:
2000-2001 (19 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2001-2002 (4 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2002-2003 (14 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2003-2004 (29 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2004-2005 (20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2005-2006 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2006-2007 (38 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2007-2008 (3 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2008-2009 (10 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2009-2010 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)

This is as recent as the article goes.

The fact that events such as this are newsworthy\so prominently reported suggests such events are rare, which is why they stand out - Were such an occurrence to happen regularly (monthly, for example), then it would feel more commonplace and less shocking, as well as receiving much less attention, both in the media as well as from the public.

Having said that, it would be interesting to know what was behind the mid-late 1970's and the late 1980's-early 1990's upticks in such events, as it may help understand what is behind recent incidents as well, and so provide insight in what is needed\may need to change in order to minimise future events.
* Was it that more people (individuals\families\households) owned\had access to firearms (as opposed to the 1700's-1950's [1])?
* Was it that more people had access to (or ownership\possesion of) firearms at an earlier age (as opposed to the 1700's-1950's [1])?
* Was it that firearm security (locking up weapons such as in a gun safe, keeping ammunition in a different location to firearms, with firearms left unloaded when not required) was less common than earlier times?
* Was there some change to the family structure which occurred then, or in the preceeding decade or 2 (more\lees sole-parent households, for example)?
* Was there some societal change that occurred at that time, or in the preceeding decade (increase in "latchkey kids", for example, where children had less parental attention\oversight)?
* Was there some change to the "culture" which occurred (glorifying violence\violent group - "Gansta rap", for example)?
* Or, was it something else?

[1] 1950's were selected as the cutoff, as someone born in 1959 would be in their early-mid teens in the mid 1970's when the first major uptick arose (mid-late 1970's), allowing such changes to have become "mainstream" - the 1960's could also be an appropriate endpoint for comparison\investigation.

Source for above quotes: https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states


Not a school shooting but the worst school massacre occurred in the 1920s
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Bath school disaster, pair of bombings on May 18, 1927, of Bath Consolidated School in Bath Township, Michigan, U.S., that killed 38 schoolchildren. The perpetrator, Andrew Kehoe, also killed five adults in addition to himself in the worst school massacre in American history.

Kehoe spent months before the event placing dynamite and the World War I explosive pyrotol under the flooring of the school. He murdered his wife a day or so before May 18. On the day of the massacre, he used rigged explosives to destroy the buildings of his nearby farm moments before the explosives in the school were detonated by an alarm clock at 9:45 AM. The north wing of the school was destroyed in the explosion, and 36 children and 2 teachers were killed (another child died nearly a year later). Approximately half an hour afterward, Kehoe drove his truck to the school. The back seat of the truck was loaded with metal debris piled on top of dynamite, and Kehoe fired a rifle into the back seat when he arrived at the school. The truck blew up, killing Kehoe, the school superintendent, two other adults, and a child who had escaped the school bombing. Rescue workers searching through the rubble of the school later found some 500 lbs (230 kg) of explosives in the south wing that had failed to detonate, suggesting that Kehoe had intended to destroy the entire school.

Kehoe and his wife owned a farm in Bath Township, then a small rural community not far from Lansing. His neighbours described him as a tinkerer and a knowledgeable handyman but indicated that he was an indifferent farmer. Bath Consolidated School had opened in 1922, and local property taxes had been increased in order to pay for the new building. Kehoe found the new levy to be a substantial burden. He was elected to the school board in 1924 and was named treasurer. In that position he fought, sometimes unreasonably, to decrease school costs. In spring 1925 he was appointed to finish the term of the recently deceased township clerk, but he lost the position in the election the following year. It was reported that Kehoe had ceased farming and had stopped making mortgage or insurance payments about a year before the massacre, and investigators found a sign wired to a fence on his farm with lettering that read, “Criminals are made, not born.”


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25 May 2022, 9:12 pm

Police Arrest Texas Student Who Brought Guns to High School the Day After the Uvalde Shooting

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A student at a Richardson, Texas, high school was arrested Wednesday for carrying weapons in a weapon-free school zone, the day after 19 children were murdered at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas. The student—whose name was not released due to his age—was seen walking toward Berkner High School late Wednesday morning with a rifle, prompting witnesses to call the police. Police found no weapons on the suspect but found an AK-47 style pistol and a replica AR-15 style Orbeez rifle when they searched his car, as the high school and its surrounding schools went into lockdown. The suspect was charged with illegally carrying weapons in a weapons-free zone, a felony, and taken to a state jail.


Second-grade student in south Sacramento brings gun, ammo to school, district officials say
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A second-grade student brought a gun and loaded magazine to school, according to Sacramento City Unified School District officials. The incident took place Tuesday at Edward Kemble Elementary School in the Meadowview neighborhood, the same day an 18-year-old shot and killed 19 school children and two adults at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas.

Kemble staff members were alerted by students that a classmate brought the weapon to school. They found the gun and “an accessible loaded magazine” in the desk of the pupil, according to the district’s statement.


13-year-old brought loaded gun to Syracuse school, police say
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13-year-old boy was brought into custody Tuesday for bringing a fully loaded semi-automatic handgun to Ed Smith K-8 School in Syracuse

In a joint press conference with the Syracuse Police Department, Syracuse City School District Superintendent Jaime Alicea said school officials were tipped off by a parent that called to inform them her child saw an eighth-grader was bringing a handgun to school.

When the 13-year-old boy walked into the building, he was greeted by the School Sentry and principal. After the student became belligerent in the principal’s office, the School Sentry detained him and the fully loaded semi-automatic handgun was found in the boy’s waistband under his shirt.

Syracuse Police were immediately called to the school, arrested the eighth-grader, and brought him into custody.

“We don’t know where this was going to go, we have no idea,” SPD Chief Cecile said during the press conference. “But when a student and a child is brave enough to tell their parents and the parents are brave enough to call the school district, this is how you prevent things from happening.

It’s unclear why the student brought the handgun to school, Chief Cecile said the parents and their child refused to speak with investigators.

Superintendent Alicea said that will include conversations with the Board of Education about whether metal detectors and School Resource Officers are needed in elementary schools.

“We had 23 SROs at one time and through attrition, they’ve been whittled down to just the high schools now. We just don’t have the numbers to do that, but if it was put in the budget and we had the numbers I think that could be valuable,” Chief Cecile said talking about the potential need for more School Resource Officers in the district.

The 13-year-old boy was arraigned Tuesday afternoon and lodged at the Hillbrook Juvenile Detention Center. He is facing three felony charges: criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree, criminal possession of a firearm, and criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds.

The student is suspended from school and will not return until the investigation is complete and the district holds a superintendent hearing.


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25 May 2022, 9:13 pm

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I'm waiting for the lunatic right to claim this was a "false flag" government operation.


I'm surprised nobody on the right is supporting gun control in this case--the shooter was Hispanic.


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25 May 2022, 9:14 pm

I remember this one in 1979. One of the few with a female shooter.

It inspired the song I Don't Like Mondays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland ... (San_Diego)




The silicon chip inside her head
Gets switched to overload
And nobody's gonna go to school today
She's gonna make them stay at home
And daddy doesn't understand it
He always said she was good as gold
And he can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be shown?


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25 May 2022, 9:16 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
The history of such incidents is rather interesting...

For example:
Quote:
The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indian entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only two children survived.

Then into the 1800's:
Quote:
The first known mass shooting in the U.S. where students were shot, was on April 9, 1891, when 70 year old, James Foster fired a shotgun at a group of students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, Newburgh, New York, causing minor injuries to several of the students. The majority of attacks during this time period by students on other students or teacher, usually involved stabbing with knives, or hitting with stones.


Compare this with:
Quote:
1900-1930s

There are very seldom reports of mass or multiple school shootings during the first three decades of the 20th Century, with the three most violent attacks on schools involving either arson or explosions.

Leading up to:
Quote:
1970s

The two most notable U.S. school shootings in the early 1970s were the Jackson State killings in May 1970, where police opened fire on the campus of Jackson State University and the Kent State shootings also in May 1970 where the National Guard opened fire on the campus of Kent State University.

The mid to late 1970s is considered the second most violent period in U.S. school history with a series of school shootings

ramping down:
Quote:
1980s

The early 1980s saw only a few multi-victim school shootings including

And onto:
Quote:
1990s

From the late 1980s to the early 1990s the United States saw a sharp increase in gun and gun violence in the schools. According to a survey conducted by The Harvard School of Public Health "15% said that they had carried a handgun on their person in the past 30 days, and 4% said that they had taken a handgun to school in the past year." a sharp increase from just five years earlier. By 1993, the United States saw some of the most violent time is school shooting incidences.

And then:
Quote:
2000-2001 (19 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2001-2002 (4 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2002-2003 (14 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2003-2004 (29 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2004-2005 (20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2005-2006 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2006-2007 (38 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2007-2008 (3 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2008-2009 (10 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2009-2010 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)

This is as recent as the article goes.

The fact that events such as this are newsworthy\so prominently reported suggests such events are rare, which is why they stand out - Were such an occurrence to happen regularly (monthly, for example), then it would feel more commonplace and less shocking, as well as receiving much less attention, both in the media as well as from the public.

Having said that, it would be interesting to know what was behind the mid-late 1970's and the late 1980's-early 1990's upticks in such events, as it may help understand what is behind recent incidents as well, and so provide insight in what is needed\may need to change in order to minimise future events.
* Was it that more people (individuals\families\households) owned\had access to firearms (as opposed to the 1700's-1950's [1])?
* Was it that more people had access to (or ownership\possesion of) firearms at an earlier age (as opposed to the 1700's-1950's [1])?
* Was it that firearm security (locking up weapons such as in a gun safe, keeping ammunition in a different location to firearms, with firearms left unloaded when not required) was less common than earlier times?
* Was there some change to the family structure which occurred then, or in the preceeding decade or 2 (more\lees sole-parent households, for example)?
* Was there some societal change that occurred at that time, or in the preceeding decade (increase in "latchkey kids", for example, where children had less parental attention\oversight)?
* Was there some change to the "culture" which occurred (glorifying violence\violent group - "Gansta rap", for example)?
* Or, was it something else?

[1] 1950's were selected as the cutoff, as someone born in 1959 would be in their early-mid teens in the mid 1970's when the first major uptick arose (mid-late 1970's), allowing such changes to have become "mainstream" - the 1960's could also be an appropriate endpoint for comparison\investigation.

Source for above quotes: https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states


Not a school shooting but the worst school massacre occurred in the 1920s
Encyclopedia Brittania
Quote:
Bath school disaster, pair of bombings on May 18, 1927, of Bath Consolidated School in Bath Township, Michigan, U.S., that killed 38 schoolchildren. The perpetrator, Andrew Kehoe, also killed five adults in addition to himself in the worst school massacre in American history.

Kehoe spent months before the event placing dynamite and the World War I explosive pyrotol under the flooring of the school. He murdered his wife a day or so before May 18. On the day of the massacre, he used rigged explosives to destroy the buildings of his nearby farm moments before the explosives in the school were detonated by an alarm clock at 9:45 AM. The north wing of the school was destroyed in the explosion, and 36 children and 2 teachers were killed (another child died nearly a year later). Approximately half an hour afterward, Kehoe drove his truck to the school. The back seat of the truck was loaded with metal debris piled on top of dynamite, and Kehoe fired a rifle into the back seat when he arrived at the school. The truck blew up, killing Kehoe, the school superintendent, two other adults, and a child who had escaped the school bombing. Rescue workers searching through the rubble of the school later found some 500 lbs (230 kg) of explosives in the south wing that had failed to detonate, suggesting that Kehoe had intended to destroy the entire school.

Kehoe and his wife owned a farm in Bath Township, then a small rural community not far from Lansing. His neighbours described him as a tinkerer and a knowledgeable handyman but indicated that he was an indifferent farmer. Bath Consolidated School had opened in 1922, and local property taxes had been increased in order to pay for the new building. Kehoe found the new levy to be a substantial burden. He was elected to the school board in 1924 and was named treasurer. In that position he fought, sometimes unreasonably, to decrease school costs. In spring 1925 he was appointed to finish the term of the recently deceased township clerk, but he lost the position in the election the following year. It was reported that Kehoe had ceased farming and had stopped making mortgage or insurance payments about a year before the massacre, and investigators found a sign wired to a fence on his farm with lettering that read, “Criminals are made, not born.”


That one was mentioned in the link I supplied, but in somewhat less detail:
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May 18, 1927 Bath, Michigan School treasurer Andrew Kehoe, after killing his wife and destroying his house and farm, blew up the Bath Consolidated School by detonating dynamite in the basement of the school, killing 38 people, mostly children. He then pulled up to the school in his Ford car, then blew the car up, killing himself and four others. Only one shot was fired in order to detonate dynamite in the car. This was deadliest act of mass murder at a school in the United States.



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25 May 2022, 9:47 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm waiting for the lunatic right to claim this was a "false flag" government operation.


I'm surprised nobody on the right is supporting gun control in this case--the shooter was Hispanic.


The right's belief in gun ownership isn't predicated on race, but on the prinicple of people (regardless of ancestry) being permitted to own firearms: Only a racist or person with double standards would consider, suggest, or push for laws which treated people differently based on their race, and to date there has been no such push (as far as I am aware) regardless of crime involving firearms used by people of varying racial backgrounds... At present, the left are actually the greatest proponents of racism, seeking to divide people into groups based on their race and pushing for disparate treatment based upon their membership of these groups, rather than treating people with equal dignity and consideration regardless of their race.

One could more accurately question why the left are so supportive of gun control, given:
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It's interesting that the right are more in tune with Karl Marx than the left are here...



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25 May 2022, 10:10 pm

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I'm hanging out my shingle for a minute ~

This kid is miserable. Instead of feeling motivated to change HIS circumstances, he'll just change the circumstances of those he perceives to be full of hope and promise. He's conditioned to believe that happiness, acceptance, success, purpose, etc... is his birth right. Not sure about grandma, she could have hurt him. Or, she could simply be guilty of telling him to get up off his lazy ass and do something about his own God forsaken life.

As far as the gun stuff goes, suggesting that the US give them up is pointless. It's always the first thing mentioned and perhaps they are right, but the fact remains that it's never going to happen. So, why not offer up something with that in mind? The US has way more guns in circulation than citizens. If the majority gave the go ahead and consented to turning them over, you would never be able to seize them all. They would remain in the hands of criminals, always. Registration only deals with legal sales of relatively recent purchases of guns, it does not deal with personal sales, stolen guns, or guns passed down to family members. So, just saying 'wake up,' is not helpful.



Criminals don't usually engage in mass shooting sprees.


Pardon, they'll just kill you one at a time.


You do understand the concept of "context", right?



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25 May 2022, 10:16 pm

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It has never been proven that video game violence causes real world violence.


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Tracking children and teens in two countries — Japan and the United States — Craig Anderson and his colleagues found evidence that kids who play violent video games are more likely to admit to aggressive behavior in the real world. This was true even after controlling for initial levels of aggression (Anderson et al 2008).

And researchers in Germany found that teenagers who spent more time playing violent video games at the beginning of a study were more likely to have committed acts of physical aggression 30 months later. By contrast, teenagers who were more physically violent at the beginning of the study were not more likely to play violent video games 30 months later (Möller and Krahé 2009).
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Understanding human psychology and having good reasoning ability would suggest this to be True.



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25 May 2022, 10:19 pm

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In this article it’s mentioned that he shared photos of animal abuse.
https://abc7.com/elementary-school-shoo ... /11893076/

The Buffalo shooter also was itto animal abuse.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/buffalo-m ... d=84776450

They usually start with animals and move up to people.


This could be a sign of ritual-abuse/deep-programming.



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25 May 2022, 10:28 pm

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One consistent factor in most mass shootings is the killer is usually a teenager or close to it. I fully expected what I read; "The suspect was an 18-year-old male". So what's causing these kids to go on shooting sprees? Other info makes this look very similar to Sandy Hook. Tragic doesn't begin to describe it. I wonder if like others he exhibited warning signs and or left warning messages.


Do you think video games play a role? I do.


It has never been proven that video game violence causes real world violence.


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Broadly, researchers have not found any connection between violent video games and violent behavior. The policy statement of the American Psychological Association (APA) related to video games states "Scant evidence has emerged that makes any causal or correlational connection between playing violent video games and actually committing violent activities."

[...]

Christopher Ferguson, a professor at Stetson University and a member of the APA, has researched the connection between violent video games and violent behavior for years. Through longitudinal studies, he has concluded that "[t]here’s not evidence of a correlation, let alone a causation" between video games and violence. Ferguson's more recent studies have shown that there is no predictive behavior that can be inferred from the playing of violent video games.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_video_games#Studies

The desire to link the cause of violence to some external media source has been present for some time, whether Comic books in the 1950's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_video_games#Before_video_games), or radio shows in the 1940's:
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The case drew a lot of media attention — partly because of the shocking nature of the murder, but also because McKenzie was not alone in his disapproval of the types of programs Mr Johnson listened to.

There was continuing controversy in the media over horror radio shows, also known as thrillers, National Film and Sound Archive assistant curator Chris Arneil says.

Critics of horror shows blamed them for youth crime and claimed they had a dangerous effect on children.

"It's analogous to video games today," Mr Arneil says.

Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-01/newly-released-files-give-insight-into-murder-over-horror-radio/100697004


"Broadly", perhaps, but I doubt all in the medical fraternity would accept that is "gospel".
Simple reasoning could pick out irrelevant parameters.

Contextual buggery is a very common tactic, as in "No one can be hypnotised to do anything against their will" is self-evidently false, if not speaking "broadly".



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25 May 2022, 10:32 pm

Pepe wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
It has never been proven that video game violence causes real world violence.


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Tracking children and teens in two countries — Japan and the United States — Craig Anderson and his colleagues found evidence that kids who play violent video games are more likely to admit to aggressive behavior in the real world. This was true even after controlling for initial levels of aggression (Anderson et al 2008).

And researchers in Germany found that teenagers who spent more time playing violent video games at the beginning of a study were more likely to have committed acts of physical aggression 30 months later. By contrast, teenagers who were more physically violent at the beginning of the study were not more likely to play violent video games 30 months later (Möller and Krahé 2009).
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Understanding human psychology and having good reasoning ability would suggest this to be True.


Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your interest in them), no link has been determined.

I posted earlier in the thread about this (https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=406158&p=9044211#p9044211).

Sadly, repeating what has been posted in one place on the site is strictly verbotten[1], with a requirement to use links to other posts having been imposed, so unfortunately you'll have to follow the link to read it rather than being able to read it here.

[1] In such case, you can cross-link your responses. Copy-paste is in really bad taste.



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25 May 2022, 10:44 pm

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Sure, violent imagery -- whether in comic books, television programs, theatrical releases, or video games -- may influence one's methods of crisis management; but one does not automatically become a psychopathic killing machine from engaging in these sorts of entertainment.  There are always other factors involved, like maybe being born with a psychopathic brain.[/color]


Absolutely.
Not all people are the same.
Not all people have the same experiences.
Not all people have the capacity to deal with their experiences in the same way.

One doesn't have to have a psychopathic predilection to become mentally ill.
On the contrary.
Consider: Psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made.
There seems to be evidence that this individual was "made".

One last thing:
"There but for the grace of God go I."



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25 May 2022, 10:46 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
It has never been proven that video game violence causes real world violence.


"
Tracking children and teens in two countries — Japan and the United States — Craig Anderson and his colleagues found evidence that kids who play violent video games are more likely to admit to aggressive behavior in the real world. This was true even after controlling for initial levels of aggression (Anderson et al 2008).

And researchers in Germany found that teenagers who spent more time playing violent video games at the beginning of a study were more likely to have committed acts of physical aggression 30 months later. By contrast, teenagers who were more physically violent at the beginning of the study were not more likely to play violent video games 30 months later (Möller and Krahé 2009).
"
...


Understanding human psychology and having good reasoning ability would suggest this to be True.


Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your interest in them), no link has been determined.

I posted earlier in the thread about this (https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=406158&p=9044211#p9044211).

Sadly, repeating what has been posted in one place on the site is strictly verbotten[1], with a requirement to use links to other posts having been imposed, so unfortunately you'll have to follow the link to read it rather than being able to read it here.

[1] In such case, you can cross-link your responses. Copy-paste is in really bad taste.


I am dealing with this post first.
So, you are saying what kitesandtrainsandcats posted has no relevance?



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25 May 2022, 10:48 pm

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How can being both a "Pro-Life" and a "Pro-Gun" state like Texas make any sense?


How can one be in favour of abortions but against school shootings? Answer this silly question seriously and you'll simultaneously answer your own.


I have no idea what is happening here. 8O



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