Johnny Depp Vs Amber Heard verdict discussion
04 Jun 2022, 10:06 pm
It's possible Johnny Depp was also abusive but the underlying issue is that Amber Heard was the one making the accusations and so the burden of proof was on her and the evidence presented showed she lied. So she has to cough up the 9 Million.
The result does send a message to young women who seek damages from men (whether it be husbands, partners, boyfriends, hookups or just innocent dudes) that if you lie under oath there will be consequences.
There have been numerous cases over the years of young men being accused of rape where the men have spent time in jail or lost sports scholarships or thrown out of university and after years of suffering managed to prove their innocence but despite that the women making the false accusations get a slap on the wrist and the men get no restitution for their losses.
Johnny Depp lost a number of movie roles (I was particularly dissapointed he was unable reprise his role of Grindelwald in the Fantastic Beasts frnachise and for future movie roles there will always be a cloud hanging over him.
What I think is BS is I am seeing comments online saying how this case will make it hard for women to come out as victims and this is turning back the clock for women. What we should be learning from this case is; men can be victims of abuse, do not lie about abuse and make stuff up about your ex or there could be consequences.
It is not Johnny's fault if a woman out there will be too afraid to come forward and tell anyone she is in domestic abuse because she is believing the radical feminists about this case and thinks JD was the abuser and Heard was an innocent victim. It also won't be his fault too if MRA's use this case to dissbeleive all women when they say they were abused and use Amber as an excuse to hate all women and pretend all women are like her.
We needed this trial.
It isn't BS to say this case will make it more difficult for women to come forward.
You are looking at it from the perspective of someone who watched the trial and formed an opinion.
Instead, look at it from the perspective of someone who has not watched the trial and does not have an opinion on the veracity of the claims made by either side. What do they see?
What they see is a woman not only being completely torn apart by society and the media, but with the vast majority of society seeming to enjoy the fact she was knocked down.
Why would anyone risk telling their own story in a climate like that? Why would they think they would be believed when she wasn't? Abusers tell their victims all the time that no one will ever believe them, and their sense of self has long been destroyed by the abuse. They won't see how or why their telling their story would come out any differently than what has happened here. They haven't parsed all the details like you have, they don't feel they "know" she was lying. What they see is how viciously she's been tarred.
Looking at it all strictly from future victims perspectives, I worry about the chilling effect allowing this to become such a spectacle will have.
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04 Jun 2022, 10:16 pm
I think what was on trial was her evidence. Just because her evidence wasn't water tight does not mean Depp wasn't capable or being abusive himself. For all we know he may have triggered Amber Heard?
The problem here is she lied which basically calls into question all her evidence. But that doesn't make Depp a saint and we will never know whether he contributed toward what seems to be a rather toxic relationship. It won't be the first or the last time a celebrity couple engage in this type of "War of the roses".
That comes off as victim blaming.
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04 Jun 2022, 10:21 pm
I think what was on trial was her evidence. Just because her evidence wasn't water tight does not mean Depp wasn't capable or being abusive himself. For all we know he may have triggered Amber Heard?
The problem here is she lied which basically calls into question all her evidence. But that doesn't make Depp a saint and we will never know whether he contributed toward what seems to be a rather toxic relationship. It won't be the first or the last time a celebrity couple engage in this type of "War of the roses".
That comes off as victim blaming.
I think we can reasonably assume that there was reactive abuse in the relationship, with both partners guilty of inappropriate behavior. Who was primarily at fault seems to have been decided by the jury and society, but that doesn't mean the other party was squeaky clean. Most domestic violence victims don't react in the ways EITHER party in this case have reacted. I have worked directly with several, and they weren't doing what either of these folks have done.
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04 Jun 2022, 10:27 pm
It's possible Johnny Depp was also abusive but the underlying issue is that Amber Heard was the one making the accusations and so the burden of proof was on her and the evidence presented showed she lied. So she has to cough up the 9 Million.
The result does send a message to young women who seek damages from men (whether it be husbands, partners, boyfriends, hookups or just innocent dudes) that if you lie under oath there will be consequences.
There have been numerous cases over the years of young men being accused of rape where the men have spent time in jail or lost sports scholarships or thrown out of university and after years of suffering managed to prove their innocence but despite that the women making the false accusations get a slap on the wrist and the men get no restitution for their losses.
Johnny Depp lost a number of movie roles (I was particularly dissapointed he was unable reprise his role of Grindelwald in the Fantastic Beasts frnachise and for future movie roles there will always be a cloud hanging over him.
What I think is BS is I am seeing comments online saying how this case will make it hard for women to come out as victims and this is turning back the clock for women. What we should be learning from this case is; men can be victims of abuse, do not lie about abuse and make stuff up about your ex or there could be consequences.
It is not Johnny's fault if a woman out there will be too afraid to come forward and tell anyone she is in domestic abuse because she is believing the radical feminists about this case and thinks JD was the abuser and Heard was an innocent victim. It also won't be his fault too if MRA's use this case to dissbeleive all women when they say they were abused and use Amber as an excuse to hate all women and pretend all women are like her.
We needed this trial.
It isn't BS to say this case will make it more difficult for women to come forward.
You are looking at it from the perspective of someone who watched the trial and formed an opinion.
Instead, look at it from the perspective of someone who has not watched the trial and does not have an opinion on the veracity of the claims made by either side. What do they see?
What they see is a woman not only being completely torn apart by society and the media, but with the vast majority of society seeming to enjoy the fact she was knocked down.
Why would anyone risk telling their own story in a climate like that? Why would they think they would be believed when she wasn't? Abusers tell their victims all the time that no one will ever believe them, and their sense of self has long been destroyed by the abuse. They won't see how or why their telling their story would come out any differently than what has happened here.
If what you say is true, Amber Heard did this. She rolled it back for women. So I am not going to be mad about Depp, it's not his fault, the fault here is Amber. she did this. She created this mess. She created this for other women who will now be too afraid to come forward because the didn't see the trial and they have been fed lies by the media who also didn't watch the trial. This shows there is true bias against men in society.
And yes my opinion did come from the trial. In saw what a liar she is. Evidence was shown she was lying and they exposed her lies. Anyone who thinks she was a victim here clearly didn't see the trial or they decided to discard it even after they saw it. I already saw on Reddit that Heard fans are discrediting the trial because them posting clips from it indicates they did see it but are choosing to be deaf ears.
Now I would like to see the UK trial and the evidence against Depp and I might change my mind.
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04 Jun 2022, 10:40 pm
It's possible Johnny Depp was also abusive but the underlying issue is that Amber Heard was the one making the accusations and so the burden of proof was on her and the evidence presented showed she lied. So she has to cough up the 9 Million.
The result does send a message to young women who seek damages from men (whether it be husbands, partners, boyfriends, hookups or just innocent dudes) that if you lie under oath there will be consequences.
There have been numerous cases over the years of young men being accused of rape where the men have spent time in jail or lost sports scholarships or thrown out of university and after years of suffering managed to prove their innocence but despite that the women making the false accusations get a slap on the wrist and the men get no restitution for their losses.
Johnny Depp lost a number of movie roles (I was particularly dissapointed he was unable reprise his role of Grindelwald in the Fantastic Beasts frnachise and for future movie roles there will always be a cloud hanging over him.
What I think is BS is I am seeing comments online saying how this case will make it hard for women to come out as victims and this is turning back the clock for women. What we should be learning from this case is; men can be victims of abuse, do not lie about abuse and make stuff up about your ex or there could be consequences.
It is not Johnny's fault if a woman out there will be too afraid to come forward and tell anyone she is in domestic abuse because she is believing the radical feminists about this case and thinks JD was the abuser and Heard was an innocent victim. It also won't be his fault too if MRA's use this case to dissbeleive all women when they say they were abused and use Amber as an excuse to hate all women and pretend all women are like her.
We needed this trial.
It isn't BS to say this case will make it more difficult for women to come forward.
You are looking at it from the perspective of someone who watched the trial and formed an opinion.
Instead, look at it from the perspective of someone who has not watched the trial and does not have an opinion on the veracity of the claims made by either side. What do they see?
What they see is a woman not only being completely torn apart by society and the media, but with the vast majority of society seeming to enjoy the fact she was knocked down.
Why would anyone risk telling their own story in a climate like that? Why would they think they would be believed when she wasn't? Abusers tell their victims all the time that no one will ever believe them, and their sense of self has long been destroyed by the abuse. They won't see how or why their telling their story would come out any differently than what has happened here.
If what you say is true, Amber Heard did this. She rolled it back for women. So I am not going to be mad about Depp, it's not his fault, the fault here is Amber. she did this. She created this mess. She created this for other women who will now be too afraid to come forward because the didn't see the trial and they have been fed lies by the media who also didn't watch the trial. This shows there is true bias against men in society.
And yes my opinion did come from the trial. In saw what a liar she is. Evidence was shown she was lying and they exposed her lies. Anyone who thinks she was a victim here clearly didn't see the trial or they decided to discard it even after they saw it. I already saw on Reddit that Heard fans are discrediting the trial because them posting clips from it indicates they did see it but are choosing to be deaf ears.
Now I would like to see the UK trial and the evidence against Depp and I might change my mind.
The fault really is with all of us, the way society reacts, how quick we are to tear down women.
When men are abusive, they don't get a fraction of the vitriol Ms Heard has received. When men are proven to be liars, they don't get a fraction of the vitriol Ms. Heard has received. Society expects more from women when it comes to personal character in these areas and comes down harder when they fail.
I do know there are times, places, and traits for which society comes down harder on men. Society is very good at gender stereotyping and being completely unfair to men and women and I'm going to call it out when I see it, period. So please, folks, don't get down on me for my sentiments.
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04 Jun 2022, 11:10 pm
To be honest DW, I was also quick to think JD was abusive when it came out he was an abuser to his wife. I was very disappointed and I remember it was debunked and I felt relieved again to find out it was just a fabrication his ex did. Then this year I heard he was suing her so his trial would be live. I decided to watch it and it was on youtube and I felt disgust with Amber.
But people are quick to believe women when they say they were abused and when men say they were abused, they are dismissed as lying or that they did something to deserve it. Or the abuse the woman did to the guy gets downplayed because there is no threat when a woman is abusive.
I would like to believe people are tearing down Amber because she lied, not because she is a woman. I haven't paid any attention to Tik Tok so I didn't see any parody videos about her and the trial.
Since the media believes her, maybe she won't be ruined as Depp was when she defamed him and that is a female privilege we have. We are just given a slap on the wrist while men have to suffer more with our lies. I am not saying all women do it. Not all of us are Amber Heard. That is why us women also spoke up against it and shared our disgust, including those who were also DA victims.
This might be like the MJ trial. People believed him to be innocent. People will believe Heard to be innocent and might find excuses for why JD ex's would say he never abused them like how people have found excuses to say why Macaulay Culkin would say MJ never touched him.
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05 Jun 2022, 1:20 am
I think there's worse examples than these two (who are both actors so might be a little hard to believe). When Dr Blaisey-Ford (an eminent clinical psychologist who worked with hundreds of rape victims) was victim blamed for getting sexually assaulted by the current supreme court justice Brett Kavanaugh. I can't think of a greater travesty of justice when a aggressive (he performed really poorly under cross examination) and illogical male was believed over a qualified female therapist who works with rape victims.
The legal system is never been a protection for female abuse victims and to some extent Amber Heard has added to an existing uncertainty for young women coming forward. It is up to women to not be swayed by individual cases and make the best of a terrible situation by defending themselves.
05 Jun 2022, 1:58 am
But people are quick to believe women when they say they were abused and when men say they were abused, they are dismissed as lying or that they did something to deserve it. Or the abuse the woman did to the guy gets downplayed because there is no threat when a woman is abusive.
I would like to believe people are tearing down Amber because she lied, not because she is a woman. I haven't paid any attention to Tik Tok so I didn't see any parody videos about her and the trial.
Since the media believes her, maybe she won't be ruined as Depp was when she defamed him and that is a female privilege we have. We are just given a slap on the wrist while men have to suffer more with our lies. I am not saying all women do it. Not all of us are Amber Heard. That is why us women also spoke up against it and shared our disgust, including those who were also DA victims.
This might be like the MJ trial. People believed him to be innocent. People will believe Heard to be innocent and might find excuses for why JD ex's would say he never abused them like how people have found excuses to say why Macaulay Culkin would say MJ never touched him.
I don't know why we have to believe or not believe anyone in the public eye at all. We do not and never will have enough information to accurately assess the truth.
Amber Heard did not come across well while testifying, and Johnny Depp did. That, I feel, is all we actually know.
People do carry their desires and prejudices into their perceptions, and none of us know how much those influenced our decisions on who was right. So why are we even trying? It simply isn't our business. If the public wasn't making it their business to judge these people, Amber Heard would never have written her op ed, and Depp would never have felt driven to sue. WE, the public, created this mess. They lived a mess and divorced, as they clearly should have. But Heard felt attacked by the public after the divorce. Stronger people than her have been driven over an edge by public scrutiny. I wish WE, the public, would stop.
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05 Jun 2022, 2:01 am
It isn't BS to say this case will make it more difficult for women to come forward.
You are looking at it from the perspective of someone who watched the trial and formed an opinion.
Instead, look at it from the perspective of someone who has not watched the trial and does not have an opinion on the veracity of the claims made by either side. What do they see?
What they see is a woman not only being completely torn apart by society and the media, but with the vast majority of society seeming to enjoy the fact she was knocked down.
Why would anyone risk telling their own story in a climate like that? Why would they think they would be believed when she wasn't? Abusers tell their victims all the time that no one will ever believe them, and their sense of self has long been destroyed by the abuse. They won't see how or why their telling their story would come out any differently than what has happened here. They haven't parsed all the details like you have, they don't feel they "know" she was lying. What they see is how viciously she's been tarred.
Looking at it all strictly from future victims perspectives, I worry about the chilling effect allowing this to become such a spectacle will have.
Why do stories need to be told? What a person needs to do is file for a restraining order and file for a divorce. That's a proactive way of dealing with it. If someone is willing to tell their story to the public, then they shouldn't be afraid to take the less dangerous and more practical legal steps towards ending abuse. Amber Heard had all sorts of options such as having her injuries medically diagnosed as evidence towards filing criminal charges against Depp. Instead she went to the Washington Post to do an op-ed on him.
05 Jun 2022, 8:40 am
When men are abusive, they don't get a fraction of the vitriol Ms Heard has received. When men are proven to be liars, they don't get a fraction of the vitriol Ms. Heard has received. Society expects more from women when it comes to personal character in these areas and comes down harder when they fail.
For all their faults and courtroom noise over the he said/did, she said/did arguments, Amber Heard has been subjected to appalling, unjustifiable attacks.
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05 Jun 2022, 9:21 am
I have doubts if it's really so much about gender imbalance, rather than talent imbalance - damaging life of someone widely recognized for their talent spawns way stronger reactions than damaging life of a regular bread eater.
Also not fair but... talent adds a lot to the emotional stakes.
Imagine it wasn't Johny Depp but some taxi driver.
Instantly different emotions. Instantly different story.
Just my, not very engaged, view.
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05 Jun 2022, 11:31 am
I haven't seen any harassments Heard got because I don't pay attention to that stuff but sending her death threats and even threatening to hurt her child is not cool. Only thing I saw online was people posting their support for Depp and seeing hashtags like #Amberheardisaliar and people posting their disgust about her. But I don't see this part as harassment, just people practicing their freedom of speech about the trial just as long as they don't send her any threats and threatened to harm her family members. I did see people post their concern about her child because of her BPD diagnoses and her lies.
CPS might show up to Amber's residence to check on her baby and I doubt anything will happen if her baby is well cared for and loved.
People online can't seem to behave themselves when it comes to dealing with someone who has a bad opinion, is racist, is transphobic, had defamed a person, etc. What should only be done is post your opinions only and stay out of their inbox and off their phone and stay away from their property. No threats.
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05 Jun 2022, 12:00 pm
Honestly I don't think many people would have cared that much if this trial happened between two regular people. People only cared about this one because Depp has fame. Lot of us have never even heard of Amber Heard. Also the state of Virginia allows videos in the court room which is why it went live. I wouldn't be surprised if Depp purposely picked this state to sue her in so he can have it be filmed to clear his name. AH fans think he planned all this because he knew the public would do most of the job for him because of how vile people are online. He never once condemned it and never spoke up against it. Another scenario is he knew this could happen but didn't care because he was so hurt from all this and when you are so hurt and are so eager to clear your name, you are not going to care about the defendant's safety and what can happen to them because that is their own problem and not yours.
If Depp had lost, I know for a fact the MRA would come out with their misogyny and say how the system is in favor of women and women can just lie about men to destroy them. People would still hate Amber either way.
Johnny Depp had been known since the 1980s because of 21 Jump Street and Amber has been known for how long? Since Aquaman?
Only thing I think about Amber is I hope she can get the help she needs. I am sure she does believe what she really says because that is what having BPD is. You believe your own lies because they are real to you and it's like they can't tell between reality and a lie. I also found out any diagnoses doctors give a defendant in court is not a real diagnoses because it doesn't get put on their medical record, it is only for the trial. And her exaggerated reactions in court and her emotions were probably the Histrionic part.
Why couldn't Depp sue The Washington Post, because it was an opinion they posted. So he went after Heard. Seems like he did this as the last resort. He tried to avoid suing her. I am sure there are laws that protect companies from lawsuits so that is why he couldn't sue The Washington Post. Some people out there might believe he did this for revenge because he already sued The Sun and lost so he decided to sue her in the US about another thing she wrote because laws are different here.
Do I think Heard wrote that piece to defame him? Probably not. She wrote it to get attention and left him nameless thinking people wouldn't know and maybe she underestimated his fame and didn't realize people would know whom she is talking about. Maybe she didn't realize how closely people follow celebrities lives when they are very well known. Just my theory here.
Anyone else non famous have less to worry about because people won't know who their ex is, don't name your abuser, use a different name for them, tell people you only trust and they won't tell anyone else. I mean sure if this was at your school and your partner was abusive so you broke up with them, I can understand why they would keep quiet about it. Everyone would know whom you dated, who your partner is and who you are talking about.
Is it possible that any male abusers out there may use the JD way to sue their victims if they name them or talk about their relationship and it gives them consequences, possibly. But the fault would be on them, not on Depp.
Can Amber sue Depp now for making their trial public because of the wrath she faced online and harassment? Maybe. Will she win the case? She would have to prove it caused her damages.
Imagine them both suing each other back and forth? She is going to appeal it.
I am also reading this:
https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/2911.html
I found it on Twitter by a Heard supporter and it's court documents from the UK about the case there when he sued.
And this is going to be my favorite from the trial:
"Tell the world, Johnny. Tell them, 'I, Johnny Depp, a man, a victim, too, of domestic violence."
And he did and shocked Pikachu face she had.
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