Teacher jailed for violating court order over a pronoun row

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Why would someone and their parents choose "Frankenstein," as their name and "it," as their preferred pronoun? No one would, ever, and you know it. Your absurd example is only intended to make a mockery of trans people and it's very rude - doubly so as it seems you're suggesting that trans people are patchwork monsters of sorts. This is one of the cringiest grossest posts I've ever read on these forums.

He was being placed on PAID administrative leave while official disciplinary proceedings were completed. That would be the officially mandated process for disputes regarding teacher actions. Here in the US, such officially mandated processes would have been negotiated and agreed to by a teacher's union.

But the teacher refused to go on the leave.

So the school got the equivalent of a restraining order. I will note that the grant of such an order is also an official and considered process, not something that can occur arbitrarily.

The teacher then violated that.

I see multiple layers during which the teacher was given due process and had the opportunity to make his case. We, with just the article, are missing all the details that made up both sides of the case, and that would have been argued (a) in the school's disciplinary process and (b) the courts process of granting the equivalent of a restraining order. But both are formal processes during which the rights of the teacher were protected, but he failed to make his case.

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Since Erica Anderson, a transgender clinical psychologist, has said teenage transitions have “gone too far.”

I see no reason to disagree.

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yes . i want to say that i think its bad he was sent away from teh school for that, but i also want to say i dont know enough of what happened to make that judgment because the story seems incomplete . he could have said or done other disrespectful things. his overall tone isn't mentioned

i also want to say that its wrong he came back into school when he was sent away . again, incomplete story

Not necessarily. I read the article to say that the student had made a specific request to the school that the school evaluated. It would be after that evaluation that the school asked the teachers to comply.

Students at that school aren't just raising their hands in a classroom and telling the teacher what to call them. They are going through a permission process at the school.

Of course you see no reason to disagree. You've been expressing your transphobic bigotry for several pages in this thread already, which is the second anti-trans thread you've started in the last couple days.

Very strange way to get your kicks. I hope you know your God is watching - s/he's omniscient, after all.

I think the way things are going it will become mandatory in schools and the workplace. Arguing that a new name and preferred pronoun is invalid, would be cited as prejudice.

Well, your thread so I guess you get to change the topic if you want, but that is what you are doing here: changing the topic.

Also, I hope you noticed how one poster in this thread proved my point about misleading thread titles, as that poster has indicated he believes the teacher was fired over pronoun usage, not seeming to have read much more.

I guess I want to ask again, what is it you want from this thread? In my eyes it is your posts that keep going off on tangents that aren't relevant to the article. But ... reasonable minds can differ, so tell me.

touching on that subject, people mock celebrties like michael jackson for when he had varieous surgeries. he mentally needed them though in order to feel complete or right. but those surgeries were never enough for him

people mock & are against plastic surgery when its done to a certain degree .

he got me though for not reading the article !

Prejudice, bigotry, generally just being an a**hole - yes - that's exactly what it would be. I'm glad we're having this conversation as it seems your level of social impairment is quite severe and you have a lot to learn about not being rude or mean to other people for no reason.

Not anti trans. Anti compulsory compliance. And since I already clearly explained that, I have to regard this as a personal attack.

i agree

BS. Your posts about refusal to treat trans people with dignity are bigoted enough, but your flame baiting insults of referring to them as "frankenstein," and "it," are doubling down on your insults knowing full well that I've stated I'm seeing a trans person.

I also find it really gross of you to make posts like these knowing full well there's a trans forum member who's posted in this thread.

It's all just really, really, bad social form - not to mention violations of the forum rules.

OK, so pose that question, how far do we think it will go?

I do think schools and workplaces are choosing to make it a norm that you honor a pronoun request while in the workplace. The evolving social norm doesn't seem to be unlimited; it's within the standard mix of he/his/him, she/her/hers, they/them/their. The stuff you see a lot of people including in email signatures and business cards now. At least in progressive areas. I haven't included mine on anything and have never been told to. I have worked with one person who wanted to go by "they." One. It wasn't hard to remember.

There are jokes on TV about people who can't make up their minds how they want to be called, or people coming up with super unusual requests. I haven't encountered or heard of any outside of TV. I would say that because such jokes exist, society is putting a boundary on the social norm. When its OK to laugh at something, its like attaching a note saying "this is not what rational people do." So, contrary to your belief, this "address people as they want to be addressed" isn't endless.

I remember when we thought Ms. was weird. But over the years I've found it incredibly useful. So much easier. Where once it was considered the request of an extreme feminist, it is now the default for women. Not all changes are bad.

Society doesn't stick with the stuff that proves to be too difficult or weird. It just doesn't. So if the pronouns really are throwing people for a loop, the norm will change. Maybe we'll start using something like they/them/their as the norm. Because, well, it would be easier than figuring out he or she, especially in a multi-cultural world where we can't always tell from looking at a name if it is male or female.

Honestly, does that bother you, too? Looking at written names and not being able to tell if they are male or female? It throws me for a loop. Most people I deal with are handled through on-line, faceless communications. Sometimes a phone call. So proper address is something I find I often have to think about. But you're used to that issue, aren't you, so you aren't complaining about it, are you?

My kids tell me that their generation wants to make gender something of a non-issue. That no one should care if a person is male or female. That no one should, under most circumstances, need to know. I agree in theory but I also like being female. Except when some idiot tries to mansplain. So I'd guess we'll be moving as a society towards more all-inclusive gender neutral language.

Or not. The push back might win.

Time will tell. It always does.

I wasn't actually thinking of your post, although I appreciate your comment. There is one poster that did not stay and discuss further.