Suspected Chinese spy balloon spotted over U.S. skies

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12 Feb 2023, 1:10 pm

It was that ugly Bullwinkle ballon.
I’d shoot it down if it came over my airspace.I didn’t like that cartoon.The voices and animation was annoying to me.


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12 Feb 2023, 2:09 pm

All 3 objects flying over US and Canada believed to be balloons, Schumer says: Congress must learn more

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The downing of a third high-altitude object -- this one over Canada, on Saturday -- only increases the urgency for Congress to get to the bottom of what appears to be a previously unknown surveillance program by the Chinese, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said Sunday.

In an exclusive interview, Schumer told ABC "This Week" anchor George Stephanopoulos that "the bottom line is, until a few months ago, we didn't know of these balloons."

The suspected Chinese reconnaissance program also existed during the Trump administration but was only recently discovered by the U.S. intelligence and military communities, according to Schumer.

"It's wild we didn't know, isn't it?" Stephanopoulos said.

"It is wild that we didn't know, absolutely," Schumer said, adding, "Now they are learning a lot more."

The downing of a third high-altitude object -- this one over Canada, on Saturday -- only increases the urgency for Congress to get to the bottom of what appears to be a previously unknown surveillance program by the Chinese, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said Sunday.

In an exclusive interview, Schumer told ABC "This Week" anchor George Stephanopoulos that "the bottom line is, until a few months ago, we didn't know of these balloons."

The suspected Chinese reconnaissance program also existed during the Trump administration but was only recently discovered by the U.S. intelligence and military communities, according to Schumer.

"It's wild we didn't know, isn't it?" Stephanopoulos said.

"It is wild that we didn't know, absolutely," Schumer said, adding, "Now they are learning a lot more."

Didn't the Chinese get enormous intelligence as well?" Stephanopoulos followed up.

"They could have been getting it anyway. But we have to know what they're doing, OK?" Schumer said.

By shooting the vessel down over water, Schumer said the U.S. will be able to literally piece together more information about its capabilities: "We're going to probably be able to piece together this whole surveillance balloon and know exactly what's going on."


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12 Feb 2023, 3:43 pm

So cylindrical balloon? doesn't that shape require thrust?



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12 Feb 2023, 3:54 pm

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So cylindrical balloon? doesn't that shape require thrust?


What are you talking about?

Magicians fold party balloons into figures of animals for kids all of the time.

The Hindenberg's cylindrical shape was not caused by its engines, but by it structure. But the shape enabled it to move as fast as a train, and to be steerable- which a spherical balloon like the one shot down off carolina was less able to do.

So this "cylindrical" thing probably was a "car sized" version of a dirgible/zeppilin with fins, and a motor.



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12 Feb 2023, 4:14 pm

Just saw a CNN report that pilots who investigated the second ...Alaska thing...gave "conflicting reports" on what they saw.

Some say that the thing "interfered with their instruments", and "had no visible means of propulsion". Other didnt notice the interference.

The Chinese balloon had no "visible means of propulsion" either. But at least it had a big gas bag to hold it aloft. This thing was only "the size of a small car".



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12 Feb 2023, 5:51 pm

Another one shot down, 3rd in 3 days:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/united-s ... eb3e30eea4

There’s another few related articles about it all linked at the end of this article.. headlines say it’s a part of a large scale spying operation + contractors involved are blacklisted by the USA etc. None of it particularly surprising, really. Spies spy, they get caught then told to F off. International business as usual.


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12 Feb 2023, 6:28 pm

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13 Feb 2023, 1:35 am

Worst case motivation is that the Chinese are sending a message that we can penetrate your airspace anytime we damn well please and if you interfere with our invasion of Taiwan we will take out your computer systems or power grid.


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13 Feb 2023, 1:39 am

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So cylindrical balloon? doesn't that shape require thrust?


What are you talking about?

Magicians fold party balloons into figures of animals for kids all of the time.

The Hindenberg's cylindrical shape was not caused by its engines, but by it structure. But the shape enabled it to move as fast as a train, and to be steerable- which a spherical balloon like the one shot down off carolina was less able to do.

So this "cylindrical" thing probably was a "car sized" version of a dirgible/zeppilin with fins, and a motor.


So this?

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It's a pretty dumb design idea for spying :roll:



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13 Feb 2023, 7:05 am

They shot down another object over lake Huron. Twenty thousand feet altitude. "Octogon shaped", with strings hanging from it. Probably an old balloon that had already dropped from a 40 thousand foot height, and had its payload already fall off of it...leaving only dangling strings.



Amateurs doing an old broadway showtune about "Big Clown Balloons" at the Thanksgiving Day Parade.



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13 Feb 2023, 1:05 pm

I heard some news clip that the US said they’ve detected 20 something Chinese spy balloons over recent years and China responded saying they’ve detected 20 something American spy balloons as well - basically saying stop making such a big deal out of it because everyone is doing it.


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13 Feb 2023, 2:41 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
I heard some news clip that the US said they’ve detected 20 something Chinese spy balloons over recent years and China responded saying they’ve detected 20 something American spy balloons as well - basically saying stop making such a big deal out of it because everyone is doing it.


But once you shoot down a Chinese balloon you always get the urge to shoot down another...like about an hour later!