[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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We as you seem to have foresworn Christianity, it seems reasonable to remind us that Tolkien was committed to Christian principles. I suppose the role of Gandalf in LOTR is analogous the the role of Aslan in Narnia. Which doesn't necessarily mean that I disagree with what Tolkien said in that passage, in fact I think it very wise, although of course you assumed I was arguing.

TBH I happen to think you have a genius IQ and that you start arguments because, in the past, you have found you can win them. Whereas I have learned to avoid arguments and am not easy to be sucked into one. Although why you consistently attack opinions I express, I am not able to guess.

I never claimed you were arguing. Just because I don't share someone's religious beliefs doesn't mean that I disagree with them about everything. In my opinion as an atheist, there are even decent portions of the Bible and worthy advice if one looks for them. Once again, I don't care about Tolkien's religious beliefs. Gandalf's monologue were words of wisdom no matter what.

I disagreed with what you said. I wasn't trying to attack you personally. When I disagree with you, it's not personal. My IQ is 125. I'm not a genius.

Let's not get any more off-topic.

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Same.
I also find it suspicious that Israel didn’t get intelligence on this attack.If it had been planned for months there would have at least been a rumor.Someone always talks too much.

If somebody is pious, that discredits them in my view. To my understanding, the vast majority of Israelis aren't pious and don't give a toss about any of that. Most of them just want to get on with their lives, same as the rest of us. You may be aware that Netanyahu wants to shut down the Israeli judicial system, which most Israelis don't want. Jews, including members of the military, have protested this for months. One reason this attack from Gaza succeeded was because Netanyahu's actions neutered Israel's defense and intelligence community. No other Israeli PM has ever done such a thing. They don't accept Netanyahu as their CIC and have effectively gone on strike.

If you want to think of Israel as an Apartheid State, then consider one thing Israel has in common with Apartheid era South Africa is that both have/had a functioning Judiciary, which sometimes acted to preserve the rights of the oppressed when doing so was otherwise contrary to the prevailing political culture. I have been to Israel and also visited South Africa during Apartheid, and I don't entirely agree with the analogy, but quite frankly the situation in Israel is far worse than it ever was in South Africa.

As for Palestine, you can rant about what has happened there that shouldn't have, but then I'd have to ask, not only what SHOULD have happened, but in what universe would that better thing have happened? I'll just end by saying that the British screwed over both the Jews and those who already lived in Palestine when the Jews arrived (although of course there were always some Jews there). @The_Face_of_Boo you're lucky that, although your part of the Middle East experienced European domination, at least it was the French and the French, although not exactly angels, seemed to not leave the same trail of s**t behind them as did the British.

Actually, Persephone29's rant reflects a very typical Zionist-like narrative.
"But it's just about the size of New Jersey, why these Arabs are so greedy, they have plenty of lands".

Those people view "Arabs" as a race, as one same people, and Palestinians are simply "Arabs" like all others, and therefore it makes sense for them to simply move to an "Arab" place. They admit no levantine roots for the Palestinians,
For them, there's no single blood drop of Canaanite/Aramean/Syriac/Jewish/Hebrew/Assyrian/Semitic running in the veins of those Palestinians, how could be? The Bible's king David f****d them all!
they are all simply "Arabs who came from the Arabian desert, dirty camel people, and therefore that it's not their land, they can go elsewhere".

A racial purity narrative.

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Most Israelis would laugh themselves into the grave at the notion that Israeli Jewry are in any way "racially pure", except perhaps for the Settlers who seem to all be of white European ancestry. But spend any time hanging out in the Central Bus Station in Tel Aviv and you'll be quickly disabused of any misconception you might have had about Israel being a "european" country.

There's a lot of truth in that, if you think about it... why the USA and Australia even exist as independent countries even though they're populated basically by the same people? They were supposed to be all United Kingdom.

To lose that much territories, it only means there was something very wrong in their empirical policy.

The French empire maintained their empire more smartly, let alone the hidden French empire they still have in Africa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-u1Pjc ... pianReport

I suspect ancient DNA research would not be really effective against Narratives...

Still, no one can match Belgians.

Fortunately for the rest of the world, their antics were limited to a few places in Africa. Not much comfort if you happen to have been born in Kinshasa.

If you are talking about empires, don't forget the Spanish and Portuguese empires in South America.

Having friends in Spain, I can tell you the Spanish congratulate themselves on having brought Christianity to those places. I remember seeing a whole exhibit at a church in Salamanca promoting that idea.

Somewhere along the way the Israelites are seeing themselves as different from the Arabs....vs Persians ....
uhm. perhaps , We have a issue with identity .....If they wish to incur that reasoning then , we have the
Persian Empire ... So if they wish to segragate themselves from other Arabic nations , And still exert their right to be there, Then perhaps they would be considered invaders .. Especially if the Brits had not helped them establish that piece of land . So the Arabs et.al in the past were kind enough to consider them as having a place to be ...? Instead of slaughtering them on the beaches as they landed . But had the Entire Arab people had any idea of what that would bring them , to their lands in the future? Would they have been so welcoming ?
If your home Country is in the middle East, you might be considered middle eastern. And personally as i have met
People whom have actual " Israeli heritage" . And profess to be Jewish , like it is a nationality ,instead of a religion?

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/173s2gj/jewish_refugees_arriving_in_palestine_in_1947/

^^^^. Lolololzzzzz^^^^

If you see two fish and they became a raw fish tartare dish, then a French passed by.