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13 Mar 2020, 9:33 pm

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I hang around with some local Chinese families with autistic children.


You do have a cultural identity then....



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13 Mar 2020, 9:35 pm

Fights breaking out in our local Melbourne Cosco and shopping centres over imposed restrictions on things like trolleys. Apparently trolleys make people overstock.

Madness....even gluten free items are sold out.



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13 Mar 2020, 9:47 pm

UK officially gave up as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/coronavirus-science-chief-defends-uk-measures-criticism-herd-immunity

As I have said: there are two approaches (a) containment, (b) free-virus-for-all. UK, Germany have both chosen the route of free-virus-for-all. Unfortunately, solution (a) and solution (b) are not compatible, globally speaking. Solution (b) is basically staring people in their eyes and tell them: "Sorry, pal, you've lived a good life, bye bye." If mismanaged, solution (b) leads to people dying in hospital hallways. Not pretty. And please remember: the world is not just Europe. We still have South America, where there is no decent medical infrastructure.

Is COVID-19 containable? It surely is, as East Asia has proven. But containment has broken the bank in Europe. Frankly, I am not sure the implication of free-virus-for-all approach. That was how Mother Nature has worked for millions of years. It often works, but sometimes it has some side effects. For instance, sickle-cell disease is great defense against malaria, but causes other problems.


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13 Mar 2020, 9:49 pm

cyberdad wrote:
You do have a cultural identity then....

BS. Your world is so narrow. I hang around another group with Caucasians and Hispanics. My best friends all have lived in multiple places on the planet and typically speak 5 or more languages.


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13 Mar 2020, 9:57 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Fights breaking out in our local Melbourne Cosco and shopping centres over imposed restrictions on things like trolleys. Apparently trolleys make people overstock.

Madness....even gluten free items are sold out.


fake cough and watch everyone scatter like cockroaches in the light.

easy way to make your way through crowds


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13 Mar 2020, 9:59 pm

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13 Mar 2020, 10:06 pm

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My bio mom just called and all the stores in her area are now running out of some food stuffs.
Milk,bread,dry beans, pasta and meat are off the shelves,no toilet paper or paper towels.


OMFG!
I could deal with anything, anything, *except* not having toilet paper!! !
I am an Australian, after all. :mrgreen:

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I always buy in bulk.I despise shopping,never eat out, and discourage visitors.


I have found my perfect soul mate, <sigh>
Let us hook up, and make anti-social, hermitical rug rats together. :heart: :mrgreen:

Lol I had my tubes tied.Too late for that.
No toilet paper at our local store either,neighbor got the last pack and it’s also gone from stores in the southern part of state.
A relative just told me the cop in front of the line at the store had a cart full of Lysol and it was around $140.00.If,or more likely when,it gets loose in the prisons and jails it’s going to be nasty.Missouri has stopped all prison visits.
I hope people that chew tobacco aren’t spitting in public leaving viral wads of spit everywhere.


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13 Mar 2020, 10:08 pm

When people have hacking coughs on the NYC subway, most people ignore them.

I just got off a train that had very few seats at 10:30 at night. Except for the closed big events and colleges, it’s business as usual in NYC.

I did see some people with masks. But it’s probably a 1:20 to 1:10 ratio masked:unmasked people.

It’s not panic city in NYC.



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13 Mar 2020, 10:16 pm

Ivanka Trump works from home after meeting Peter Dutton

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Ivanka Trump worked from home on Friday but will not self-quarantine, despite coming into close contact with the Australian home affairs minister, Peter Dutton, who on Friday confirmed he had tested positive for coronavirus.

Dutton released a statement late on Friday confirming that he had gone into self-isolation after testing positive for the virus.

The home affairs minister had recently returned from a trip to the US where he held meetings with senior Trump administration officials including Ivanka Trump, the US attorney-general, William Barr, and officials from the Five Eyes intelligence alliance.

In a statement, the White House said it was aware Dutton had contracted the virus, but that senior officials would not need to quarantine because the minister was “asymptomatic during the interaction”.

Instead the president’s daughter and senior adviser Ivanka, who was photographed next to Dutton during the trip, worked from home on Friday “out of an abundance of caution and until guidance was given”.

“The White House is aware that Mr Dutton tested positive for Covid-19,” the White House said.

“He was asymptomatic during the interaction. Exposures from the case were assessed and the White House Medical Unit confirmed, in accordance with CDC guidance, that Ivanka is exhibiting no symptoms and does not need to self-quarantine.

“She worked from home today out of an abundance of caution until guidance was given.”

A spokesman for the attorney general William Barr also said the Attorney General would work from home on Friday but was not showing coronavirus symptoms.

“He is staying home today and has consulted with CDC,” Department of Justice spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said in a statement.

“CDC is not recommending he be tested at this point.”

Other officials including a senior counsellor to the president, Kellyanne Conway, said she had been advised she did not need to quarantine.

“White House Medical Unit (WHMU) informed me earlier that Mr Dutton was asymptomatic during the interaction,” Conway wrote on Twitter.

“Exposures from the case were assessed and the WHMU confirmed, in accordance with CDC guidance, that I exhibited no symptoms & need not self-quarantine.”

But New Zealand cabinet minister Tracey Martin, who met with Dutton during a Five-Eyes partners meeting in Washington DC, has reportedly gone into self-isolation following his diagnosis.

A spokesperson for Martin told Radio New Zealand that while the minister and New Zealand First had shown no symptoms, she had been tested for the virus and was self-isolating until test results were returned.

Martin reportedly did not shake Dutton’s hand when she was overseas.

On Tuesday Dutton attended a meeting with Australian cabinet members including the prime minister, Scott Morrison. He was also was part of a discussion of the national security committee of cabinet on Thursday via a video link.

However Morrison said late on Friday that he did not intend to be tested and that no one in the cabinet would be required to self-isolate. The prime minister did cancel plans to attend a football match in Sydney on Saturday.


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13 Mar 2020, 10:37 pm

^yep....that’s the essence of it.....



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13 Mar 2020, 10:49 pm

Bought some things yesterday. And was clearly to see that certain items (TP and hand sanitizers) where sold out. And some food products where at a low level.

Also the Dutch association for medical microbiology has criticized the RIVM (basically the government information center for public health) for providing incomplete and outdated information.



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13 Mar 2020, 10:52 pm

This is the free-virus-for-all scenario.

Europe has 3 doctors per 1,000 people. Or 0.3%. Assuming 1/6 of the doctors can be drafted into respiratory care, that's 0.05%, or 5 bp (basis points). (Remember most doctors still have regular duties).

70% infection, assuming 10% requiring hospitalization, that makes 7%, or 700 bp. Roughly speaking, each doctor will need to care for 700/5=140 patients. Each patient needs the bed for 2~3 weeks. Let's say early discharge (or death), so 2 weeks. Spread over 2 months (that's what's realistic when 70% population gets infected), that means 4 effective cycles. So, on the average, each doctor will be attending 35 patients. It's doable, if the infection rate could be controlled. Borderline manageable.

In this picture, there is one or two countries in South America that will be overwhelmed.

US is implementing drive-through testing, now. So US is still going the route of containment. China wouldn't want the second wave to reach its shore. So, you will have US and China cutting off Europe. In this sense, Europe is becoming public enemy number 1.


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13 Mar 2020, 11:17 pm

The whole state of Massachusetts is just cancelled and shut down at this point.

123 cases so far


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13 Mar 2020, 11:47 pm

Sigbold wrote:
Bought some things yesterday. And was clearly to see that certain items (TP and hand sanitizers) where sold out. And some food products where at a low level.
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I just scored a packet of toilet paper at the supermarket.
They are rationing one per customer.
I took a packet.
I don't need it because I am stocked up.
But I am not stupid.
When provenance supplies, who am I to refuse? :mrgreen: