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14 Mar 2020, 12:26 am

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Europe is becoming public enemy number 1.

that population density doesn't help them.


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14 Mar 2020, 1:19 am

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When people have hacking coughs on the NYC subway, most people ignore them.

I just got off a train that had very few seats at 10:30 at night. Except for the closed big events and colleges, it’s business as usual in NYC.

I did see some people with masks. But it’s probably a 1:20 to 1:10 ratio masked:unmasked people.

It’s not panic city in NYC.



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14 Mar 2020, 1:30 am

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I just scored a packet of toilet paper at the supermarket.
They are rationing one per customer.
I took a packet.
I don't need it because I am stocked up.
But I am not stupid.
When provenance supplies, who am I to refuse? :mrgreen:


Well, I still have enough supply to last for at least two weeks anyway. Unfortunately some of the food products I buy every week where sold out yesterday. So I hope they have received new stock before they open this morning. And that most herd mentality people have already done their panic buying.



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14 Mar 2020, 2:16 am

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Fights breaking out in our local Melbourne Cosco and shopping centres over imposed restrictions on things like trolleys. Apparently trolleys make people overstock.

Madness....even gluten free items are sold out.


fake cough and watch everyone scatter like cockroaches in the light.

easy way to make your way through crowds


They are arresting people for coughing, sneezing and having a runny nose
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 94876.html



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14 Mar 2020, 2:55 am

cyberdad wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Fights breaking out in our local Melbourne Cosco and shopping centres over imposed restrictions on things like trolleys. Apparently trolleys make people overstock.

Madness....even gluten free items are sold out.


fake cough and watch everyone scatter like cockroaches in the light.

easy way to make your way through crowds


They are arresting people for coughing, sneezing and having a runny nose
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 94876.html


Holy f*ck*ng *sscr*ck*ers!


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14 Mar 2020, 3:28 am

Sigbold wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I just scored a packet of toilet paper at the supermarket.
They are rationing one per customer.
I took a packet.
I don't need it because I am stocked up.
But I am not stupid.
When provenance supplies, who am I to refuse? :mrgreen:


Well, I still have enough supply to last for at least two weeks anyway. Unfortunately some of the food products I buy every week where sold out yesterday. So I hope they have received new stock before they open this morning. And that most herd mentality people have already done their panic buying.


The panic has been a disgrace. Neurotypical selfish nonsense. Nature of the beast.
I hope sanity prevails, sooner rather than later, and you get your provisions.



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14 Mar 2020, 4:13 am

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The panic has been a disgrace. Neurotypical selfish nonsense. Nature of the beast.
I hope sanity prevails, sooner rather than later, and you get your provisions.


No worries. I have them. But still it was busy in stores that early in the morning.



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14 Mar 2020, 4:19 am

guys...i worry about north koreans

all this talk about unprepared governments and nobody mentions them.


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14 Mar 2020, 4:49 am

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guys...i worry about north koreans

all this talk about unprepared governments and nobody mentions them.


Kim Jong-Un is probably the only person who has toilet paper or hand sanitizer.

Not because of COVID-19, it's always been like that.


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14 Mar 2020, 5:01 am

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Believe it or not, it was already there on the tenth floor of Erasmus MC: the antibody that is able to block an infection of SARS1 and SARS2. In other words, a first-ever antibody to the coronavirus. Professor of cell biology Frank Grosveld (71) keeps his cool: “I am too old to jump on a table.”

Since Thursday evening, the article by a team of ten scientists, of which Grosveld is a member, has been online on BioRxiv – a website where biologists can publish their research before it will be assessed by the prestigious journal Nature. In the summary, the scientists describe an antibody to SARS2, the coronavirus causing the current pandemic (COVID-19). The antibody can help detect and prevent this type of corona infection. It is a world’s first.

Disclaimer: The antibody still has to be tested on humans (and this will take months) and the article is under peer review before Nature will publish it. But Grosveld is hopeful: “We expect an email any moment”, says the Spinoza Prize winner in his lab on the tenth floor.

What are next steps and what can we do with them?

“We are now trying to get a pharmaceutical company on board – which is looking promising, by the way – that can produce the antibody on a large scale as a medicine. Before it can be marketed, the antibody must go through an extensive development phase and be tested for toxicological properties. That process is now underway. In addition to the development as a medicine, we also want to use the antibody to set up a diagnostic test: one that everyone can do from home, so that people can easily find out whether they have an infection or not. ”

(...)


Rest at the above link.



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14 Mar 2020, 5:07 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
guys...i worry about north koreans

all this talk about unprepared governments and nobody mentions them.


Well...

The good news, if you are an ordinary North Korean, is that there is very little travel between your country and the outside world. So North Korea would be one of the last places for a globe trotting virus to get to.

The bad news is that one of the few places that North Korea DOES have a lot of commercial traffic with is... China. The source of the virus. The disease SEEMS to have leap frogged the map over North Korea, and hit south Korea, and Japan, and then...every other continent on the planet. But since the Nork regime is so able to control news -we don't know what is going on there. It might be spreading there to, but they just don't allow us to know about it.

But I am sure that Kim is postponing all of those big rallies with marching troops and parading missles on flatbeds that they have there. Even the Norks will have to do without public gatherings for a while.



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14 Mar 2020, 5:12 am

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Shortage of masks is NEVER AN EXCUSE. You can make your own masks before the commercial ones become available. Remember: a mask's filtering power is NOT its main purpose.

What do you understand to be its main purpose?

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Since I can't read Chinese, it was not clear to me what material the mask is supposed to be made of. Do you know what material was being used in the video?


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14 Mar 2020, 5:13 am

City of Miami Mayor Francis Suarez tests positive for COVID-19

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City of Miami Mayor Francis Suarez has tested positive for COVID-19, his office confirmed Friday.

Florida health officials have told Miami Police Chief Jorge Colina to self-isolate due to his frequent interactions with the mayor.

Suarez announced Thursday that he was self-quarantining after attending an event in Miami this week where a Brazilian delegation member who has tested positive for coronavirus was present.

Suarez said in a video message played at a news conference Thursday that he did not believe he had contact with the Brazilian president’s communications director, Fábio Wajngarten, during the event.

Suarez had said he was showing no symptoms of the virus, but had been self-quarantining as a precaution.

Miami police spokesman Orlando Rodriguez said some members of the department provided security services to the Brazilian president during his visit to Miami and have been directed to self-isolate as a precaution.

Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Gimenez, who attended the same event as Suarez, has tested negative for COVID-19.

U.S. Sen. Rick Scott, R-Florida, is also self-quarantining.

“The Embassy said the person had no symptoms leading up to or the day of the conference,” Scott said in a statement. “After consulting with the Senate’s attending physician and my personal doctor, I have been told that my risk is low, and I don’t need to take a test or quarantine. However, the health and safety of the American people is my focus and I have made the decision to self-quarantine in an abundance of caution.”


Apple Closes All Its Stores Outside China
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Apple Inc. will close all its retail stores outside Greater China, a dramatic example of how companies are clamping down on business activity to slow the spread of the coronavirus to their employees and customers.

Apple said the stores would be closed until March 27 in light of the worsening spread of the virus, which according to figures from Johns Hopkins University has killed 5,429 and infected 145,369.

Hourly workers will continue to be paid, and workers across the company will be allowed to work remotely if their jobs permit it, Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook said in a note on the company’s website.

The note said Apple stores inside Greater China, closed previously, were all open Saturday, highlighting how the coronavirus center of gravity has shifted to Europe and the U.S. China reported 11 new infections and 13 new deaths for Friday.


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14 Mar 2020, 6:37 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
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Remember: a mask's filtering power is NOT its main purpose.

What do you understand to be its main purpose?

First of all, a mask immediately warns people about approaching you. It keeps other people away from you, because it sends a message: "I want you to stay at a safe distance from me." Secondly, it prevents any causal landing of droplets, even if other people are away from you. And most importantly, read this message from James Robb, one of the earliest researchers on coronavirus: https://slippedisc.com/2020/03/some-expert-advice-on-coronavirus/. A mask prevents you from touching your own nose and mouth.. The main purpose of the mask is to prevent you from touching yourself. Virus on your face, nose, mouth, from touching your face with your hand, are the primary routes of infection. Sure, the virus can also go through your eyes. I haven't seen people in East Asia wearing face shields. Traditional eyeglasses should be sufficient. Some extremely careful people wear swimming goggles, but that's very rare.

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Since I can't read Chinese, it was not clear to me what material the mask is supposed to be made of. Do you know what material was being used in the video?

The materials used matter little, since we are not talking about filtering power. Use whatever you feel comfortable with. In the video, I saw usage of:
(1) two layers of paper towel
(2) a layer of thick facial tissue (mouth-side lining)
(3) painter's masking tape (often available in drugstores / stationery stores / art supply stores / home improvement stores)
(4) plastic covered metal wire, I guess you could use small-gauge copper wires used for electronics
(5) two-hole puncher to make holes
(6) rubber bands
(7) hand sanitizer, or just wash your hand and table top with soapy water to disinfect, before you start work

I actually also have a mask made by my mom from about 10 years ago. It's made of fabric and is washable. I don't use it nowadays (don't know where it is now). But the point is, fabric can also be used, so that the mask can be washed (with detergent) and be reused.


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14 Mar 2020, 7:58 am

I've never worn a mask but I can predict that it would make me touch my face MORE. I can just imagine how much I would fiddle with it as a stim and for comfort. I wear a blindfold to sleep and I touch it all the time arranging it and making it comfortable, or even making the straps tighter and looser. It tickles a lot too, making me touch more.

Just throwing it out there that (for this person), a mask wouldn't keep my hands off my face.

That being said I will continue to touch my face with clean hands because I'm a chronic stimmer and I seldom leave home.

The other benefits of a mask remain, but for me I think masks would increase touching.


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14 Mar 2020, 8:24 am

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Jason pass onto Jack Ma, that we appreciate his very generous donation.

Has Jason indicated that he personally knows Jack Ma? (I hope you're not just assuming that Jason would be in a position to pass along a message to Jack Ma just because they both happen to be Asian?)


I have great faith that Jason has that capability.


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