[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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How do you know they ALL feel that way?

Israel says it dropped 6,000 bombs on Gaza in one week. That's almost as many as what the US dropped in Afghanistan in one year, Business Insider, Nov 6, 2023:

I'll add that Gaza, unlike Afghanistan, is VERY densely populated. Bombing Gaza is like what it would be to bomb New York City.

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Funny, you sure look like a baby rattlesnake right now and I can't risk you biting anyone. I'm glad you understand why you need to be liquidated.

Actually not much has changed in terms of old hatreds, but I think we can all agree the Palestinian and Ukrainian conflict gets > exposure in the media and in the western political sphere than other conflicts.

Nobody marches in the streets of NY or London for enslvaved, murdered or starving Latin natives, Africans or Asians. That in itself doesn't sit right with me,

Its not really rocket science, In Gaza city there is a neighbourhood which is predominantly Afro-Palestinian that is called Hy Aleabid. The problem is when you translate it means "slave neighborhood". That's why I pull my hair out when I see BLM marching for Palestinians. Palestinians would never/ever reciprocate,

I'm not saying the Palestinians treat ethnic minorities worse than other Arabs but the issue of how people from south asia working in construction, east asia and Africa working as domestic help are treated like bonded slaves and the wider Arab community see that as normal.

You are still making sweeping generalizations about groups of people. Not everyone thinks and feels the same way. We are individuals. Even if most people in a specific demographic agree on something, that’s still not all or everyone.

Actually it's a problem throughout the Arab world. My problem is that it's "normalised" to mistreat domestic or construction workers from Asia or Africa. I have lived in a muslim country (Malaysia) for several years and met every nationality of Arab there (including Palestinians) and the lowest form of curse used by every Arab person is to call them abdi or slave (which is synonymous with calling them black). The Palestinians I knew openly talked disparagingly about Jews (not really that surprising) but what did surprise me was their common disparaging attitude toward their local (brown skinned) Malay hosts despite getting aid from the Malaysian government.

I should stress this has nothing to do with the current conflict in Palestine but people from many countries actually don't have much sympathy for the plight of Palestinians. Case in point, both Nepal and Thailand have always been pro-Palestine yet HAMAS happily took poor people from these countries as hostages. I wouldn't imagine the village people in Thailand or Nepal whose family are likely to be killed (for nothing) would be marching in the streets for Palestine

Hamas does not equal Palestine. If I was oppressed or worse by a nation’s leadership, I wouldn’t stop empathizing with their citizens because we’re all people.

So you’re making generalizations about an entire demographic based on anecdotal evidence. That is how prejudice often arises. Interesting.

Indeed.

Israel/Palestine gets disproportionate attention because it happens to be a "Holy Land" not just for Jews but also for the world's two most popular religions, Christianity and Islam, which together comprise at least half the world's population.

Agreed that the plight of enslaved, murdered or starving Latin natives, Africans or Asians SHOULD get more attention than it does.

I understand this is not in sync with the current give-and-take on this thread, however reading this, I can't help think of the 9/11 attack, and the question as to whether OBL, despite eventually dying at American hands, achieved whatever objective he had in mind when planning that attack. My point being that the attack which is the subject of this thread, has a lot of similarity to 9/11 in that the perpetrators targeted people simply for being where they were at the time the attack happened, and now we have endless back-and-forth recriminations between those who are sympathetic towards Israel and those who aren't. Of course everyone has an axe to grind. Having the "right" or the "wrong" opinion won't change the world one way or another, but we're all angry at each other, and I can't deny that it's weakening our i.e. Western society (the Chinese and the Indians certainly don't care one way or the other, except possibly if they can find a way to monetize the situation). I can't categorically deny that Hamas may have made the ultimate smart move no matter how many of their countrymen may have died or otherwise had their lives ruined in the aftermath.

Good thing you're not man enough to do it.

You seem to miss my point. You feel entitled to decide who's life doesn't matter, what makes your life more valuable than that of the people you feel entitled to call for the deaths of?

Literally nothing, you're just as hateful as you claim they are. Your life is worth exactly the same as theirs.

Also, there's nothing manly about killing random civilians. That's a really f****d up understanding of what makes a man.

You completely missed my point, I empathise with plight of Palestinians (or Ukrainians)....but no more than the plight of any other of the 100 or so groups across the world facing the same problems Palestinians (or Ukrainians).

Media focuses on Ukrainians and Palestinians (not unlike the Syrians, Albanians or Bosnians) because the closer the conflict is geographically to Europe the more attention is paid. The same level of attention is not paid to other victims of genocide, invasion. Case in point is the 4 million South Sudanese christians who died at the hands of Arab speaking Sudanese. I bet Americans can't even point to where Sudan is on a map or even know who they are.

This thread seems like an appropriate place to talk about victims in both Israel and Palestine specifically. You could start a thread (or threads) about genocide and/or oppression that has occurred in other locales, though.

You do love making blanket statements about groups of people, don’t you? Many Americans, including myself, happen to know where Sudan is.

That's actually from a quote from a Sudanese person I know

I'll have to take your word for that.

Actually this thread is about the Oct 7th HAMAS terror attack. Not what Israel has done to Palestinians

Infact most of this thread disparaging Israel should also be in another thread, looks like it got hijacked a long time ago