Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus

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Imagine rounding them all up, all 16% of the population in the USA and Australia, the 18% in the UK and many other European countries, the 20% in Spain, the 21% in France and Germany, the 23% ( 25% ? ) in Italy, and the 28% in Japan. And that's just the over-65s. And what about all the jobs they're still doing, the CEOs and politicians, etc?! . And where would you house them all?

Or designating security guards and delivery services and care workers and all the necessary essential administration and housekeeping and catering staff to look after them in their own homes/sheltered housing/care homes, after testing all of them for coronavirus. And making sure that all those millions of staff stay virus free, don't catch it from family and friends, etc.

Also it's not hard and fast. The majority of over-65s survive, but 1.3% of over-50s don't ...

I think the most important thing to do is to provide global public information and support services which help people to know what will increase their resilience and how to get it; sunshine, exercise, good nutrition, ( low-carb, protein-rich foods, oily fish, leafy green salad/vegetables, vitamin D and C and zinc etc, eating proteins and fats earlier in the day and light carbohydrate meals in the afternoon/evening, the latter very well chewed, and avoiding anti-inflammatories including ibuprofen and cortisone because suppress the immune system, ( and alcohol for the same reason ), enough sleep ( 8 hours ) and safe housing and more laughter, and and and and ... ... ... there are so many ways that people could increase resilience, if they were supported to do so, as preventative measures ...

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I am sure there are very rational reasons for hoarding trolley loads of toilet paper at a time and actually coming to blows in attaining that commodity.
However, I can't, for the life of me, see it.


I have heard figures of 600,000 deaths, due to influenza, each year on avergae.



Coronavirus can hit the elderly, and those with co-morbid conditions, hard.
According to the experts, well some at least, the majority of people under 50 (if not 60) will experience mild discomfort comparable to a cold or less.

As I have mentioned to you before, Italy has the second highest age group in the world.



I think many older people are implementing "extraordinary lock down measures" on their own initiative. It is a concern for older people after all.
And Australia has been on top of the situation to the point of having been heavily criticised for those measures.
In other words: "Your mileage may vary."

I like to think those are shop owners stocking up for their own merchandise because of the delay in supplies. If not, I sincerely hope those people have scads of children and / or they are sharing with others by shopping for the less able.

Why round them up?
No one is going to corral me, btw. I am not in China.

I thought almost every health official is talking about *self-isolation*, hence the hoarding phenomenon.
Health officials are strongly advising not to visit nursing homes, etc.
If you can do it, correspond with your aging family members and friends via phone, the internet or something like skype.


Thank you for pointing that out.

A nice point about the 3%, assuming it is accurate.
Most people are under 65.
Most people who will contract the disease will under the age of 65.
If "only" 3% of people succumb to the disease, that is basically 3% of the elderly.
Are you sure about the 3%?
If so, I suspect the figures presented to the public are inaccurate and exaggerated.

In some cases, that would be the case, yes.

3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the World Health Organization (WHO) as of March 3
In his opening remarks at the March 3 media briefing on Covid-19, WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus stated:

“Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.”

Initial estimate was 2%

Initially, the World Health Organization (WHO) had mentioned 2% as a mortality rate estimate in a press conference on Wednesday, January 29 and again on February 10. However, on January 29 WHO specified that this was a very early and provisional estimate that might have changed. Surveillance was increasing, within China but also globally, but at the time it was said that:

We don't know how many were infected ("When you look at how many people have died, you need to look at how many people where infected, and right now we don't know that number. So it is early to put a percentage on that.".
The only number currently known is how many people have died out of those who have been reported to the WHO.
It is therefore very early to make any conclusive statements about what the overall mortality rate will be for the novel coronavirus, according to the World Health Organization

It just seems like the weirdest thing in the world to be stockpiling toilet paper.
All sorts of other disasters happen and you here about canned goods or water or batteries or something. See pictures of empty shelves. Pretty much the only solid information I've found about coronavirus (and I'll admit that I haven't looked it up at all) is that people are buying obscene amounts of toilet paper.

In Sydney Australia there were people selling toilet paper at marked prices on the roadside. Plenty of social media users bragging their latest conquests by showcasing their stash/booty of paper products (they used brag about being rich by showing off "bling")

Yes such people should be forced to give up their stash to charities who are struggling to find donations to provide the poor/elderly.

Its a form of self-locus/control where people want to gain some sense of control over pandemic anxiety by stocking up. It is for many people a form of "fighting back". However it also shows ignorance as paper products are the one item not impacted by trade because countries usually rely on their own timber for making tissue paper.

Indeed, my fault, sorry. I have just corrected that figure. I realised after logging off and trying and failing to go to sleep that I'd quoted the wrong figure. It's 3.6% of 60-69 year olds who die, and 3.4% is the WHO estimated overall fatality rate , but the age related rate for 50-59 is actually only 1.3%.

The figures are the percentage fatality rate for cases of certain ages, *not* percentage of the people who died. That is, 1.3% of all patients aged 50-60 died. And 3.6% of all patients aged 60-70 died ... and14% of over 80s. And cardiovascular conditions increased death rates at any age by almost exactly 10%.

I'll remind everyone that girls and women require more TP than men, for feminine hygiene purposes. Girls and women also need it when they only pee. Regardless, I still take umbrage with anyone stockpiling any product to the detriment of others, or those who are unable to shop for themselves. I'm donating food to my church and I'll be sure to add a few packs of TP since I happen to have more than enough (there was a sale a few weeks back, before this mayhem).

LOL but maybe the first people to stockpile toilet paper were buying it because they thought that the coronavirus meant that they were going to get awful colds ( many colds are caused by "lesser" coronaviruses ), and dreadfully dribbly noses and maybe they have lots of children too and it's definitely the cheapest kind of tissue paper, even cheaper than kitchen towel roll.

And then other people, fuelled by rational levels of panic, ( triggered by the significantly higher than usual death rates predicted ), simply copy them, blindly. I'm not saying that people's behaviour/decisions when panicked are rational ... except in so far as they swiftly follow the herd/group, which in the wild is often very sensible.

If governments were giving them anything constructive to do apart from washing their hands and avoiding people, which is totally against all NT instincts and must be increasing their sense of panic, then perhaps they'd be all blindly disinfecting surfaces, or exercising in the sunshine and frantically eating oily fish and watching funny films.

Oddly enough just stumbled on this piece in the Guardian about an economist's take on the current crisis, in which they say something similar about the potentially very serious effects of the deep conflict between fear and having to avoid herd/gathering/clustering behaviour.

NTs are very odd.
Go figure.

Doesn't take you long before you produce ignorant posts

Obviously it's for a household filled to the brim with those with irritable bowel syndrome. The war against explosive diarrhea must be won at all costs. Trolley loads of toilet paper are a small price to pay for peace of mind.