Sex crimes in Europe by North African and Arab men

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It was not an isolated incident at Woodstock. And not every female reporter covering the Arab Spring was raped, they were isolated incidents also. One difference is that authorities in Germany would not or could not stop it. At Woodstock 1999 the National Guard went innand cleared out the place before it got to the level of Cologne

I agree that Europe has put itself in quite a situation by just letting in so many refugees uncontrolled like that. I assume German authorities if they were aware(it was New Years Eve so I can't assume that was the case) might have been afraid of reaction. Ironically given the political climate in 1969 in America if Gov Rockefeller had sent in the national guard to the original Woodstock as he wanted to he would have killed and injured more people then the guard killed at Kent State and the national reaction might have been even more then with Kent State.

Be it the refugee crises or heat and ripoffs at Woodstock are factors probably important factors exacerbating the situation. That does not make it the cause. Rape has been used as a deliberate war tactic as long as there has been war. I have yet to see evidence that there was that type of pre planning at Cologne. There have been many many allegations and assumptions that this was the case but nothing close to definitive proof yet. If for some reason massive amount of Americans had to be refugees somewhere and overwhelmed the locals conditions were bad and the opportunity presented itself bad stuff would happen also. Assume it was their culture or deliberate all you want, I will assume the main cause at Cologne is usually what it is in mass rape situations until proven otherwise. The sense of entitlement for rapists is not location but to another persons body. If anything bieng in a new to a place and knowing your stay might be temporary might increase the sense of of entitlement.

If it is proven thier religion or culture was a factor that would be an explanation for thier sense of entitlement.

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They threw firecrackers into the crowds to deliberately separate women from their friends and mob them in groups 20-30 people, how is that not premeditation?

So, in your opinion, these rabid beasts felt entitled to the German women's bodies and acted at the first available opportunity because they did NOT know how much time they had to access said bodies ?



The above - the sense of the entitlement to a woman's body and acting as soon as they can on that entitlement, in light of the uncertainty of the length of the stay and the possible lack of future "opportunities" - proves that it was their misogynistic "culture" at work here.

I don't know why a bunch of American males are deliberating the motives of these rabid beasts. Just castrate the lot and send back to the hell hole they emerged from. And if German men can't bring themselves to do it, hand these animals over to the women - preferably the same women they violated - and they will probably be more than happy to take care of it for you.

People toss firecrackers at midnight on New Year's Eve. All it might mean is one guy or a small group did it and everybody thought that is a good idea. Possibly not unsimilar to the arson at Woodstock that targeted the people that ripped them off. That does not proved a well planned conspiracy or something inherent in the culture.

Would you be comfortable sending your mother/sister/daughter to a Muslim country? That is the real gist of it and people can beat around the bush all they want but Islam has a serious issue with how they treat women, these people are literally coming straight from a place where they stone women to death for being raped so lets not pretend like their values don't follow them especially when allowed to immigrate en masse with no vetting whatsoever. That is real life in the middle east, again I could show you some videos since they document it real well.

There 650 criminal complaints made and 350 of them were sexual in nature, it was wide spread and coordinated by a specific group of people that they can't seem to or want to hold accountable. 5 people are in custody, just 5. There will be no justice here, the German authorities will make sure of that.

Believe or not I basically agree with you. I said the location might have been a factor. My whole point that I have utterly failed to get across is that everybody should stop getting sidetracked by culture because of lack of evidence and because it is at most it is a factor not the cause of most rapes which is a sense of entitlement which is a key element in misogyny.

I just seriously think it might be too late for your solution. Once a cancer gets too far no amount of brutal radiation or chemo is going to help. I understand most of the refugees are not the beasts but were trying to escape from the beasts. But to let in so many in unfiltered might prove to be suicidal.

Depends on which country or area of a country. Parts of Jordan are probably ok. I would be a lot less comfortable sending them to Detroit, or to my employer in the 1980's for that matter then to certain Muslim areas. I have known too many people who I believe would behave like that if given the opportunity and belief they won't be punished. It all depends on the specific situation. But again the general problem with the beliefs of a scarily large percentage of Muslims does not prove causation or a well planned conspiracy in Colonge.

Middle Eastern / Islamic "culture" is a lot more misogynistic than many others. I agree that there is a degree of misogyny even in so-called "progressive, Western culture", but radical Islam takes the cake when it comes to hating the female of the species.

These men probably had never seen a woman without a whole body covering in their native Syria, so they must have thought that Kufar woman dressed in "skimpy outfits" (which is what they think of anyone whose hair and body are not hidden behind a whole-body burqa) "are asking for it". Most Western men would not look at a woman - ANY woman, whether she is Asian, Middle Eastern, African, Hispanic, White, whatever - dressed in reasonable, every-day attire and think that she's dressed "provocatively". It's all relative. However, it appears that these rabid beasts' definition of "provocation" is anyone who is showing off a quarter of a finger-nail -- and that has do with their lovely "culture".

AND, would they have dared to feel entitled to the bodies of their compatriot women in their native Syria, even if a woman had dared to run around with - say - "Western attire" ? Not just no, but hell no. They would have probably sat around and watched her be stoned to death for "tempting the menfolk" but they would not have dared to touch her, had they been in Syria, however much they wanted to personally assault her. But the fact that they had no compunctions acting on their animal instincts on the streets of Germany, raped at the first available opportunity, given the lack of said "opportunities" back in their own hell-holes of homelands, makes these attacks about their wonderful "culture".

Secondly, even if you argue that this wasn't about their "culture" but about location, motive and opportunity, and if mass rapes are part of "war", then they effectively declared war against their hosts by violating their women. So treat them as Daesh - not Americans - would treat prisoners of war. Apply the laws of Sharia - which is the only law - these b@stards understand. That would be castration. What frustrates me is the white man's "cultured and humanitarian" manner of handling these criminals with "kid gloves". When will you white people get it ?



Time to close your borders. Don't play ministering angels to them anymore. Charity begins at home. Take care of your women and children, first. Your own families and communities come first. Let the Middle Easterns worry about the Middle East. Quit Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, Japan, and wherever else you guys have a pulse on, and let them all take care of themselves. You just worry about yourselves and your own community's and country's development / progress.

Depends is not a very inspiring answer. We don't have to use a hypothetical country or area of said country, lets use where these refugees actually come from. Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Eritrea, Sudan, the Caucasus, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, and other parts of west and north Africa. Basically the most regressive dangerous places on the planet, why might that be?

I will agree the my response is not inspiring. But that is the often cynical and pessimistic way I view the world. I am Jewish and look at people who have been nice to me and ask myself if we were in Nazi Germany would they turn me in and too often the answer is yes.

And what do you think these people think about Jews? Jews in Europe seem to be pretty worried since they're fleeing the continent in numbers unseen since the 1930s, Netanyahu says Europe is no longer safe for Jews and the reason is obvious.

OK, I understand your meaning better. Fair enough--but:
None of this has emerged suddenly or unexpectedly. There is a well known cultural context that is very troubling.

Since you seem to be unaware of this context, I have put together a few links that may be helpful.

The myth of the western woman...
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... tern-women
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/arti ... slim-lands

What I am arguing is that men from these cultural contexts living in Europe without ever learning the new values and culture of their new environment are inevitably going to cause problems. I am also suggesting that the governments of Western nations with a liberal tradition of democracy, rule of law and human rights have a moral obligation to defend their culture against incoming populations that hold values inimical to their own.

Yes, rape culture transcends religious and regional groups--there is plenty of trouble with rape, trafficking of sex slaves and sexual abuse in Europe--but, that does not make it acceptable that these men are bringing their disgusting attitudes toward women with them as they migrate to Europe, America and elsewhere.

Please note that these observations are not from a left-wing or right-wing perspective, or based in liberal or conservative dogma, but instead are drawn from Arab, African, European and American news sources with a diverse range of political perspectives.

Some more links that may be helpful in developing an understanding of the troubling cultural context these men are coming from, with reports from Afghanistan and Pakistan right the way through the Middle East and across North Africa to Morocco:

Pakistan's pervasive rape culture and tribal law
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety ... onths.html\
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakis ... 3I20110812
http://www.enca.com/world/pakistan-trib ... -gang-rape

Rape and abuse in Afghanistan
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world ... -boys.html
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/ ... n-made-usa

Iraq
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/middleeas ... em-muslim/

Syria
http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... is/274583/

Egypt
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/21/opini ... lence.html

Libya and Libyan soldiers abroad
http://www.euronews.com/2011/06/09/un-s ... pe-policy/
http://www.euronews.com/2015/05/11/dest ... s-amnesty/
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... -cambridge

Tunisia
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26820712
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ ... man-or-gay

Morocco
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-25855025
http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015/10 ... in-prison/
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 56401.html

Amnesty International report: "Sexual violence in Algeria,Tunisia and Morocco"
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/sexual-viole ... plJwOgrLgk

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And just how do you propose to do this ?

The reference to "human rights and democracy" ? Is this a veiled suggestion that these animals will be handled the "Western way" aka the "democratic and humanitarian" way, the way that does NOTHING but makes you a laughing stock in the eyes of these vile beasts and your women "sitting ducks" ?

Wrong in so many ways!

Why do you make yourself an enemy of western civilization? Why do you insist that we must we adopt Sharia in order to defeat it?

A couple of minor points:

Castration is not the penalty for either sexual assault or rape in most traditions of Sharia. The penalty for rape may include stoning to death of either the victim or the perpetrator or both, depending on the whim of the court, as I understand it.

Western civilization is not the property of "the white man." The values of western civilization are inculcated in men and women of all races and they are effective representatives and exemplars of its traditions and extraordinary virtues.

Humans are animals. Humans make and understand culture.
The proposition that animals don't understand culture is false.

When will you atavistic enemies of western values realize the full power of western civilization's omnivorous, hegemonizing tendencies? Islamism and other fads may briefly flare up from time to time, but the world is being relentlessly, continuously transformed by our culture and there is nothing the bitter and backward adherents of Islamism or any other movement can do about it. Their attacks on our culture will be no more effective than Xerxes' chastisement of the Hellespont.

More dangerous in the short term is the insidious attack from within by the likes of Donald Trump--but they and their ersatz ideologies are just as doomed in the long run.

You are much too confident in the fate of western civilization, we are the real minority on this planet and we are the only civilization in history of the world that values equality and rights of the individual over that of the collective. Birthrates in Europe are far far below replacement level, within 100 years a large amount of Europe will be Muslim and everything that western civilization built over millennia will be washed away, we are returning to a time before enlightenment. I see our way of life needing preserving, not theirs.

They are fleeing radical Islamic terrorism. And there is the background of centuries of deadly anti semitism that was there long before the immigration of Muslims. So they have good reason'to think the non Muslims agree with Radical Islamic anti Semitic terrorism. Roving bands of rapists have little or nothing to do with it.