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12 Jan 2017, 6:00 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
kazanscube wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I did not believe Hussein had WMD's, and opposed Bush's adventurism into Iraq from the start.
Well there you go. I have similar doubts regarding this so far. It's not like either Saddam Hussein or Vladimir Putin were/are above what they were'are being accused of, it's that what was being presented just didn't sound quite right. And there were independent experts saying it the whole WMD deal was false info.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Yes, Putin had been a Gorbachev supporter, but Hitler had also briefly flirted with communism after WWI. People and their intentions change.
Oh good grief. The endless comparisons to Hitler.
I'm using Hitler as an example, I'm not comparing anyone to him.
Recently, I had seen a press conference pertaining to Trump in regards to the fake news story about him, wherein he said that in Nazi Germany Hitler would not have put up with such crap. Yeah, but during that time period there was no outlets to pose dissenting opinions towards Hitler or the Nazi's etiher since the press had wound up being neutered to where all news outlets in Germany could only print news stories presenting a positive view of Hitler and Nazi.
The Nazis had after all crushed all opposition in the press, and had outlawed his enemies in organized labor, and rival political parties. No one to speak out anymore.
I apologize for, I failed to mention many other civil liberties as you had mentioned.
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12 Jan 2017, 6:28 pm
kazanscube wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
kazanscube wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I did not believe Hussein had WMD's, and opposed Bush's adventurism into Iraq from the start.
Well there you go. I have similar doubts regarding this so far. It's not like either Saddam Hussein or Vladimir Putin were/are above what they were'are being accused of, it's that what was being presented just didn't sound quite right. And there were independent experts saying it the whole WMD deal was false info.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Yes, Putin had been a Gorbachev supporter, but Hitler had also briefly flirted with communism after WWI. People and their intentions change.
Oh good grief. The endless comparisons to Hitler.
I'm using Hitler as an example, I'm not comparing anyone to him.
Recently, I had seen a press conference pertaining to Trump in regards to the fake news story about him, wherein he said that in Nazi Germany Hitler would not have put up with such crap. Yeah, but during that time period there was no outlets to pose dissenting opinions towards Hitler or the Nazi's etiher since the press had wound up being neutered to where all news outlets in Germany could only print news stories presenting a positive view of Hitler and Nazi.
The Nazis had after all crushed all opposition in the press, and had outlawed his enemies in organized labor, and rival political parties. No one to speak out anymore.
I apologize for, I failed to mention many other civil liberties as you had mentioned.
Quite alright.
13 Jan 2017, 3:35 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
There wasn't anything sophisticated at all about the alleged "hacks", yes a 14 year old could of done it easily. I'll take Julian Assange's word as someone that knows technology over unnamed sources and media talking heads that specialize in warmongering. The CIA should not be trusted ever, they are shrewd political players and liars. Bob Barr is not a credible source of anything. Unless the person was a rank amateur they wouldn't be able to trace this, I don't think it is possible retroactively, it is very simple to not only cover your tracks but to make them look like they came from someone else too.
John Podesta gave his own password away, there was no brute force cracking or some sort of 80s movie hacker ****. Almost always when there is some major breach it's because some dumby screwed up, they get the information they want from simple techniques like phishing or social engineering. A lot of people haven't seemed to grasp yet the concept of a secure password, you'd think the dodos out there would of stopped using password as there password 20+ years ago but passwords like that still seem like the norm with a lot of people unless forced to do otherwise. Podesta stupidly clicked on a fake email which was verified incompetently by one of the Clinton tech people who seemed to have a lot of problems.
John Podesta gave his own password away, there was no brute force cracking or some sort of 80s movie hacker ****. Almost always when there is some major breach it's because some dumby screwed up, they get the information they want from simple techniques like phishing or social engineering. A lot of people haven't seemed to grasp yet the concept of a secure password, you'd think the dodos out there would of stopped using password as there password 20+ years ago but passwords like that still seem like the norm with a lot of people unless forced to do otherwise. Podesta stupidly clicked on a fake email which was verified incompetently by one of the Clinton tech people who seemed to have a lot of problems.
Well, if you watch CNN this morning, you'll find that very issue is being discussed. Can the CIA be trusted? Not always, no, but Assange and Putin have far greater trust issues. Trump had originally said Assange should have been executed, till wh***y started covering for him, while Putin has a long history of interfering with the elections of foreign countries he's hostile to. Plus, Assange has worked with the state run Russian news service, making their collusion all the more likely. What Trump's forgetting is, as President he will need US intelligence, but his rejection of their findings on this matter will at the very least lead to a frosty relationship in the next four years.
Have you considered the possibility that you support Trump on this matter simply because you support Trump in general?
You watch a lot of CNN don't you? Assange is a very honest man. When has Assange "worked with" RT? What findings?
Assange sold himself as an honest man. But if this is all proven to be true, then he is anything but.
And if he's so honest, why hasn't he exposed Putin's abuses? Bill Maher asked him why he hasn't exposed Trump's tax returns, and just got a brush off. Seems Julian is pretty selective in who he exposes, which means he's hardly the crusader he claims to be.
Bill Maher!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Have you even watched the Assange interviews with Pilger and Hannity? Until you have, don't bother replying.I mentioned Maher because he had consistently been an Assange ally. The fact that Assange did nothing about revealing Trump's tax returns left Maher bewildered.
Doesn't take much to bewilder that imbecile. Assange was just doing the job the corrupted media should have been doing, i.e revealing truths about Clinton. If the media was fair Trump would have won even more easily. Assange isn't hiding out in an Embassy for being a liar.
Maher isn't the media, he's a political satirist like Mark Twain. Still, Maher's question still stands: why didn't Assange out Trump's tax returns? If he was the honest activist he claims to be, he should be an equal opportunity iconoclast. After all, Maher goes after both sides of the aisle.
More fair to Trump? It's the media's job to report when a major political candidate says inflammatory and contradictory things, or when there's the hint of law breaking. Were they supposed to ignore how Trump University was a confidence scheme? Or how he had weaseled out of paying taxes? Or how he had shafted workers and contractors?
No, Assange is in hiding because he broke the law. And he would be indebted to anyone who protected him, even if that person was an autocratic strongman like Putin.
I'm not talking about Maher, that moron is irrelevant. This is a guy who 'joked' about killing people and beating women. Maher is a biased imbecile. I just answered. Assange was leveling the playing field as the media was silent on all of Clinton's crimes. The New York Times released some of Trump's tax records, but didn't say a thing about Clinton's ties to Saudi Arabia and Qatar who fund ISIS. They actually wrote an article praising her foundation. Hahaha, the media focuses on what Trump said on a bus 11 years ago but completely ignores that Clinton is a mass murderer and laughed and bragged about getting a child rapist's sentence reduced.
Assange is in hiding for telling the truth. Snowden is in hiding for telling the truth. Manning is locked away for telling the truth. The claims about Assange are made up. I didn't realise Putin was the leader of Ecuador...
Again, why isn't Assange revealing both sides? Putin is a despotic strongman, and Trump is a narcissistic man baby with a dirty past. But you wouldn't know any of that if you depended on Assange.
I've answered twice. Don't talk to me about knowledge.
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13 Jan 2017, 6:33 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
There wasn't anything sophisticated at all about the alleged "hacks", yes a 14 year old could of done it easily. I'll take Julian Assange's word as someone that knows technology over unnamed sources and media talking heads that specialize in warmongering. The CIA should not be trusted ever, they are shrewd political players and liars. Bob Barr is not a credible source of anything. Unless the person was a rank amateur they wouldn't be able to trace this, I don't think it is possible retroactively, it is very simple to not only cover your tracks but to make them look like they came from someone else too.
John Podesta gave his own password away, there was no brute force cracking or some sort of 80s movie hacker ****. Almost always when there is some major breach it's because some dumby screwed up, they get the information they want from simple techniques like phishing or social engineering. A lot of people haven't seemed to grasp yet the concept of a secure password, you'd think the dodos out there would of stopped using password as there password 20+ years ago but passwords like that still seem like the norm with a lot of people unless forced to do otherwise. Podesta stupidly clicked on a fake email which was verified incompetently by one of the Clinton tech people who seemed to have a lot of problems.
John Podesta gave his own password away, there was no brute force cracking or some sort of 80s movie hacker ****. Almost always when there is some major breach it's because some dumby screwed up, they get the information they want from simple techniques like phishing or social engineering. A lot of people haven't seemed to grasp yet the concept of a secure password, you'd think the dodos out there would of stopped using password as there password 20+ years ago but passwords like that still seem like the norm with a lot of people unless forced to do otherwise. Podesta stupidly clicked on a fake email which was verified incompetently by one of the Clinton tech people who seemed to have a lot of problems.
Well, if you watch CNN this morning, you'll find that very issue is being discussed. Can the CIA be trusted? Not always, no, but Assange and Putin have far greater trust issues. Trump had originally said Assange should have been executed, till wh***y started covering for him, while Putin has a long history of interfering with the elections of foreign countries he's hostile to. Plus, Assange has worked with the state run Russian news service, making their collusion all the more likely. What Trump's forgetting is, as President he will need US intelligence, but his rejection of their findings on this matter will at the very least lead to a frosty relationship in the next four years.
Have you considered the possibility that you support Trump on this matter simply because you support Trump in general?
You watch a lot of CNN don't you? Assange is a very honest man. When has Assange "worked with" RT? What findings?
Assange sold himself as an honest man. But if this is all proven to be true, then he is anything but.
And if he's so honest, why hasn't he exposed Putin's abuses? Bill Maher asked him why he hasn't exposed Trump's tax returns, and just got a brush off. Seems Julian is pretty selective in who he exposes, which means he's hardly the crusader he claims to be.
Bill Maher!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Have you even watched the Assange interviews with Pilger and Hannity? Until you have, don't bother replying.I mentioned Maher because he had consistently been an Assange ally. The fact that Assange did nothing about revealing Trump's tax returns left Maher bewildered.
Doesn't take much to bewilder that imbecile. Assange was just doing the job the corrupted media should have been doing, i.e revealing truths about Clinton. If the media was fair Trump would have won even more easily. Assange isn't hiding out in an Embassy for being a liar.
Maher isn't the media, he's a political satirist like Mark Twain. Still, Maher's question still stands: why didn't Assange out Trump's tax returns? If he was the honest activist he claims to be, he should be an equal opportunity iconoclast. After all, Maher goes after both sides of the aisle.
More fair to Trump? It's the media's job to report when a major political candidate says inflammatory and contradictory things, or when there's the hint of law breaking. Were they supposed to ignore how Trump University was a confidence scheme? Or how he had weaseled out of paying taxes? Or how he had shafted workers and contractors?
No, Assange is in hiding because he broke the law. And he would be indebted to anyone who protected him, even if that person was an autocratic strongman like Putin.
I'm not talking about Maher, that moron is irrelevant. This is a guy who 'joked' about killing people and beating women. Maher is a biased imbecile. I just answered. Assange was leveling the playing field as the media was silent on all of Clinton's crimes. The New York Times released some of Trump's tax records, but didn't say a thing about Clinton's ties to Saudi Arabia and Qatar who fund ISIS. They actually wrote an article praising her foundation. Hahaha, the media focuses on what Trump said on a bus 11 years ago but completely ignores that Clinton is a mass murderer and laughed and bragged about getting a child rapist's sentence reduced.
Assange is in hiding for telling the truth. Snowden is in hiding for telling the truth. Manning is locked away for telling the truth. The claims about Assange are made up. I didn't realise Putin was the leader of Ecuador...
Again, why isn't Assange revealing both sides? Putin is a despotic strongman, and Trump is a narcissistic man baby with a dirty past. But you wouldn't know any of that if you depended on Assange.
I've answered twice. Don't talk to me about knowledge.
Well, that's all you're going to get from me.
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