What's up with Devin Nunes?
25 Mar 2017, 10:02 pm
Shahunshah wrote:
Also what the hell is this arrogance to think that foreigners shouldn't speak about America.
Much of the World's problems have all been America's fault. When Co2 emissions increased in the early 2000s violating the Kyoto protocol America was to blame. This can be detrimental for the world
When the Global Financial recession happened in 2008 it was the lack of banking regulations in America that caused it.
When Iraq became unstable in the 2000s it happened was due to American involvement.
When the Rwanda genocide happened in the 1990s and resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Tutsis, American complacency was a key driver of it.
You don't want to be judged. Don't screw up and carry the world down with it. Know when to support and not support someone I can't stress this enough. Your actions impact us and all and I am not sure if you know it.
Much of the World's problems have all been America's fault. When Co2 emissions increased in the early 2000s violating the Kyoto protocol America was to blame. This can be detrimental for the world
When the Global Financial recession happened in 2008 it was the lack of banking regulations in America that caused it.
When Iraq became unstable in the 2000s it happened was due to American involvement.
When the Rwanda genocide happened in the 1990s and resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Tutsis, American complacency was a key driver of it.
You don't want to be judged. Don't screw up and carry the world down with it. Know when to support and not support someone I can't stress this enough. Your actions impact us and all and I am not sure if you know it.
I myself don't have a problem with it.
However like I asked before, how would you feel if I started making negative threads about New Zealand?
25 Mar 2017, 10:59 pm
EzraS wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Also what the hell is this arrogance to think that foreigners shouldn't speak about America.
Much of the World's problems have all been America's fault. When Co2 emissions increased in the early 2000s violating the Kyoto protocol America was to blame. This can be detrimental for the world
When the Global Financial recession happened in 2008 it was the lack of banking regulations in America that caused it.
When Iraq became unstable in the 2000s it happened was due to American involvement.
When the Rwanda genocide happened in the 1990s and resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Tutsis, American complacency was a key driver of it.
You don't want to be judged. Don't screw up and carry the world down with it. Know when to support and not support someone I can't stress this enough. Your actions impact us and all and I am not sure if you know it.
Much of the World's problems have all been America's fault. When Co2 emissions increased in the early 2000s violating the Kyoto protocol America was to blame. This can be detrimental for the world
When the Global Financial recession happened in 2008 it was the lack of banking regulations in America that caused it.
When Iraq became unstable in the 2000s it happened was due to American involvement.
When the Rwanda genocide happened in the 1990s and resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Tutsis, American complacency was a key driver of it.
You don't want to be judged. Don't screw up and carry the world down with it. Know when to support and not support someone I can't stress this enough. Your actions impact us and all and I am not sure if you know it.
I myself don't have a problem with it.
However like I asked before, how would you feel if I started making negative threads about New Zealand?
If it is valid we should listen to it. Nothing good ever happens from people refraining from being critical of another country, all it does is prevents the other side from seeing what their doing wrong.
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26 Mar 2017, 3:36 pm
Shahunshah wrote:
lol why you looking forward to that?
I told you already.
EzraS wrote:
None of that is damage though. Or anything really resembling damage.
What do you mean when you are using the term damage?
Globe & Mail: Intel chair apologizes to Democrats as credibility of Russia probe questioned
Quote:
It’s common for Americans to get caught up in U.S. surveillance of foreigners, such as foreign diplomats in the U.S. talking to an American. Typically, the American’s name would not be revealed in a report about the intercepted communications. However, if there is a foreign intelligence value to revealing the American’s name, it is “unmasked” and shared with other intelligence analysts who are working on related foreign intelligence surveillance.
Schiff disputed Nunes’ suggestions that there was improper “unmasking.” He said that after speaking with Nunes, it appeared that the names of Americans were still guarded in the intercepts though their identities could be gleaned from the materials.
Schiff disputed Nunes’ suggestions that there was improper “unmasking.” He said that after speaking with Nunes, it appeared that the names of Americans were still guarded in the intercepts though their identities could be gleaned from the materials.
There was nothing illegal about the surveillance Trump was caught in. Obama did not wiretap him.
This Russian business could sink Trump's dingy.
26 Mar 2017, 4:04 pm
androbot01 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lol why you looking forward to that?
I told you already.
EzraS wrote:
None of that is damage though. Or anything really resembling damage.
What do you mean when you are using the term damage?
Globe & Mail: Intel chair apologizes to Democrats as credibility of Russia probe questioned
Quote:
It’s common for Americans to get caught up in U.S. surveillance of foreigners, such as foreign diplomats in the U.S. talking to an American. Typically, the American’s name would not be revealed in a report about the intercepted communications. However, if there is a foreign intelligence value to revealing the American’s name, it is “unmasked” and shared with other intelligence analysts who are working on related foreign intelligence surveillance.
Schiff disputed Nunes’ suggestions that there was improper “unmasking.” He said that after speaking with Nunes, it appeared that the names of Americans were still guarded in the intercepts though their identities could be gleaned from the materials.
Schiff disputed Nunes’ suggestions that there was improper “unmasking.” He said that after speaking with Nunes, it appeared that the names of Americans were still guarded in the intercepts though their identities could be gleaned from the materials.
There was nothing illegal about the surveillance Trump was caught in. Obama did not wiretap him.
This Russian business could sink Trump's dingy.
How?
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26 Mar 2017, 5:57 pm
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...why is it anybody's business, but our OWN?
Its freedom of speech. People also need to understand both their and abroad that Trump's actions are wrong.Sure, it's Freedom of Speech----and, I'll be the FIRST one to defend it----but, even that Act (FoS) has its limitations (like, you can't shout "Fire" [unless there IS one] in a crowded movie theatre); and, I feel there should be a limitation, HERE, on WP, regarding the "criticism" (YOUR word, remember) of Americans (you just said "if anything maybe they should be criticized a bit more"); because there IS, afterall, a rule on WP, that says: "Unacceptable content includes... behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members..."; and, in essence, IMO, because there are Americans, on this site, that statement you made about criticizing us "a bit more" is your intending to belittle us.
There's a way to be tactful, about it----like, instead of saying: "they supported a candidate in spite of some real flaws", (that's a VERY matter-of-fact statement) how 'bout saying, something like: "He seems to have so many flaws, and I was just wondering why some of you guys would support someone, like that?" (much more "gentle", IMO). Don't get me wrong, I'm not a very "gentle" speaker, MYSELF, in PRIVATE----but, IMO, in PUBLIC, it is better to conform to that social convention. I see ASDers, all-the-time, on here, who like to whine because they didn't get along with someone / someone "attacked" them, or something, yet they're unwilling to conform; so, IMO, they have no one to blame, but themselves.
Also, "flaws" is subjective. There's been many-a-time, on here, that someone has said "I don't like him, because...", and the next person says: "I don't have a problem with him, doing that----what *I* have a problem with, is..."; and, because you're not a U.S. citizen, it's seems likely that the chances of you having even MORE of a difference of opinion, would be higher. Again, how is it that you seem to be saying, a few pages back, that it seemed people were being too harsh, on Americans----and, that if they lived in the Rust Belt, they might have voted for Mr. Trump, TOO----and, NOW you're saying that maybe we should be criticized "a bit more"?
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26 Mar 2017, 6:01 pm
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androbot01 wrote:
Trump is unable to express himself adequately. He has created a question about the truth and meaning of words. Fortunately he is being called on it by both the press and the branches of government. I am not sure if it is because he can't translate his thoughts to vocalization or if he has no thoughts. I tend to think the latter. In his recent Time magazine interview regarding truth, many of his answers called into question his understanding of the concept.
Time: Can President Trump Handle the Truth?
Trump has the character of an abuser of low character. When his health care bill failed he took no responsibility, blaming the democrats. Well, duh, of course the democrats are against it. He strongly coerced republicans to vote for it knowing it was against their conscience. Then when it failed he walked away from it, saying it's going to explode and it'll serve you right. The irony being that this is the best thing under the circumstances that could have happened to Obamacare. Not to mention the people who would have lost their health care coverage.
There's the numerous international incidents and escalation in tensions regarding American/Russian relations.
There's the conflict of interest between his business and executive interests; leaving him open to bribery and coercion.
There's all the people effected by the Muslim travel ban, before it was halted. The problems created for them by that incident have not gone away.
Time: Can President Trump Handle the Truth?
Trump has the character of an abuser of low character. When his health care bill failed he took no responsibility, blaming the democrats. Well, duh, of course the democrats are against it. He strongly coerced republicans to vote for it knowing it was against their conscience. Then when it failed he walked away from it, saying it's going to explode and it'll serve you right. The irony being that this is the best thing under the circumstances that could have happened to Obamacare. Not to mention the people who would have lost their health care coverage.
There's the numerous international incidents and escalation in tensions regarding American/Russian relations.
There's the conflict of interest between his business and executive interests; leaving him open to bribery and coercion.
There's all the people effected by the Muslim travel ban, before it was halted. The problems created for them by that incident have not gone away.
None of that is damage though. Or anything really resembling damage.
EXACTLY!! IMO, they are just more of people runnin'-around, hysterically shouting "The sky is falling----the SKY is falling!!".
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26 Mar 2017, 6:02 pm
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Also what the hell is this arrogance to think that foreigners shouldn't speak about America.
You don't want to be judged. Don't screw up and carry the world down with it. Know when to support and not support someone I can't stress this enough. Your actions impact us and all and I am not sure if you know it.
You don't want to be judged. Don't screw up and carry the world down with it. Know when to support and not support someone I can't stress this enough. Your actions impact us and all and I am not sure if you know it.
Oh, and it's NOT arrogance for a "foreigner" (YOUR word) to think they can just say anything they want, about the U.S. / her citizens, on a U.S. site, without an American defending themselves / their country?
Here's the way *I* look at----and, maybe you've seen me post about this, before..... Posting on a forum site is like walking into a room full of people, in person----now, would you go right up to someone (a U.S. citizen-someone), in person, and get right in their face, and say something like "I think Americans should be criticized a bit MORE!"? I don't think you would. It's really easy to sit in front of a computer screen, a WORLD away (so-to-speak), and have all KINDS of bravery----but, for future reference, if you ever come up here (depending-on where you go, here), I would seriously suggest that you DON'T do that, cuz you just might go home in a pine box.
Also, if you're like most ASDers on here, you've been picked-on alot, in your life----and, how'd that make you feel? Did it give you Happy Feet----did you say "Please, sir, may I have some more"----did it make you dance-around your bedroom, singing "My Favorite Things"? If you had to REALLY fight, to keep from allowing it to make you feel like scum-of-the-earth, then, please remember that when you criticize others.
Again, terms like "screw-up" and phrases like "Know when to support and not support someone", are SUBJECTIVE----and, you can stress it everyday, and twice on Sunday, it doesn't MATTER what you think (in this regard), because you're not a U.S. citizen!!
Yes, I have a pretty good idea of our standing, in the world----but, since you don't seem to think you're too big for your britches (and, because you're preachin' to the choir), how 'bout you write President Trump with all this emotion you're feeling, and tell HIM, instead of us underlings, here, on WP!!
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26 Mar 2017, 6:06 pm
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If you think logically about it, if someone broke into your house, would you be like: "Oh, HI! I'm SOOOO glad you're here!! We were just sitting-down to supper----would you like to join us?"; I don't think you would.
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Yes, I'm very sensitive----to the point of almost making someone else's troubles, my own----it was all I could do, not to out-and-out BAWL when they showed that woman in the truck, behind bars, having to leave her kids, behind, because they were deporting her; but, here's the thing..... Quite frankly, when you do the crime, you do the time----and, her "time" (punishment) was having to leave her kids, here, because she CHOSE to come into this country, ILLEGALLY. I mean, the whole thing about doing something illegally, is that it's a roll-of-the-dice----sometimes you win, sometimes you lose----and, IMO, it's ludicrous to blame someone else when you lose.
You should be wary of "logical" reasons to hurt peoples, as it's easy to rationalize even the most vile of things, and the smarter you are the more easy it is. Balancing rationality and feelings is a tricky thing, but voluntary hurting or deporting millions of peoples, outside of the necessity of war (And wars should certainly not be started lightly), is a big no to me.
Beside your comparison to house broking is flawed, as immigrants, legals or not, only want to live in their country of adoption and not stealing things in it. Saying that they are "stealing jobs" is also dishonest, as jobs must be created to give them access to foods, housing, education, culture and a lot of other things.
It's not about "logical reasons", it's about LAWS----and, as I said before, if you break 'em, you gotta pay for that. Canada has laws regarding who / why people come there, without the government's say-so, so what's the problem? Again, we're talking about people ILLEGALLY entering our country.
You, TOO, can say "no", all-you-want----and, it doesn't matter what you say, EITHER (regarding this issue), because you're not a U.S. citizen.
Again, it's NOT about "legals or not"----this is ONLY about the "or not", part----and, they most certainly ARE stealing!! That aforementioned woman, ALONE, was being deported because she came here ILLEGALLY, and was using a made-up SSN to get a job----and, that was a job that she STOLE from a U.S. citizen (or, somebody with LEGAL papers), and I would bet almost ANYTHING, that there's THOUSANDS, more, like her.
LOL For them, "...jobs must be created"----where do you get this stuff? Are you friggin' kidding me? NOBODY has to / SHOULD be creating jobs for ILLEGALS----ESPECIALLY, when there's nobody creating jobs for U.S. citizens!!
You seem to be suffering, terribly, from poor reading comprehension, cuz I have said, time-and-time-again, "illegals"----and, STILL you wanna say, stuff like "legal or not"----so, I leave this conversation with you, here.
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26 Mar 2017, 6:09 pm
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EzraS wrote:
However like I asked before, how would you feel if I started making negative threads about New Zealand?
If it is valid we should listen to it. Nothing good ever happens from people refraining from being critical of another country, all it does is prevents the other side from seeing what their doing wrong.
Again, with the SUBJECTIVITY ("valid" and "wrong")! !
As for "Nothing good ever happens....": How 'bout if people get-along better when a non-citizen of WHATEVER country, doesn't criticize (your word) a country (its people) that's not their own?
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26 Mar 2017, 6:38 pm
Campin_Cat wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Also what the hell is this arrogance to think that foreigners shouldn't speak about America.
You don't want to be judged. Don't screw up and carry the world down with it. Know when to support and not support someone I can't stress this enough. Your actions impact us and all and I am not sure if you know it.
You don't want to be judged. Don't screw up and carry the world down with it. Know when to support and not support someone I can't stress this enough. Your actions impact us and all and I am not sure if you know it.
Oh, and it's NOT arrogance for a "foreigner" (YOUR word) to think they can just say anything they want, about the U.S. / her citizens, on a U.S. site, without an American defending themselves / their country?
Here's the way *I* look at----and, maybe you've seen me post about this, before..... Posting on a forum site is like walking into a room full of people, in person----now, would you go right up to someone (a U.S. citizen-someone), in person, and get right in their face, and say something like "I think Americans should be criticized a bit MORE!"? I don't think you would. It's really easy to sit in front of a computer screen, a WORLD away (so-to-speak), and have all KINDS of bravery----but, for future reference, if you ever come up here (depending-on where you go, here), I would seriously suggest that you DON'T do that, cuz you just might go home in a pine box.
Also, if you're like most ASDers on here, you've been picked-on alot, in your life----and, how'd that make you feel? Did it give you Happy Feet----did you say "Please, sir, may I have some more"----did it make you dance-around your bedroom, singing "My Favorite Things"? If you had to REALLY fight, to keep from allowing it to make you feel like scum-of-the-earth, then, please remember that when you criticize others.
Again, terms like "screw-up" and phrases like "Know when to support and not support someone", are SUBJECTIVE----and, you can stress it everyday, and twice on Sunday, it doesn't MATTER what you think (in this regard), because you're not a U.S. citizen!!
Yes, I have a pretty good idea of our standing, in the world----but, since you don't seem to think you're too big for your britches (and, because you're preachin' to the choir), how 'bout you write President Trump with all this emotion you're feeling, and tell HIM, instead of us underlings, here, on WP!!
I think we both want America to stand up for good but sometimes the rest of the world has got to tell them at times to change their policies. 800,000 people died in Rwanda, we can't let America become that complacent again.
26 Mar 2017, 8:08 pm
Campin_Cat wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
...why is it anybody's business, but our OWN?
Its freedom of speech. People also need to understand both their and abroad that Trump's actions are wrong.Sure, it's Freedom of Speech----and, I'll be the FIRST one to defend it----but, even that Act (FoS) has its limitations (like, you can't shout "Fire" [unless there IS one] in a crowded movie theatre); and, I feel there should be a limitation, HERE, on WP, regarding the "criticism" (YOUR word, remember) of Americans (you just said "if anything maybe they should be criticized a bit more"); because there IS, afterall, a rule on WP, that says: "Unacceptable content includes... behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members..."; and, in essence, IMO, because there are Americans, on this site, that statement you made about criticizing us "a bit more" is your intending to belittle us.
There's a way to be tactful, about it----like, instead of saying: "they supported a candidate in spite of some real flaws", (that's a VERY matter-of-fact statement) how 'bout saying, something like: "He seems to have so many flaws, and I was just wondering why some of you guys would support someone, like that?" (much more "gentle", IMO). Don't get me wrong, I'm not a very "gentle" speaker, MYSELF, in PRIVATE----but, IMO, in PUBLIC, it is better to conform to that social convention. I see ASDers, all-the-time, on here, who like to whine because they didn't get along with someone / someone "attacked" them, or something, yet they're unwilling to conform; so, IMO, they have no one to blame, but themselves.
Also, "flaws" is subjective. There's been many-a-time, on here, that someone has said "I don't like him, because...", and the next person says: "I don't have a problem with him, doing that----what *I* have a problem with, is..."; and, because you're not a U.S. citizen, it's seems likely that the chances of you having even MORE of a difference of opinion, would be higher. Again, how is it that you seem to be saying, a few pages back, that it seemed people were being too harsh, on Americans----and, that if they lived in the Rust Belt, they might have voted for Mr. Trump, TOO----and, NOW you're saying that maybe we should be criticized "a bit more"?
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26 Mar 2017, 9:35 pm
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Sorry if what I did sounded patronizing. I just get a little bit frustrated when people are so willing to overlook a candidate's flaws and vote them in. In America you have access to so much information, why do people still support candidates like Bush it just seems strange. In New Zealand I don't think we are much better, Robert Muldoon was a terrible Prime Minister who conducted brutal dawn raids against Pacific families. I think the New Zealand people are a little bit responsible for that since they voted him in regardless of their flaws.
I think we both want America to stand up for good but sometimes the rest of the world has got to tell them at times to change their policies. 800,000 people died in Rwanda, we can't let America become that complacent again.
I think we both want America to stand up for good but sometimes the rest of the world has got to tell them at times to change their policies. 800,000 people died in Rwanda, we can't let America become that complacent again.
I totally understand your frustration----I cringe, sometimes, when I hear about yet another of President Trump's tweets, and wish he would think to use his mouth's filter, more often----but, for Heaven's sake, he's only been president for a minute; we couldn't possibly know the TOTAL outcome, of almost ANYTHING, at this point.
Anyone who has Internet access has "access to so much information"----and, IMO, with politicians, ESPECIALLY, one has to be able to look-over a few flaws; and, one just has to decide which flaws of a person, they can live-with (with me, that Billy Bush / bus interview, and his supposedly walking into the Miss USA contestants' dressing room, did it for me; and, I could not, in good conscience, vote for him----but, in actuality, it's quite possible that those who argued that his actions, there, didn't make him incapable of getting us jobs, and other things, were correct; but, IMO, if I don't have integrity, what've I got).
I don't know of which President Bush, you're speaking----but, if you're talking about who I call Papa Smurf (H.W.), I agree, and I didn't vote for him. If, however, you're speaking of Jr. (W), I LOVED him, and voted for him----one of the main reasons was because I saw him as someone who shoots from the hip, and I really like someone like that (and, that's, IMO, a HUGE reason why Mr. Trump got elected----alot of people in the U.S., have had it absolutely up-to-their-eyeballs with what they consider "PC crap", and they made their voice heard, with their vote).
See, even things happen in your country / with your people, for which you can't get behind----but, something tells me, you're not going to leave your country / people, in even a figurative way.
Yes, I certainly want the peoples of the U.S. to fight for what's good----but, again, we may not have the same opinion, as you.
As for "sometimes the rest of the world has got to tell them at times to change their policies": Again, you're preachin' to the choir (we, U.S. citizens, AGREE that some things need to be changed)----and, wasting alot of energy telling us, here on WP, what to do, when we have so little to do with what policies, get made / changed.
As for the complacency remark: I'm thinking that the fact that "we" voted for someone who is, seemingly, VERY different from our last president (don't forget that Mr. Trump was a registered DEMOCRAT, for, IIRC, his entire voting life), indicates that we are NOT being complacent.
Oh, and..... Apology, accepted----THANKYOU!! (wink)
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26 Mar 2017, 10:04 pm
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Is a country responsible for who they elect?
Sure, I feel that the people who voted for Mr. Trump should take, at least, SOME of the responsibility----but, no.1, haven't you ever put absolutely everything you had into making a decision, only for it to turn-out to be a bad decision; and, no.2, again, he's only been president for a minute. Come-back in four years, and talk 'til you're blue-in-the-face, if you want to, about how we should NOT vote for President Trump, and then we'll vote for whomever WE want!! LOL (wink)
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27 Mar 2017, 12:04 am
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None of that is damage though. Or anything really resembling damage.
What do you mean when you are using the term damage?.
You're the one who used it, you tell me what you mean when you're using the word damage.
Will you stop trolling. If you want to waste time with silliness go to 4Chan.
