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24 May 2017, 12:02 am

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Bush and later Obama politicized the intelligence services, they aren't worth anything anymore at this point by how corrupted they've made it. It's a faction allowed to exist in the government that needs to be purged. They can't be trusted, they lie, they play politics.

And let me guess you want Trump to fill the agencies with all his people? And that wouldn't be political? Or would you rather we have no intelligence agencies and be blind to external threats?

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24 May 2017, 12:25 am

EzraS wrote:

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There were also a couple of stories with Putin saying that he had a recording of the conversation and there were no security leaks...Despite Trump being a bit of a hillbilly, he was probably spot on with "fake news"

We're supposed to take Putin at his word?

No we're supposed to automatically conclude he's lying.

Well, considering his past history with his neighbors, and now with Germany, France, and the Netherlands, and of course us...

Exactly. He's the quintessential evil bad guy. Well, right after Trump that is.

No, Trump is a narcissistic buffoon being played like a fiddle by Putin. Putin is the living embodiment of a Bond villain.

So all the bad stuff they say Trump has done is only a result of Blofeld fiddle playing him? I mean what's with the comparisons of Trump to Hitler and Stalin and Mussolini and Nero then? Who was fiddling them? I mean I've heard that Nero fiddled, but I never heard he was being fiddled.

I never said Trump was an innocent. He's an appetite driven narcissist who Putin realized he could easily manipulate.

Isn't easily manipulated narcissist an oxymoron? I mean one of the primary traits of a narcissist is how extremely manipulative they are.

So exactly how has been Putin manipulating Trump? I'm guessing he didn't manipulate Trump into bombing Syria. So where's the evidence of Putin manipulating Trump?

Trump's inflated ego makes him easy prey for those like Putin who knows how to use that ego stroking to his advantage.

That's just a blanket statement, like something made up and passed off as fact.

What evidence is there of Putin manipulating Trump?

What has Trump done so far that's evidence of Putin manipulating him?

His campaign promises of getting closer to Russia, denying that Russia even invaded Ukraine, winking at Russia's ambitions of gobbling up their neighbors, calling for ending our relationship with NATO, defending Putin's rep as a killer, not to mention his support for populist strongmen-in-waiting in Europe - all of whom were supported by Putin - just to name a few things. Luckily, those things haven't worked out so far. Then there was the recent incident in the White House where American media was banned, but Putin's state controlled media were invited, where Trump shared classified intelligence with them.

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24 May 2017, 12:30 am

You know who's primarily pushing this Seth Rich conspiracy idiocy? Newt Gingrich, that paragon of reliability (sarcasm)!

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24 May 2017, 11:22 am

Interesting article comparing conspiracy theorists on the left and right.

https://newrepublic.com/article/142828/ ... servatives

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Figures like Mensch are pests, but they will almost certainly not gain the same audience on the left that Alex Jones and Hannity command on the right. The key members of the Russiasphere have Twitter followings in the hundreds of thousands, at most. Hannity hosts a primetime show on what was, until recently, the most watched cable news network in the country; he has millions of viewers. The real lesson to learn from Mensch and company is not that the left is suddenly falling for conspiracy theories with the same fervor as the right has for decades. It’s that these theories can be largely smothered if you have a vibrant and diverse political party that is open to debate and beholden to a fact-based press. The tragedy of modern American politics is that only one of the two major parties fits that bill.

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24 May 2017, 4:32 pm

I read up on DJT revealing info about our subs to Duterte, and a pattern of bragging seems apparent. DJT's support for Duterte's ongoing massacre should bother anyone. That aside, the Philippines aren't part of any operation involving the DPRK, and anyway, as three defense officials told Buzzfeed, "We never talk about subs!" The rolling dumpster fire rolls on.

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24 May 2017, 4:57 pm

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Of course; Trump sees Dutere as a fellow strongman.

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24 May 2017, 5:55 pm

Maybe he's vetting Duterte for membership in the Legion of Doom?

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24 May 2017, 7:11 pm

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Maybe he's vetting Duterte for membership in the Legion of Doom?

No way, Putin is the Overlord. Al things are done by him and through him.

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25 May 2017, 12:01 pm

EzraS wrote:

Aristophanes wrote:

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Putin the boogeyman, you don't know anything about the guy except the last CNN fake news report

I know everyone of his rivals is disfigured, dead, or has fled Russia. That's all I need to know about his character and thus him.

Really? What are their names? What's the evidence bearing case history on them?

I'm not url linking all these, you can copy and paste if you want to read the evidence.

ALEKSEI NAVALNY, current leader of the main opposition, in jail:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/784 ... dev-Russia
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... /99679422/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/worl ... .html?_r=0

VLADIMIR KARA-MURZA former leader of opposition, poisoned twice, survived:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/worl ... oison.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 37421.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39021225
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russi ... as-n719061

BORIS NEMTSOV initial supporter of Putin turned critic of Putin, deceased:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ce-killing
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39094596
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/26/europe/ru ... niversary/

ALAXANDER LITVINENKO spy that accused Putin of pedophilia, deceased:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19647226
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... used-puti/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/22/worl ... itain.html

SERGEI MAGNITSKY lawyer who exposed state corruption, deceased:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... sing-putin
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... der-114878
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-20626960

YURI SHCHEKOCHIKHIN journalist that exposed state corruption, deceased:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/f ... 324241.stm

SERGEI YUSHENKOV politician from opposition party and critic, deceased:

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/apr/18 ... sination18
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... f26986e4cf

NATALIA ESTEMIROVA, human rights activist, critic, deceased:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/ ... estemirova
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... t-murdered

ANNA POLITKOVSKAYA journalist, critic, deceased:

https://www.thenation.com/article/this- ... as-murder/
https://www.theguardian.com/media/anna-politkovskaya
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 68c29a6ed2

BORIS BEREZOVSKY Russian oligarch, critic deceased:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... putin-feud
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 17927.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/world ... at-67.html

STANISLAV MARKELOV, human rights lawyer, and ANASTASIA BABUROVA, journalist, critic deceased:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/world ... chnya.html

DENIS VORONENKOV, politician, critic, deceased:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/worl ... raine.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/europe/uk ... ov-killed/

PAUL KLEBNIKOV, AMERICAN journalist working in Russia, and critic, deceased:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/10/world ... ussia.html

And on a side note, one of the most respected Russians alive, Gary Kasparov, grand master chess champion who fled Russia after a receiving a tip of a hit on him, this peice is written by him, and illustrates exactly the type of leader Putin is:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... 73dfb1392e

*edit: sweet it auto url-ed it. Well that's a mighty long research list for you to get familiar with topic, enjoy!

Thanks!

I wonder what you think of the Overlord, now that you've had plenty of opportunity to learn something about him.

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29 May 2017, 8:24 pm

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.bc20d0d55aba

I can't believe some people fall for obvious nonsense like this and so eagerly gobble it up. It's kinda scary. They shouldn't be allowed to vote lol.

Why do you say it's nonsense?

Are you serious?

It's all rumour, innuendo, gossip - the kind of thing that too many people take seriously, unfortunately. No names are given, and even the accusation itself is horribly vague. It's just more muckraking. Rubbish like this shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone with even half a brain.

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29 May 2017, 8:36 pm

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I don't support ISIS, but I DO support our REAL ALLIES which the president has betrayed.

And, I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT support aiding the Russian thugocracy run by murdering Vladimir Putin, who has done NOTHING to fight ISIS, but has enabled the Syrian regime to commit war crimes against its own people.

...not to mention the fact that Russia is a menace to its neighbors (see Ukraine) and a direct threat TO OUR NATO allies.

The better question is why do you support an incompetent Russian stooge, and want to appease an international criminal like Vladimir Putin at the expense of US national security?

Answer that, comrade.

You forgot to ask, "Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?" What is this, the 1950's?

Questions for "Goonsquad".
1. You claim to support "our real allies". Who would they be? Saudi Arabia? Israel? With friends like them we don't need enemies.
2. How did he "betray" them? Be specific.
3. You make the erroneous claim that Russia has "done nothing" to fight ISIS. Well, they've actually done far more than the U.S., but it isn't being reported on in the mainstream media of the West. Gee, I wonder why? I suggest you visit the RT website more often, and not rely so much upon those outstanding bastions of free and unbiased information - CNN, The Washington Post, Time, Newsweek, Bill Maher, and the CIA.
4. How is Russia a "menace" to either the Ukraine or NATO? If anything, NATO is a menace to Russia, and always has been.

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29 May 2017, 8:46 pm

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So basically this is still just more paranoid hysteria over Russia.

Why all this love for Russia? Putin has never, ever had America's best interests at heart.

Well, why should he?!?! He's the RUSSIAN President, not the U.S. one! Of COURSE he will put his nation's interests first! When was the last time a U.S. president put Russia's interests first? Geez, some of the comments here are just unbelievable.

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29 May 2017, 8:51 pm

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EzraS wrote:

Aristophanes wrote:

EzraS wrote:

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Jacoby wrote:

Putin the boogeyman, you don't know anything about the guy except the last CNN fake news report

I know everyone of his rivals is disfigured, dead, or has fled Russia. That's all I need to know about his character and thus him.

Really? What are their names? What's the evidence bearing case history on them?

Thanks!

I wonder what you think of the Overlord, now that you've had plenty of opportunity to learn something about him.

I'm seeing a lot of propaganda sources here - The Washington Post, CNN, Time, The New York Times, The Guardian, the BBC, the ironically named Independent, The Daily Beast. These sources are not exactly known for their truthfulness. Do you have anything else?

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29 May 2017, 8:56 pm

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We're supposed to take Putin at his word?

No we're supposed to automatically conclude he's lying.

Well, considering his past history with his neighbors, and now with Germany, France, and the Netherlands, and of course us...

What "past history"? What are you talking about?

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29 May 2017, 9:08 pm

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For one thing, Putin is out to get us. He believes his nation's greatest tragedy was the fall of the Soviet Union, which he now wants to restore under greater Russia. This he wants to accomplish through steamrolling his neighbors, and taking down enemies he blames for Russia's demise - namely us and our European allies.
And another thing, it was you guys on the right who were for the most part fanatical Russophobes back in the '50s, right down to the Anti-Red persecution that had ruined the lives of millions of Americans. The American left's opposition to Putin isn't a revival of Cold War fears, but fear of a potential coming age of Strongmen, directed from the Kremlin.

Oh for f***'s sake, why, if he is as you believe, a crooked kleptocratic gangster who has plundered his country, murdered his opponents, is (according to some) the RICHEST man on Earth, and has absolute control of his country, willing to risk all of that for a restoration of the USSR? Do you even remember how things were in the USSR? Apart from perhaps under the rule of Stalin, it was the C.P.S.U. that wielded ultimate control, and was the ultimate authority, not any one man. How about some consistency in your narrative, if you don't mind. You're starting to sound like CNN.

By the way, yes, the fall of the USSR actually WAS a catastrophe, for many reasons. That's not news (well, maybe for you it is).

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29 May 2017, 10:19 pm

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Putin doesn't literally want to bring back the communism of the Soviet Union, or their governmental system, but rather wants to see the power of Russia restored.
As for your other posts:
Wanting what's best for his country is one thing, but wanting to bring us down because of how he blames us for bringing down Russian is quite another.
In regard to his past history - that's in reference to his interfering with the elections of other countries, of his military interventions, and his trail of assassinations.
But seriously, why are you guys on the right, who have a long history of attacking the left for their alleged lack of loyalty to America, suddenly so in love with Putin and Russia that you'll side with them over your own country?

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