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23 Oct 2018, 2:24 am

From usatoday but wp ate the link while I was copying the quote

“Will Democrats support Warren, or their base?

The decision about what to do with Warren strikes the center of Democrats’ identity crisis. Will they cater to white swing voters or build a coalition that meaningfully includes people of color, the party’s most reliable — though rarely prioritized — voter base? Democrats cannot build a truly diverse base if every time a marginalized group within the party brings up legitimate concerns about racism, we are told to be quiet.

In the past, I have said that if Warren renounced her claims of Cherokee ancestry, I would publicly support her. After Monday, I can’t.

At this point, the debate about Warren has done enough harm to Native Americans that it simply needs to stop. I am a registered Democrat who has voted blue in every election since I first cast a ballot for John Kerry when I was 18 years old, but I cannot support a candidacy that will come at the expense of my people. Democrats who support Native rights need to get behind a different candidate.”



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23 Oct 2018, 2:28 am

She obviously placed a great deal of emphasis on it. Far more than it deserved.

I have an aunt who's gaga over being Irish. Even though she's not from or has ever been there.

It's wanting to be something you're really not. Wanting to be a part of a culture that you're not a part of.

In other words pretending, fantasizing. A wannabe. A poser.



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23 Oct 2018, 3:40 am

sly279 wrote:
From usatoday but wp ate the link while I was copying the quote

“Will Democrats support Warren, or their base?

The decision about what to do with Warren strikes the center of Democrats’ identity crisis. Will they cater to white swing voters or build a coalition that meaningfully includes people of color, the party’s most reliable — though rarely prioritized — voter base? Democrats cannot build a truly diverse base if every time a marginalized group within the party brings up legitimate concerns about racism, we are told to be quiet.

In the past, I have said that if Warren renounced her claims of Cherokee ancestry, I would publicly support her. After Monday, I can’t.

At this point, the debate about Warren has done enough harm to Native Americans that it simply needs to stop. I am a registered Democrat who has voted blue in every election since I first cast a ballot for John Kerry when I was 18 years old, but I cannot support a candidacy that will come at the expense of my people. Democrats who support Native rights need to get behind a different candidate.”


In all honesty, I don't see her running. Cory Booker, now, that's a guy who might very well be able to reignite the Obama coalition.


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23 Oct 2018, 2:14 pm

kokopelli wrote:
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Racism racism racism racism you say? The insane woman should be removed from any position of power. She's a proven liar. Using race to try and advance her career when she isn't even part of that race is completely insane.


Do you know anything about Warren's fight against Wall Street on behalf of ordinary Americans? This one thing about her - whether she's a Native American or not - is being blown out of proportion by the Oligarchs who want to crush ordinary people under foot of unregulated capitalism.


I would agree with you if she was genuinely doing that. She's an opportunist. And now the Republicans have a free shot at her for her lying. We all need to stop relying on politicians. They are all corporate puppets.


What did she lie about?


She claimed to be Native American and a "woman of colour".


She did claim to be of Native American descent as part of her heritage. The DNA test certainly backs that claim up (something like 99% probability of being correct).

Precisely where did she claim to be a "woman of colour"?


Harvard once claimed that she was the "first woman of colour" to serve on their faculty.


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23 Oct 2018, 2:29 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
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Racism racism racism racism you say? The insane woman should be removed from any position of power. She's a proven liar. Using race to try and advance her career when she isn't even part of that race is completely insane.


Do you know anything about Warren's fight against Wall Street on behalf of ordinary Americans? This one thing about her - whether she's a Native American or not - is being blown out of proportion by the Oligarchs who want to crush ordinary people under foot of unregulated capitalism.


I would agree with you if she was genuinely doing that. She's an opportunist. And now the Republicans have a free shot at her for her lying. We all need to stop relying on politicians. They are all corporate puppets.


What did she lie about?


She claimed to be Native American and a "woman of colour".


She did claim to be of Native American descent as part of her heritage. The DNA test certainly backs that claim up (something like 99% probability of being correct).

Precisely where did she claim to be a "woman of colour"?


Harvard once claimed that she was the "first woman of colour" to serve on their faculty.


Then that's Harvard's error, not hers.



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23 Oct 2018, 2:58 pm

She made out she was Native American to get the job and they boasted about hiring a "woman of colour". She didn't correct them. Now it turns out that Trump is probably more Native American than her.


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23 Oct 2018, 3:29 pm

kokopelli wrote:
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She claimed to be a Native American which she isn’t.

Cites?

The only claims I've seen were that she had ancestors who were Native American and she had some Native American heritage which she did. She never claimed to be a member of a tribe.


Mrs Warren has been under scrutiny since she first claimed Native American heritage, arguing that because her great-great-great-grandmother was Cherokee, she is a member of the community.

Massachusetts Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren is yet again in hot water after new allegations have surfaced that she plagiarized her 'Cherokee' recipes in the book Pow Wow Chow from the New York Times and other publications.

Source: Elizabeth Warren's Pow Wow Chow 'Cherokee' recipes were word for word COPIES of famous FRENCH chef's techniques

The day after a CNN public opinion poll ranked Elizabeth Warren fourth among possible Democratic 2020 hopefuls, the Massachusetts senator released the results of a DNA test along with a campaign-style ad defending her family’s story of Cherokee heritage.

As Cherokee genealogists have researched, and I have repeatedly written about, Warren descends from a long line of well-documented white people. While Warren no longer identifies herself as Native American, she still publicly claims her family is “part” Cherokee. There is nothing innocent about a white woman claiming her ancestors experienced genocide and ethnic cleansing — an inescapable fact for Cherokee families — when they did not. Why is this so hard to understand?

Source: Elizabeth Warren's 'part' Cherokee claim is a joke, and a racist insult to Natives like me


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23 Oct 2018, 6:13 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
From usatoday but wp ate the link while I was copying the quote

“Will Democrats support Warren, or their base?

The decision about what to do with Warren strikes the center of Democrats’ identity crisis. Will they cater to white swing voters or build a coalition that meaningfully includes people of color, the party’s most reliable — though rarely prioritized — voter base? Democrats cannot build a truly diverse base if every time a marginalized group within the party brings up legitimate concerns about racism, we are told to be quiet.

In the past, I have said that if Warren renounced her claims of Cherokee ancestry, I would publicly support her. After Monday, I can’t.

At this point, the debate about Warren has done enough harm to Native Americans that it simply needs to stop. I am a registered Democrat who has voted blue in every election since I first cast a ballot for John Kerry when I was 18 years old, but I cannot support a candidacy that will come at the expense of my people. Democrats who support Native rights need to get behind a different candidate.”


In all honesty, I don't see her running. Cory Booker, now, that's a guy who might very well be able to reignite the Obama coalition.


That person doesn’t want her to hold any office, you don’t think warren will run for re-election?



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23 Oct 2018, 6:17 pm

sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
From usatoday but wp ate the link while I was copying the quote

“Will Democrats support Warren, or their base?

The decision about what to do with Warren strikes the center of Democrats’ identity crisis. Will they cater to white swing voters or build a coalition that meaningfully includes people of color, the party’s most reliable — though rarely prioritized — voter base? Democrats cannot build a truly diverse base if every time a marginalized group within the party brings up legitimate concerns about racism, we are told to be quiet.

In the past, I have said that if Warren renounced her claims of Cherokee ancestry, I would publicly support her. After Monday, I can’t.

At this point, the debate about Warren has done enough harm to Native Americans that it simply needs to stop. I am a registered Democrat who has voted blue in every election since I first cast a ballot for John Kerry when I was 18 years old, but I cannot support a candidacy that will come at the expense of my people. Democrats who support Native rights need to get behind a different candidate.”


In all honesty, I don't see her running. Cory Booker, now, that's a guy who might very well be able to reignite the Obama coalition.


That person doesn’t want her to hold any office, you don’t think warren will run for re-election?


The senate, yes, the Presidency, no.


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23 Oct 2018, 7:00 pm

jimmy m wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
sly279 wrote:

She claimed to be a Native American which she isn’t.

Cites?

The only claims I've seen were that she had ancestors who were Native American and she had some Native American heritage which she did. She never claimed to be a member of a tribe.


Mrs Warren has been under scrutiny since she first claimed Native American heritage, arguing that because her great-great-great-grandmother was Cherokee, she is a member of the community.

Massachusetts Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren is yet again in hot water after new allegations have surfaced that she plagiarized her 'Cherokee' recipes in the book Pow Wow Chow from the New York Times and other publications.

Source: Elizabeth Warren's Pow Wow Chow 'Cherokee' recipes were word for word COPIES of famous FRENCH chef's techniques

The day after a CNN public opinion poll ranked Elizabeth Warren fourth among possible Democratic 2020 hopefuls, the Massachusetts senator released the results of a DNA test along with a campaign-style ad defending her family’s story of Cherokee heritage.

As Cherokee genealogists have researched, and I have repeatedly written about, Warren descends from a long line of well-documented white people. While Warren no longer identifies herself as Native American, she still publicly claims her family is “part” Cherokee. There is nothing innocent about a white woman claiming her ancestors experienced genocide and ethnic cleansing — an inescapable fact for Cherokee families — when they did not. Why is this so hard to understand?

Source: Elizabeth Warren's 'part' Cherokee claim is a joke, and a racist insult to Natives like me


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23 Oct 2018, 9:05 pm

No fry bread recipes?Now I’m suspicious.


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24 Oct 2018, 8:17 am

In a surprising counter move, Donald Trump just announced that he will be have a DNA test performed to confirm his Oompa Loompa heritage.



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24 Oct 2018, 5:30 pm

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In a surprising counter move, Donald Trump just announced that he will be have a DNA test performed to confirm his Oompa Loompa heritage.

You're going a little overboard, now, to prove you're not a supporter of President Trump's. You know it won't do any good----you've seen the proof. You know you've been pigeon-holed, and they won't change their opinion of you, cuz then that would be one less person to attack. Please don't stoop to their level, by bashing the president----you've always been much more mature, than them.




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24 Oct 2018, 5:56 pm

But he does look like an Oompa Loompa.


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24 Oct 2018, 8:32 pm

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But he does look like an Oompa Loompa.


Only the most fervent Trumpanzee can't deny that.


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24 Oct 2018, 10:47 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:
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In a surprising counter move, Donald Trump just announced that he will be have a DNA test performed to confirm his Oompa Loompa heritage.

You're going a little overboard, now, to prove you're not a supporter of President Trump's. You know it won't do any good----you've seen the proof. You know you've been pigeon-holed, and they won't change their opinion of you, cuz then that would be one less person to attack. Please don't stoop to their level, by bashing the president----you've always been much more mature, than them.


I was just telling a joke. There's nothing more to read into it than that. I'm producing satire even if I'm the only one who laughs at it. And If I feel like I've come up with a good one about someone, I'm going to deliver it no matter who they are.

W.C. Fields is credited as saying, "I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally". That's true of me as well, except in my case replace the word hate with indifferent.