Trump wants to deport people here for medical reasons.
Antrax wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
There are those who can not help it and there are those who put themselves where they are. And I think the number of the latter is greater than some want to admit to or believe.
The conservative viewpoint has always been, blame the poor for being poor, and the homeless for being homeless.
And I suppose the liberal viewpoint is to blame the conservatives for it.
This back and forth is basically a perfect cliche of a conservative liberal debate.
Agreed.
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LoveNotHate wrote:
sly279 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
There are those who can not help it and there are those who put themselves where they are. And I think the number of the latter is greater than some want to admit to or believe.
The conservative viewpoint has always been, blame the poor for being poor, and the homeless for being homeless.
And I suppose the liberal viewpoint is to blame the conservatives for it.
No, as I said, I blame conservatives for putting the blame of poverty on the poor, and homelessness on the homeless. Not doing anything for those in need is just as bad as doing something harmful to them.
Poor and homeless likely have a long history of bad decisions.
#1 problem seems to be that poor people make bad financial decisions.
Democrats even recognize this, as they try to regulate payday lenders, regulate lending rates, regulate debit card fees, regulate (took over) student loans.
Excuse me?
My bad decision was being born defective into a system that’s hates defective people.
I make better financial decisions then a lot of middle class conservatives make. Sorry if you can’t afford 3 50,000 dollar cars and a 400,000 house you shouldn’t got them.
I can’t afford a car so I don’t have one, I don’t then b***h about taxes and how I can’t afford one. Middle class make 4 times what I do so they can’t b***h about being poor cause they bought stuff they can’t afford and it takes all their money to pay the payments.but that’s all I ever hear from middle class conservatives is poor them.
“I’m struggling they say” as they can their $5000 monthly paycheck. While I get $780 a month. Struggling they don’t know what struggling is. They sit in their nice houses with their bmw, truck, boat etc, fancy furniture, expensive appliances and say they struggling, maybe if they didn’t try to live like their rich they wouldn’t be struggling. I’d love off half their check and put rest in savings.
Yet they blame me for their troubles, call me a no good thief who stole their money. With that $780 they could buy another car they can’t afford. If only I’d die so they could right?
Maybe if rich paid them more they could too but no don’t blame the rich they emulate.
And I can only save so much. I’m not allowed to be financially good, want to guess which party came up with that rule? Want to guess which party doesn’t allow defective people like me to serve in the military or government? The same party who then blames me for being poor as they set it up to make and keep me poor then call me w thief.
I didn’t ask to be born. I wish I wasn’t. I’m going be poor and unloved my whole life, I live in hell on daily basis and wish I die in my sleep. Sorry thwt wasn’t my decision.
Conservatives believe in the potential of the individual.
What you see as "blame" is really a tough love effort to cultivate your potential.
Conservative: Don't be a mooch!
Meaning: Get out there and show us how successful you can be!
Conservatives think Welfare/Socialism destroys human potential.
What about contempt and out-and-out loathing the rich feel for the poor? And yes, the rich do feel that towards those with less.
What if a poor person can't live up to that "tough love?" Are they just supposed to die?
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EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
conservatives
I have come to realize this seems to be the crux of most any discussion debate or argument with you.
When it comes to booting sick people out of America, then yes, I find most conservatives are guilty of taking the wrong side.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
conservatives
I have come to realize this seems to be the crux of most any discussion debate or argument with you.
When it comes to booting sick people out of America, then yes, I find most conservatives are guilty of taking the wrong side.
You often come up with a good response that also manages to deflect away from what was actually said.
Persephone29 wrote:
beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
It seems when it comes to disability, based on posts I have read on WP and elsewhere over the years, there are a couple of things I have picked up on. One is that there are people seek out and come up with ways to get classified as disabled. I have seen some basically asking for advice on how to pull it off.
Another is bouncing back and forth between supporting themselves and living on disability. If things are going just right they will stick to working for a living. However the minute conditions start becoming undesirable, it is time to go back on disability.
Another is bouncing back and forth between supporting themselves and living on disability. If things are going just right they will stick to working for a living. However the minute conditions start becoming undesirable, it is time to go back on disability.
Do you think all those people need to be booted off of disability? About what percentage of people on disability do you think they comprise? Personally, I think the first paragraph you mentioned is more probably a cry for help than fraud. The second paragraph you mention is people attempting to return to work and some of them failing. And yet, and correct me if I'm wrong, the subtext here seems to be that you consider all these people fraudsters.
I say this, because you and Persephone spend an awful lot of time talking about these people, and you like to emphasize just how extraordinary and bad your disabilities are, implying that the people you're talking about aren't really disabled: they just need to be made to sink or swim.
I don't even think I have a disability. I've applied for Voc Rehab only because I can't afford a 5k class they are making me take for having a meltdown on my case worker before I even knew I had ASD. If I don't take the class, they'll say I'm non-compliant and take my nursing license. Which is discrimination, but whatever. I ain't backin' down.
There is nothing wrong with me! I'm smart and I can work circles around most people my age.
Didn't you say something about your body not doing what your mind wants it to do? That sounds like an impairment, and it may be disabling.
I mean, that sounds pretty serious.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
sly279 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
There are those who can not help it and there are those who put themselves where they are. And I think the number of the latter is greater than some want to admit to or believe.
The conservative viewpoint has always been, blame the poor for being poor, and the homeless for being homeless.
And I suppose the liberal viewpoint is to blame the conservatives for it.
No, as I said, I blame conservatives for putting the blame of poverty on the poor, and homelessness on the homeless. Not doing anything for those in need is just as bad as doing something harmful to them.
Poor and homeless likely have a long history of bad decisions.
#1 problem seems to be that poor people make bad financial decisions.
Democrats even recognize this, as they try to regulate payday lenders, regulate lending rates, regulate debit card fees, regulate (took over) student loans.
Excuse me?
My bad decision was being born defective into a system that’s hates defective people.
I make better financial decisions then a lot of middle class conservatives make. Sorry if you can’t afford 3 50,000 dollar cars and a 400,000 house you shouldn’t got them.
I can’t afford a car so I don’t have one, I don’t then b***h about taxes and how I can’t afford one. Middle class make 4 times what I do so they can’t b***h about being poor cause they bought stuff they can’t afford and it takes all their money to pay the payments.but that’s all I ever hear from middle class conservatives is poor them.
“I’m struggling they say” as they can their $5000 monthly paycheck. While I get $780 a month. Struggling they don’t know what struggling is. They sit in their nice houses with their bmw, truck, boat etc, fancy furniture, expensive appliances and say they struggling, maybe if they didn’t try to live like their rich they wouldn’t be struggling. I’d love off half their check and put rest in savings.
Yet they blame me for their troubles, call me a no good thief who stole their money. With that $780 they could buy another car they can’t afford. If only I’d die so they could right?
Maybe if rich paid them more they could too but no don’t blame the rich they emulate.
And I can only save so much. I’m not allowed to be financially good, want to guess which party came up with that rule? Want to guess which party doesn’t allow defective people like me to serve in the military or government? The same party who then blames me for being poor as they set it up to make and keep me poor then call me w thief.
I didn’t ask to be born. I wish I wasn’t. I’m going be poor and unloved my whole life, I live in hell on daily basis and wish I die in my sleep. Sorry thwt wasn’t my decision.
Conservatives believe in the potential of the individual.
What you see as "blame" is really a tough love effort to cultivate your potential.
Conservative: Don't be a mooch!
Meaning: Get out there and show us how successful you can be!
Conservatives think Welfare/Socialism destroys human potential.
What about contempt and out-and-out loathing the rich feel for the poor? And yes, the rich do feel that towards those with less.
What if a poor person can't live up to that "tough love?" Are they just supposed to die?
What do you define as rich?
And do you ever notice how often you and cyberdad simultaneously call conservatives aristocrats and peasants? Those greedy filthy rich redneck trailer trash crackers.
beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
It seems when it comes to disability, based on posts I have read on WP and elsewhere over the years, there are a couple of things I have picked up on. One is that there are people seek out and come up with ways to get classified as disabled. I have seen some basically asking for advice on how to pull it off.
Another is bouncing back and forth between supporting themselves and living on disability. If things are going just right they will stick to working for a living. However the minute conditions start becoming undesirable, it is time to go back on disability.
Another is bouncing back and forth between supporting themselves and living on disability. If things are going just right they will stick to working for a living. However the minute conditions start becoming undesirable, it is time to go back on disability.
Do you think all those people need to be booted off of disability? About what percentage of people on disability do you think they comprise? Personally, I think the first paragraph you mentioned is more probably a cry for help than fraud. The second paragraph you mention is people attempting to return to work and some of them failing. And yet, and correct me if I'm wrong, the subtext here seems to be that you consider all these people fraudsters.
I say this, because you and Persephone spend an awful lot of time talking about these people, and you like to emphasize just how extraordinary and bad your disabilities are, implying that the people you're talking about aren't really disabled: they just need to be made to sink or swim.
I would not say they should be booted off or that they are committing fraud. More like taking the easy way out. Which is applicable to those taking the easy course of action , rather than someone who really honestly does not have a choice in the matter. I think there are those who weigh the pros and cons of working compared to getting welfare or disability pay or unemployment pay. Like well I would make more money if I work, but it is easier to not work and get a paycheck from the government. While what they are doing is technically legal, it might not be ethical.
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Posts: 49,246
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EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
sly279 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
There are those who can not help it and there are those who put themselves where they are. And I think the number of the latter is greater than some want to admit to or believe.
The conservative viewpoint has always been, blame the poor for being poor, and the homeless for being homeless.
And I suppose the liberal viewpoint is to blame the conservatives for it.
No, as I said, I blame conservatives for putting the blame of poverty on the poor, and homelessness on the homeless. Not doing anything for those in need is just as bad as doing something harmful to them.
Poor and homeless likely have a long history of bad decisions.
#1 problem seems to be that poor people make bad financial decisions.
Democrats even recognize this, as they try to regulate payday lenders, regulate lending rates, regulate debit card fees, regulate (took over) student loans.
Excuse me?
My bad decision was being born defective into a system that’s hates defective people.
I make better financial decisions then a lot of middle class conservatives make. Sorry if you can’t afford 3 50,000 dollar cars and a 400,000 house you shouldn’t got them.
I can’t afford a car so I don’t have one, I don’t then b***h about taxes and how I can’t afford one. Middle class make 4 times what I do so they can’t b***h about being poor cause they bought stuff they can’t afford and it takes all their money to pay the payments.but that’s all I ever hear from middle class conservatives is poor them.
“I’m struggling they say” as they can their $5000 monthly paycheck. While I get $780 a month. Struggling they don’t know what struggling is. They sit in their nice houses with their bmw, truck, boat etc, fancy furniture, expensive appliances and say they struggling, maybe if they didn’t try to live like their rich they wouldn’t be struggling. I’d love off half their check and put rest in savings.
Yet they blame me for their troubles, call me a no good thief who stole their money. With that $780 they could buy another car they can’t afford. If only I’d die so they could right?
Maybe if rich paid them more they could too but no don’t blame the rich they emulate.
And I can only save so much. I’m not allowed to be financially good, want to guess which party came up with that rule? Want to guess which party doesn’t allow defective people like me to serve in the military or government? The same party who then blames me for being poor as they set it up to make and keep me poor then call me w thief.
I didn’t ask to be born. I wish I wasn’t. I’m going be poor and unloved my whole life, I live in hell on daily basis and wish I die in my sleep. Sorry thwt wasn’t my decision.
Conservatives believe in the potential of the individual.
What you see as "blame" is really a tough love effort to cultivate your potential.
Conservative: Don't be a mooch!
Meaning: Get out there and show us how successful you can be!
Conservatives think Welfare/Socialism destroys human potential.
What about contempt and out-and-out loathing the rich feel for the poor? And yes, the rich do feel that towards those with less.
What if a poor person can't live up to that "tough love?" Are they just supposed to die?
What do you define as rich?
And do you ever notice how often you and cyberdad simultaneously call conservatives aristocrats and peasants? Those greedy filthy rich redneck trailer trash crackers.
Politics transcends class. The only difference is, poor conservatives vote against their own interests by being swayed by hot button issues, be it gay marriage, racial integration, immigration by brown people, etc, while it's rich conservatives doing the swaying and literally laughing all the way to the bank.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
sly279 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
There are those who can not help it and there are those who put themselves where they are. And I think the number of the latter is greater than some want to admit to or believe.
The conservative viewpoint has always been, blame the poor for being poor, and the homeless for being homeless.
And I suppose the liberal viewpoint is to blame the conservatives for it.
No, as I said, I blame conservatives for putting the blame of poverty on the poor, and homelessness on the homeless. Not doing anything for those in need is just as bad as doing something harmful to them.
Poor and homeless likely have a long history of bad decisions.
#1 problem seems to be that poor people make bad financial decisions.
Democrats even recognize this, as they try to regulate payday lenders, regulate lending rates, regulate debit card fees, regulate (took over) student loans.
Excuse me?
My bad decision was being born defective into a system that’s hates defective people.
I make better financial decisions then a lot of middle class conservatives make. Sorry if you can’t afford 3 50,000 dollar cars and a 400,000 house you shouldn’t got them.
I can’t afford a car so I don’t have one, I don’t then b***h about taxes and how I can’t afford one. Middle class make 4 times what I do so they can’t b***h about being poor cause they bought stuff they can’t afford and it takes all their money to pay the payments.but that’s all I ever hear from middle class conservatives is poor them.
“I’m struggling they say” as they can their $5000 monthly paycheck. While I get $780 a month. Struggling they don’t know what struggling is. They sit in their nice houses with their bmw, truck, boat etc, fancy furniture, expensive appliances and say they struggling, maybe if they didn’t try to live like their rich they wouldn’t be struggling. I’d love off half their check and put rest in savings.
Yet they blame me for their troubles, call me a no good thief who stole their money. With that $780 they could buy another car they can’t afford. If only I’d die so they could right?
Maybe if rich paid them more they could too but no don’t blame the rich they emulate.
And I can only save so much. I’m not allowed to be financially good, want to guess which party came up with that rule? Want to guess which party doesn’t allow defective people like me to serve in the military or government? The same party who then blames me for being poor as they set it up to make and keep me poor then call me w thief.
I didn’t ask to be born. I wish I wasn’t. I’m going be poor and unloved my whole life, I live in hell on daily basis and wish I die in my sleep. Sorry thwt wasn’t my decision.
Conservatives believe in the potential of the individual.
What you see as "blame" is really a tough love effort to cultivate your potential.
Conservative: Don't be a mooch!
Meaning: Get out there and show us how successful you can be!
Conservatives think Welfare/Socialism destroys human potential.
What about contempt and out-and-out loathing the rich feel for the poor? And yes, the rich do feel that towards those with less.
What if a poor person can't live up to that "tough love?" Are they just supposed to die?
What do you define as rich?
And do you ever notice how often you and cyberdad simultaneously call conservatives aristocrats and peasants? Those greedy filthy rich redneck trailer trash crackers.
Politics transcends class. The only difference is, poor conservatives vote against their own interests by being swayed by hot button issues, be it gay marriage, racial integration, immigration by brown people, etc, while it's rich conservatives doing the swaying and literally laughing all the way to the bank.
And what analogy would you give for rich liberals vs poor ones?
beneficii wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
It seems when it comes to disability, based on posts I have read on WP and elsewhere over the years, there are a couple of things I have picked up on. One is that there are people seek out and come up with ways to get classified as disabled. I have seen some basically asking for advice on how to pull it off.
Another is bouncing back and forth between supporting themselves and living on disability. If things are going just right they will stick to working for a living. However the minute conditions start becoming undesirable, it is time to go back on disability.
Another is bouncing back and forth between supporting themselves and living on disability. If things are going just right they will stick to working for a living. However the minute conditions start becoming undesirable, it is time to go back on disability.
Do you think all those people need to be booted off of disability? About what percentage of people on disability do you think they comprise? Personally, I think the first paragraph you mentioned is more probably a cry for help than fraud. The second paragraph you mention is people attempting to return to work and some of them failing. And yet, and correct me if I'm wrong, the subtext here seems to be that you consider all these people fraudsters.
I say this, because you and Persephone spend an awful lot of time talking about these people, and you like to emphasize just how extraordinary and bad your disabilities are, implying that the people you're talking about aren't really disabled: they just need to be made to sink or swim.
I don't even think I have a disability. I've applied for Voc Rehab only because I can't afford a 5k class they are making me take for having a meltdown on my case worker before I even knew I had ASD. If I don't take the class, they'll say I'm non-compliant and take my nursing license. Which is discrimination, but whatever. I ain't backin' down.
There is nothing wrong with me! I'm smart and I can work circles around most people my age.
Didn't you say something about your body not doing what your mind wants it to do? That sounds like an impairment, and it may be disabling.
I mean, that sounds pretty serious.
You need to re-read what I wrote. I said I will never get why those whose body does what their mind tells it to do would want to be on disability. I'm not on disability. This situation is the only reason I applied for Voc Rehab. I want to work.
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Neurocognitive exam in May 2019, diagnosed with ASD, Asperger's type in June 2019.
Persephone29 wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
It seems when it comes to disability, based on posts I have read on WP and elsewhere over the years, there are a couple of things I have picked up on. One is that there are people seek out and come up with ways to get classified as disabled. I have seen some basically asking for advice on how to pull it off.
Another is bouncing back and forth between supporting themselves and living on disability. If things are going just right they will stick to working for a living. However the minute conditions start becoming undesirable, it is time to go back on disability.
Another is bouncing back and forth between supporting themselves and living on disability. If things are going just right they will stick to working for a living. However the minute conditions start becoming undesirable, it is time to go back on disability.
Do you think all those people need to be booted off of disability? About what percentage of people on disability do you think they comprise? Personally, I think the first paragraph you mentioned is more probably a cry for help than fraud. The second paragraph you mention is people attempting to return to work and some of them failing. And yet, and correct me if I'm wrong, the subtext here seems to be that you consider all these people fraudsters.
I say this, because you and Persephone spend an awful lot of time talking about these people, and you like to emphasize just how extraordinary and bad your disabilities are, implying that the people you're talking about aren't really disabled: they just need to be made to sink or swim.
I don't even think I have a disability. I've applied for Voc Rehab only because I can't afford a 5k class they are making me take for having a meltdown on my case worker before I even knew I had ASD. If I don't take the class, they'll say I'm non-compliant and take my nursing license. Which is discrimination, but whatever. I ain't backin' down.
There is nothing wrong with me! I'm smart and I can work circles around most people my age.
Didn't you say something about your body not doing what your mind wants it to do? That sounds like an impairment, and it may be disabling.
I mean, that sounds pretty serious.
You need to re-read what I wrote. I said I will never get why those whose body does what their mind tells it to do would want to be on disability. I'm not on disability. This situation is the only reason I applied for Voc Rehab. I want to work.
How are you supporting yourself in the meantime?
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Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 49,246
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
sly279 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
There are those who can not help it and there are those who put themselves where they are. And I think the number of the latter is greater than some want to admit to or believe.
The conservative viewpoint has always been, blame the poor for being poor, and the homeless for being homeless.
And I suppose the liberal viewpoint is to blame the conservatives for it.
No, as I said, I blame conservatives for putting the blame of poverty on the poor, and homelessness on the homeless. Not doing anything for those in need is just as bad as doing something harmful to them.
Poor and homeless likely have a long history of bad decisions.
#1 problem seems to be that poor people make bad financial decisions.
Democrats even recognize this, as they try to regulate payday lenders, regulate lending rates, regulate debit card fees, regulate (took over) student loans.
Excuse me?
My bad decision was being born defective into a system that’s hates defective people.
I make better financial decisions then a lot of middle class conservatives make. Sorry if you can’t afford 3 50,000 dollar cars and a 400,000 house you shouldn’t got them.
I can’t afford a car so I don’t have one, I don’t then b***h about taxes and how I can’t afford one. Middle class make 4 times what I do so they can’t b***h about being poor cause they bought stuff they can’t afford and it takes all their money to pay the payments.but that’s all I ever hear from middle class conservatives is poor them.
“I’m struggling they say” as they can their $5000 monthly paycheck. While I get $780 a month. Struggling they don’t know what struggling is. They sit in their nice houses with their bmw, truck, boat etc, fancy furniture, expensive appliances and say they struggling, maybe if they didn’t try to live like their rich they wouldn’t be struggling. I’d love off half their check and put rest in savings.
Yet they blame me for their troubles, call me a no good thief who stole their money. With that $780 they could buy another car they can’t afford. If only I’d die so they could right?
Maybe if rich paid them more they could too but no don’t blame the rich they emulate.
And I can only save so much. I’m not allowed to be financially good, want to guess which party came up with that rule? Want to guess which party doesn’t allow defective people like me to serve in the military or government? The same party who then blames me for being poor as they set it up to make and keep me poor then call me w thief.
I didn’t ask to be born. I wish I wasn’t. I’m going be poor and unloved my whole life, I live in hell on daily basis and wish I die in my sleep. Sorry thwt wasn’t my decision.
Conservatives believe in the potential of the individual.
What you see as "blame" is really a tough love effort to cultivate your potential.
Conservative: Don't be a mooch!
Meaning: Get out there and show us how successful you can be!
Conservatives think Welfare/Socialism destroys human potential.
What about contempt and out-and-out loathing the rich feel for the poor? And yes, the rich do feel that towards those with less.
What if a poor person can't live up to that "tough love?" Are they just supposed to die?
What do you define as rich?
And do you ever notice how often you and cyberdad simultaneously call conservatives aristocrats and peasants? Those greedy filthy rich redneck trailer trash crackers.
Politics transcends class. The only difference is, poor conservatives vote against their own interests by being swayed by hot button issues, be it gay marriage, racial integration, immigration by brown people, etc, while it's rich conservatives doing the swaying and literally laughing all the way to the bank.
And what analogy would you give for rich liberals vs poor ones?
Poor liberals have enough sense to vote for their best interests, and even for doing the right thing. I think I can speak about that with a certain authority as I am a poor liberal.
I suppose rich liberals should be taking their political positions for doing what is right, even though many admittedly do it because they perceive it as politically correct.
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beneficii wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
It seems when it comes to disability, based on posts I have read on WP and elsewhere over the years, there are a couple of things I have picked up on. One is that there are people seek out and come up with ways to get classified as disabled. I have seen some basically asking for advice on how to pull it off.
Another is bouncing back and forth between supporting themselves and living on disability. If things are going just right they will stick to working for a living. However the minute conditions start becoming undesirable, it is time to go back on disability.
Another is bouncing back and forth between supporting themselves and living on disability. If things are going just right they will stick to working for a living. However the minute conditions start becoming undesirable, it is time to go back on disability.
Do you think all those people need to be booted off of disability? About what percentage of people on disability do you think they comprise? Personally, I think the first paragraph you mentioned is more probably a cry for help than fraud. The second paragraph you mention is people attempting to return to work and some of them failing. And yet, and correct me if I'm wrong, the subtext here seems to be that you consider all these people fraudsters.
I say this, because you and Persephone spend an awful lot of time talking about these people, and you like to emphasize just how extraordinary and bad your disabilities are, implying that the people you're talking about aren't really disabled: they just need to be made to sink or swim.
I don't even think I have a disability. I've applied for Voc Rehab only because I can't afford a 5k class they are making me take for having a meltdown on my case worker before I even knew I had ASD. If I don't take the class, they'll say I'm non-compliant and take my nursing license. Which is discrimination, but whatever. I ain't backin' down.
There is nothing wrong with me! I'm smart and I can work circles around most people my age.
Didn't you say something about your body not doing what your mind wants it to do? That sounds like an impairment, and it may be disabling.
I mean, that sounds pretty serious.
You need to re-read what I wrote. I said I will never get why those whose body does what their mind tells it to do would want to be on disability. I'm not on disability. This situation is the only reason I applied for Voc Rehab. I want to work.
How are you supporting yourself in the meantime?
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None of your beeswax, just know it's not welfare. I'm married and we are frugal.
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Neurocognitive exam in May 2019, diagnosed with ASD, Asperger's type in June 2019.
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
sly279 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
There are those who can not help it and there are those who put themselves where they are. And I think the number of the latter is greater than some want to admit to or believe.
The conservative viewpoint has always been, blame the poor for being poor, and the homeless for being homeless.
And I suppose the liberal viewpoint is to blame the conservatives for it.
No, as I said, I blame conservatives for putting the blame of poverty on the poor, and homelessness on the homeless. Not doing anything for those in need is just as bad as doing something harmful to them.
Poor and homeless likely have a long history of bad decisions.
#1 problem seems to be that poor people make bad financial decisions.
Democrats even recognize this, as they try to regulate payday lenders, regulate lending rates, regulate debit card fees, regulate (took over) student loans.
Excuse me?
My bad decision was being born defective into a system that’s hates defective people.
I make better financial decisions then a lot of middle class conservatives make. Sorry if you can’t afford 3 50,000 dollar cars and a 400,000 house you shouldn’t got them.
I can’t afford a car so I don’t have one, I don’t then b***h about taxes and how I can’t afford one. Middle class make 4 times what I do so they can’t b***h about being poor cause they bought stuff they can’t afford and it takes all their money to pay the payments.but that’s all I ever hear from middle class conservatives is poor them.
“I’m struggling they say” as they can their $5000 monthly paycheck. While I get $780 a month. Struggling they don’t know what struggling is. They sit in their nice houses with their bmw, truck, boat etc, fancy furniture, expensive appliances and say they struggling, maybe if they didn’t try to live like their rich they wouldn’t be struggling. I’d love off half their check and put rest in savings.
Yet they blame me for their troubles, call me a no good thief who stole their money. With that $780 they could buy another car they can’t afford. If only I’d die so they could right?
Maybe if rich paid them more they could too but no don’t blame the rich they emulate.
And I can only save so much. I’m not allowed to be financially good, want to guess which party came up with that rule? Want to guess which party doesn’t allow defective people like me to serve in the military or government? The same party who then blames me for being poor as they set it up to make and keep me poor then call me w thief.
I didn’t ask to be born. I wish I wasn’t. I’m going be poor and unloved my whole life, I live in hell on daily basis and wish I die in my sleep. Sorry thwt wasn’t my decision.
Conservatives believe in the potential of the individual.
What you see as "blame" is really a tough love effort to cultivate your potential.
Conservative: Don't be a mooch!
Meaning: Get out there and show us how successful you can be!
Conservatives think Welfare/Socialism destroys human potential.
What about contempt and out-and-out loathing the rich feel for the poor? And yes, the rich do feel that towards those with less.
What if a poor person can't live up to that "tough love?" Are they just supposed to die?
What do you define as rich?
And do you ever notice how often you and cyberdad simultaneously call conservatives aristocrats and peasants? Those greedy filthy rich redneck trailer trash crackers.
Politics transcends class. The only difference is, poor conservatives vote against their own interests by being swayed by hot button issues, be it gay marriage, racial integration, immigration by brown people, etc, while it's rich conservatives doing the swaying and literally laughing all the way to the bank.
And what analogy would you give for rich liberals vs poor ones?
Poor liberals have enough sense to vote for their best interests, and even for doing the right thing. I think I can speak about that with a certain authority as I am a poor liberal.
I suppose rich liberals should be taking their political positions for doing what is right, even though many admittedly do it because they perceive it as politically correct.
Aren't poor liberals likewise swayed by hot button issues? I have heard numerous complaints that poor conservatives care more about jobs and the economy than about russiagate, pee tapes and tweets etc. But you seem to be saying here the primary interest to poor conservatives is being racist.
Kraichgauer
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Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 49,246
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
sly279 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
There are those who can not help it and there are those who put themselves where they are. And I think the number of the latter is greater than some want to admit to or believe.
The conservative viewpoint has always been, blame the poor for being poor, and the homeless for being homeless.
And I suppose the liberal viewpoint is to blame the conservatives for it.
No, as I said, I blame conservatives for putting the blame of poverty on the poor, and homelessness on the homeless. Not doing anything for those in need is just as bad as doing something harmful to them.
Poor and homeless likely have a long history of bad decisions.
#1 problem seems to be that poor people make bad financial decisions.
Democrats even recognize this, as they try to regulate payday lenders, regulate lending rates, regulate debit card fees, regulate (took over) student loans.
Excuse me?
My bad decision was being born defective into a system that’s hates defective people.
I make better financial decisions then a lot of middle class conservatives make. Sorry if you can’t afford 3 50,000 dollar cars and a 400,000 house you shouldn’t got them.
I can’t afford a car so I don’t have one, I don’t then b***h about taxes and how I can’t afford one. Middle class make 4 times what I do so they can’t b***h about being poor cause they bought stuff they can’t afford and it takes all their money to pay the payments.but that’s all I ever hear from middle class conservatives is poor them.
“I’m struggling they say” as they can their $5000 monthly paycheck. While I get $780 a month. Struggling they don’t know what struggling is. They sit in their nice houses with their bmw, truck, boat etc, fancy furniture, expensive appliances and say they struggling, maybe if they didn’t try to live like their rich they wouldn’t be struggling. I’d love off half their check and put rest in savings.
Yet they blame me for their troubles, call me a no good thief who stole their money. With that $780 they could buy another car they can’t afford. If only I’d die so they could right?
Maybe if rich paid them more they could too but no don’t blame the rich they emulate.
And I can only save so much. I’m not allowed to be financially good, want to guess which party came up with that rule? Want to guess which party doesn’t allow defective people like me to serve in the military or government? The same party who then blames me for being poor as they set it up to make and keep me poor then call me w thief.
I didn’t ask to be born. I wish I wasn’t. I’m going be poor and unloved my whole life, I live in hell on daily basis and wish I die in my sleep. Sorry thwt wasn’t my decision.
Conservatives believe in the potential of the individual.
What you see as "blame" is really a tough love effort to cultivate your potential.
Conservative: Don't be a mooch!
Meaning: Get out there and show us how successful you can be!
Conservatives think Welfare/Socialism destroys human potential.
What about contempt and out-and-out loathing the rich feel for the poor? And yes, the rich do feel that towards those with less.
What if a poor person can't live up to that "tough love?" Are they just supposed to die?
What do you define as rich?
And do you ever notice how often you and cyberdad simultaneously call conservatives aristocrats and peasants? Those greedy filthy rich redneck trailer trash crackers.
Politics transcends class. The only difference is, poor conservatives vote against their own interests by being swayed by hot button issues, be it gay marriage, racial integration, immigration by brown people, etc, while it's rich conservatives doing the swaying and literally laughing all the way to the bank.
And what analogy would you give for rich liberals vs poor ones?
Poor liberals have enough sense to vote for their best interests, and even for doing the right thing. I think I can speak about that with a certain authority as I am a poor liberal.
I suppose rich liberals should be taking their political positions for doing what is right, even though many admittedly do it because they perceive it as politically correct.
Aren't poor liberals likewise swayed by hot button issues? I have heard numerous complaints that poor conservatives care more about jobs and the economy than about russiagate, pee tapes and tweets etc.
I have no doubt poor conservatives worry about the economy and how they'll make ends meet. But then their attention is drawn away with issues like gays "shoving their immoral lifestyles" on straights, of losing jobs to brown skinned invaders, or how the tiny Muslim minority is supposedly going to enforce Sharia law on the country, etc. All notions of getting their piece of the pie goes out the window, but hey, at least they get to fight gay marriage

What hot button issues are poor liberals supposedly swayed by?
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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