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14 Oct 2019, 1:53 am

I agree that the US should have never gotten involved in the first place. And that now the Kurds should lay down their heavy weapons and end the bloodshed by finally give up on an unattainable century long pipedream, that everyone else had the commonsense not to facilitate.



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14 Oct 2019, 1:53 am

Trump was elected on pulling out of Syria 3 years ago. He started pulling out early this year and delayed it. It is absurd and hilarious to make out this was some big surprise.


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14 Oct 2019, 1:59 am

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I agree that the US should have never gotten involved in the first place. And that now the Kurds should lay down their heavy weapons and end the bloodshed by finally give up on an unattainable century long pipedream, that everyone else had the commonsense not to facilitate.


If the kurds lay down their weapons now, they'll be defenseless when they're shot by the Turks, ISIS, and the Syrians.


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14 Oct 2019, 2:03 am

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Trump was elected on pulling out of Syria 3 years ago. He started pulling out early this year and delayed it. It is absurd and hilarious to make out this was some big surprise.


You know how it is, the heavy weapon wielding Kurds must be viewed as defenseless innocent victims and Trumpy must be the big bad cold blooded villian. Is there any way to charge him with committing a war crime over this? It wouldn't surprise me if they're working on it.



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14 Oct 2019, 2:10 am

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Trump was elected on pulling out of Syria 3 years ago. He started pulling out early this year and delayed it. It is absurd and hilarious to make out this was some big surprise.


But the Trump Administration and the State Department kept telling the Kurds NOT to plan for the US departure. The Kurds could see the sentiment in the US about pulling out, but Trump's representatives continued to reassure them and told them not to seek other allies:

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Even last year, when McGurk was still serving, Kurdish leaders in Syria were telling the Americans that if support for them and deterrence against a Turkish attack was not going to continue, they needed to make a deal with the Assad regime and Russia for protection. “We have given our road map to the Russians. We are just waiting on a decision,” one senior Kurdish official told The Washington Post.

McGurk said he supported that idea at a time when Trump already was talking about pulling out of Syria, but he met firm opposition within the administration. (Special Representative for Syria Engagement Jim Jeffrey, for one, “told the Kurds on multiple occasions, ‘we’ll manage Turkey, don’t make a deal with the [Assad] regime,’” according to a source familiar with the matter.) Then-National Security Adviser John Bolton and crew insisted the U.S. must stay in Syria until Iran was out, or at least on its way. (Representatives for Bolton, whom Trump fired last month, did not immediately reply to a request for comment. Neither did State Department spokespeople.)


https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-us-sp ... icial-says

Either the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing, or the Kurds got set up.


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14 Oct 2019, 2:14 am

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EzraS wrote:
I agree that the US should have never gotten involved in the first place. And that now the Kurds should lay down their heavy weapons and end the bloodshed by finally give up on an unattainable century long pipedream, that everyone else had the commonsense not to facilitate.


If the kurds lay down their weapons now, they'll be defenseless when they're shot by the Turks, ISIS, and the Syrians.


Looks like they've put themselves in quite a sticky wicket. Maybe if they had been aiding Syria in combating ISIS instead of combating Syria for something they'll never get, they would be in a better situation.



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14 Oct 2019, 2:20 am

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JohnPowell wrote:
Trump was elected on pulling out of Syria 3 years ago. He started pulling out early this year and delayed it. It is absurd and hilarious to make out this was some big surprise.


But the Trump Administration and the State Department kept telling the Kurds NOT to plan for the US departure. The Kurds could see the sentiment in the US about pulling out, but Trump's representatives continued to reassure them and told them not to seek other allies:

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Even last year, when McGurk was still serving, Kurdish leaders in Syria were telling the Americans that if support for them and deterrence against a Turkish attack was not going to continue, they needed to make a deal with the Assad regime and Russia for protection. “We have given our road map to the Russians. We are just waiting on a decision,” one senior Kurdish official told The Washington Post.

McGurk said he supported that idea at a time when Trump already was talking about pulling out of Syria, but he met firm opposition within the administration. (Special Representative for Syria Engagement Jim Jeffrey, for one, “told the Kurds on multiple occasions, ‘we’ll manage Turkey, don’t make a deal with the [Assad] regime,’” according to a source familiar with the matter.) Then-National Security Adviser John Bolton and crew insisted the U.S. must stay in Syria until Iran was out, or at least on its way. (Representatives for Bolton, whom Trump fired last month, did not immediately reply to a request for comment. Neither did State Department spokespeople.)


https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-us-sp ... icial-says

Either the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing, or the Kurds got set up.


Is The Daily Beast really the best source you have to appeal to?



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14 Oct 2019, 2:35 am

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It's a bit strange seeing people doing the opposite of a Vietnam protest.

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I recall the US carpet bombed villages in Laos and Vietnam and sprayed agent orange which results in thousands of children with birth defects. Different circumstances, the yanks were propping up Pol Pot in Cambodia who murdered millions of his own people as well as Vietnamese civilians.

In contrast the devil (ISIS) has just been released thanks to Trump playing games to protect his investments in Turkey. US troops are needed to maintain order. Not to mention I don't want to pay double for oil at the petrol bowser.



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14 Oct 2019, 2:40 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I agree that the US should have never gotten involved in the first place. And that now the Kurds should lay down their heavy weapons and end the bloodshed by finally give up on an unattainable century long pipedream, that everyone else had the commonsense not to facilitate.


If the kurds lay down their weapons now, they'll be defenseless when they're shot by the Turks, ISIS, and the Syrians.


Looks like they've put themselves in quite a sticky wicket. Maybe if they had been aiding Syria in combating ISIS instead of combating Syria for something they'll never get, they would be in a better situation.


They've been left in a sticky wicket after they put their lives on the line fighting ISIS for us. We owe something to these people. How are our other allies going to trust us because of Trump's fickleness?


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14 Oct 2019, 2:42 am

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I take your point the label may not be valid but phylogenetically the agglutinative languages (broadly Ural-Altaic) are more linguistically closely related to each other than to Indo-European and Sino-Tibetan and Austro-Asiatic.

Physically, genetically and culturally you can't get more different than a dark skinned individual from South India and a Japanese person yet even here there are unusual similarities in languages separated by thousands of miles of mountain and ocean.



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14 Oct 2019, 2:57 am

beneficii wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Trump was elected on pulling out of Syria 3 years ago. He started pulling out early this year and delayed it. It is absurd and hilarious to make out this was some big surprise.


But the Trump Administration and the State Department kept telling the Kurds NOT to plan for the US departure. The Kurds could see the sentiment in the US about pulling out, but Trump's representatives continued to reassure them and told them not to seek other allies:

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Even last year, when McGurk was still serving, Kurdish leaders in Syria were telling the Americans that if support for them and deterrence against a Turkish attack was not going to continue, they needed to make a deal with the Assad regime and Russia for protection. “We have given our road map to the Russians. We are just waiting on a decision,” one senior Kurdish official told The Washington Post.

McGurk said he supported that idea at a time when Trump already was talking about pulling out of Syria, but he met firm opposition within the administration. (Special Representative for Syria Engagement Jim Jeffrey, for one, “told the Kurds on multiple occasions, ‘we’ll manage Turkey, don’t make a deal with the [Assad] regime,’” according to a source familiar with the matter.) Then-National Security Adviser John Bolton and crew insisted the U.S. must stay in Syria until Iran was out, or at least on its way. (Representatives for Bolton, whom Trump fired last month, did not immediately reply to a request for comment. Neither did State Department spokespeople.)


https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-us-sp ... icial-says

Either the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing, or the Kurds got set up.


"Last year" being the key word. If they are dumb enough not to know they are just cannon fodder proxies for the US then they deserve What is coming to them.

They have struck a deal with the Syrian government though so we can drop the fake care for the Kurds and all the hysteria

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... ck-2019-10


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14 Oct 2019, 2:58 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I agree that the US should have never gotten involved in the first place. And that now the Kurds should lay down their heavy weapons and end the bloodshed by finally give up on an unattainable century long pipedream, that everyone else had the commonsense not to facilitate.


If the kurds lay down their weapons now, they'll be defenseless when they're shot by the Turks, ISIS, and the Syrians.


Looks like they've put themselves in quite a sticky wicket. Maybe if they had been aiding Syria in combating ISIS instead of combating Syria for something they'll never get, they would be in a better situation.


Exactly.

And No, the Daily Beast is the biggest rag of all.


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14 Oct 2019, 3:01 am

The U.S. has supported organ eating, head chopping, child murdering, Christian slaughtering Jihadists in Syria and a group that had a 9/11 suspect freed. Liberals are a disgrace for crowing for the US to stay there. It's never been about 'protecting Kurds' :lol: It is lunacy that anyone believe that c**p.


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14 Oct 2019, 3:17 am

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The U.S. has supported organ eating, head chopping, child murdering, Christian slaughtering Jihadists in Syria and a group that had a 9/11 suspect freed. Liberals are a disgrace for crowing for the US to stay there. It's never been about 'protecting Kurds' :lol: It is lunacy that anyone believe that c**p.


Oh, yeah, my country is really into eating organs, decapitating kids, and slaughtering Christians! Why, I think I'll go out with a butcher knife and harvest some livers! :P :skull:


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14 Oct 2019, 3:27 am

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JohnPowell wrote:
The U.S. has supported organ eating, head chopping, child murdering, Christian slaughtering Jihadists in Syria and a group that had a 9/11 suspect freed. Liberals are a disgrace for crowing for the US to stay there. It's never been about 'protecting Kurds' :lol: It is lunacy that anyone believe that c**p.


Oh, yeah, my country is really into eating organs, decapitating kids, and slaughtering Christians! Why, I think I'll go out with a butcher knife and harvest some livers! :P :skull:


John predicting the zombie apocalypse :lol:



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14 Oct 2019, 3:30 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I agree that the US should have never gotten involved in the first place. And that now the Kurds should lay down their heavy weapons and end the bloodshed by finally give up on an unattainable century long pipedream, that everyone else had the commonsense not to facilitate.


If the kurds lay down their weapons now, they'll be defenseless when they're shot by the Turks, ISIS, and the Syrians.


Looks like they've put themselves in quite a sticky wicket. Maybe if they had been aiding Syria in combating ISIS instead of combating Syria for something they'll never get, they would be in a better situation.


They've been left in a sticky wicket after they put their lives on the line fighting ISIS for us. We owe something to these people. How are our other allies going to trust us because of Trump's fickleness?


How can they be effectively fighting ISIS while they are fighting Turkey and Syria for something that doesn't belong to them?



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