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IsabellaLinton wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
I’m not going to present the fact that some people think that gay marriage is wrong as a positive thing. That would hurt my personal sense of morality, especially since these views are so damaging to gay people who are raised in these religions. I can respect the people even if I have no respect for certain beliefs they hold which are offensive to me. I’m not going to uphold Nazism, either.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I didn't say you should tell him "anti-gay rights is positive". I didn't say anything like that whatsoever. The "positive" is that you can teach him people live in a free society where they can make their own decisions about a number of issues, as they grow up.
The "positive" is that no one has to be something they aren't. The "positive" is that you are openminded to accept him whatever he chooses in any number of decisions. The "positive" is that even though his grandparents are JW, they love him and you do too, regardless of what he believes down the road.
Expose your son to age appropriate books or videos or other examples where there are gay parents or gay children, so he knows that you are openminded. When you talk about families make sure you mention that families come in all forms. He will learn from what he's exposed to, and what you treat as valid. That's what's positive.
What makes you think that I don’t do that?!?
I didn’t come on here asking for parenting advice today. What we are doing is working for us, our situation, and environment.
06 Jan 2020, 4:36 pm
Twilightprincess wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
I’m not going to present the fact that some people think that gay marriage is wrong as a positive thing. That would hurt my personal sense of morality, especially since these views are so damaging to gay people who are raised in these religions. I can respect the people even if I have no respect for certain beliefs they hold which are offensive to me. I’m not going to uphold Nazism, either.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I didn't say you should tell him "anti-gay rights is positive". I didn't say anything like that whatsoever. The "positive" is that you can teach him people live in a free society where they can make their own decisions about a number of issues, as they grow up.
The "positive" is that no one has to be something they aren't. The "positive" is that you are openminded to accept him whatever he chooses in any number of decisions. The "positive" is that even though his grandparents are JW, they love him and you do too, regardless of what he believes down the road.
Expose your son to age appropriate books or videos or other examples where there are gay parents or gay children, so he knows that you are openminded. When you talk about families make sure you mention that families come in all forms. He will learn from what he's exposed to, and what you treat as valid. That's what's positive.
What makes you think that I don’t do that?!?
I didn’t come on here asking for parenting advice today. What we are doing is working for us, our situation, and environment.
I didn't say that you don't do that. You thought I was advocating for something totally different, so I was explaining what I meant. This thread is supposed to be a news article celebrating change and forward thinking in the church. You have written several posts about your personal life, saying that the church is harmful to your son. You cracked jokes about people in the church even when they stated they support gay marriage. You didn't ask for parenting advice but you made a lot of generalisations about religion based on your son and your family, and you mentioned him repeatedly. I was speaking up for people who don't like to be misunderstood.
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IsabellaLinton wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
I’m not going to present the fact that some people think that gay marriage is wrong as a positive thing. That would hurt my personal sense of morality, especially since these views are so damaging to gay people who are raised in these religions. I can respect the people even if I have no respect for certain beliefs they hold which are offensive to me. I’m not going to uphold Nazism, either.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I didn't say you should tell him "anti-gay rights is positive". I didn't say anything like that whatsoever. The "positive" is that you can teach him people live in a free society where they can make their own decisions about a number of issues, as they grow up.
The "positive" is that no one has to be something they aren't. The "positive" is that you are openminded to accept him whatever he chooses in any number of decisions. The "positive" is that even though his grandparents are JW, they love him and you do too, regardless of what he believes down the road.
Expose your son to age appropriate books or videos or other examples where there are gay parents or gay children, so he knows that you are openminded. When you talk about families make sure you mention that families come in all forms. He will learn from what he's exposed to, and what you treat as valid. That's what's positive.
What makes you think that I don’t do that?!?
I didn’t come on here asking for parenting advice today. What we are doing is working for us, our situation, and environment.
I didn't say that you don't do that. You thought I was advocating for something totally different, so I was explaining what I meant. This thread is supposed to be a news article celebrating change and forward thinking in the church. You have written several posts about your personal life, saying that the church is harmful to your son. You cracked jokes about people in the church even when they stated they support gay marriage. You didn't ask for parenting advice but you made a lot of generalisations about religion based on your son and your family, and you mentioned him repeatedly. I was speaking up for people who don't like to be misunderstood.
If you dislike my posts, report them instead of repeatedly complaining about them.
The news item isn’t entirely good. The church isn’t making a complete move from not accepting the LGBT community to accepting them. It’s caused a huge split.
It’s still a problem in a lot of churches. It’s still something that needs to be worked on. There are churches who are accepting, but there are many still that aren’t.
I don’t think I said anywhere that no church was.
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Bravo5150 wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
I see your point. I usually have to get creative when I answer the door to one.
Any good stories?
I’ve got several from the other side of the equation. LOL
But I’ll maybe save that for another time.
One time I had a couple of JW's at the door and they asked about three or four questions before saying "We want to talk to you about the good book." And I said, "I was reading until you knocked. I thought Playboy is a good book."
LOL
That’s pretty good! Nobody ever said anything that funny to me.
When I was 12, I got carsick and threw up on a homeowner’s shoes. It wasn’t funny at the time but it is in retrospect.
There were a bunch of oddballs but nothing demonstrably funny. Every now and then someone would answer the door almost nude when he or she was expecting someone else.
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