Trump asks 3M to stop selling N95 masks to Canada

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03 Apr 2020, 7:39 pm

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Since I've already derailed I have a question for you Goldfish.

Do Canadians who are on Disability get any form of COVID stimulus money? I'm referring to adults who have never worked because of disability, or adults who worked at one point in their lives but became disabled and no longer work? I'm curious. It seems that low income families get money, but only if they are "unemployed" or they lost work because of COVID-19.

What about those who weren't working because of disability?

Yes. It may not replace lost part time job income that they’re allowed to make or side hustle cash they were making, but people on disability are automatically getting an additional $300 for 3 months. (April, May, June) This is in BC for sure but not sure if it’s nationwide or not. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/fami ... ance/covid

Thanks. That's interesting. What is "Disability Assistance" ?

Is that paid by BC or by the federal government?

Disability Assistance is what people with permanent disabilities who cannot work get instead of regular IA (welfare) for able bodied/minded people. Some have intellectual disabilities, others like my uncle have MS, others have been injured in car accidents, or another uncle and cousin who are diagnosed bipolar etc. They survive but don’t live the high life that’s for sure. Better than welfare, though!

I’m not sure if it’s provincial or federal or if both exist tbh. Not my area of expertise. Definitely provincial, not sure if there is a federal, though.

Income Assistance aka Welfare is provincial and each province pays differing amounts with different rules. These are the rates paid in BC and how much people are allowed to earn before money is clawed back from welfare:

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/fami ... assistance

Single people get up to $760/mo and can earn up to $400/mo.

People on permanent disability get more, $1183/mo and are allowed to earn another $1000/mo working. They’re also allowed to have $100k in assets or $200k for a couple - not including your home or car.

Here are the rates for disability:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/fami ... assistance

Here’s the income exemption:

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/fami ... -exemption

It’s a bit ironic that they’re incapable of working full time but allowed to earn $12,000/year whereas regular welfare is only allowed to earn $400/mo before benefits are reduced.. which keeps some people trapped on welfare vs getting off of it. Dumb IMO. We should let those on welfare earn more before clawing anything back so that more can truly get on their feet and off the system.

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03 Apr 2020, 8:51 pm

You sure are getting a lot of gameplay out of your america vs canada routine. Almost like the probiotics routine eh?

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03 Apr 2020, 9:27 pm

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You sure are getting a lot of gameplay out of your america vs canada routine. Almost like the probiotics routine eh?

The plot thickens..

Excerpt from article:

“Addressing the issue, Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday it would be a “mistake” for the U.S. to limit exports of medical supplies to Canada in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.

Trudeau also tactfully added that he’s “confident that the close and deep relationship between Canada and the U.S. will hold strong and we will not have to see interruptions in the supply chain in either direction.”

While not coming right and saying it, many saw Trudeau’s reference to not interrupting trade in “either direction” a subtle nod to the fact that Canada is the exclusive producer of many strategic raw materials American companies, including 3M, rely upon.

“K10S is the pulp that we’re producing for these medical supplies. We’re the only one that produces it,”

Levi Sampson, Canadian mill Harmac Pacific president
A company in Canada, Harmac Pacific, is the world’s only producer of the particular grade of paper pulp used in the manufacture of surgical masks and gowns.

So now suddenly that makes things a bit awkward…

Canadians on social media were quick to criticize the move by Trump with many pointing out that the raw material to produce the masks is produced in only in Canada. “The raw materials to make the N95 masks come from British Columbia, Canada. Try us.” said one user on Twitter.

I call on Canada @JustinTrudeau to immediately stop shipping any components or materials to 3M in the United States, if they won’t send us back finished products. That includes the pulp needed for N95 masks.”

No masks for Canada = no masks for anyone, f*****s. :lol:

The article goes on to say this is the second time the trump administration has tried to monopolize resources during the pandemic - the first being an attempt to buy exclusive rights to a developing vaccine from a German company.

Here’s the article in full:

https://www.portandterminal.com/trump-s ... to-canada/

So proud of my fellow hard working British Columbians supplying the entire world with the raw materials required to make N95 masks and other items!

Hopefully a certain neighbouring country doesn’t make us have to cut off their supply. Truly would be a real shame - their doctors and nurses don’t deserve to be exposed to unnecessary risk of contagion because their president is a short sighted moron incapable of playing checkers, never mind chess.

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04 Apr 2020, 6:55 am

^ reporting this as inappropriate, it's become callous, bad for relations, verging on racist.

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04 Apr 2020, 7:01 am

Oh oh, I heard if you report someone they get banned.

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04 Apr 2020, 7:05 am

:shrug: These threads started off being quite amusing but the antagonism just reached a whole new level.

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04 Apr 2020, 7:45 am

This is one example of what Never Trumpers and the Democrats were both warning about, that Trump's incompetence would ultimately harm America's interests.

I would hope that somebody can get an adult into the room to help Donald understand these issues because even his base must understand that America's industries require raw materials from elsewhere.

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04 Apr 2020, 7:59 am

What I have learned when it comes to the Never Trumpers and the Democrats is that no matter how he handled the situation it they would have complained.

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04 Apr 2020, 8:42 am

k106 is pulp made from Western Cedar.It wouldn’t take long for our paper mills to make it.Not like Canada is the only place Western cedar grows.

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04 Apr 2020, 8:50 am

EzraS wrote:

What I have learned when it comes to the Never Trumpers and the Democrats is that no matter how he handled the situation it they would have complained.

I'm not sure that's 100% true, but it is a common defence to pull out preemptively when one knows they will fail to deal with a situation adequately. (Nobody could have handled this!)

I'm sure there are establishment media and political figures who fit what you're describing, but that there are also others who wouldn't. As much as TYT is unlikely to support his actions they have occasionally said positive things when it was warranted.

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04 Apr 2020, 8:56 am

Canada’s treatment of its native people seems to be something they want to sweep under the rug.
Guess they aren’t so perfect after all.
https://origins.osu.edu/article/canada- ... elebration
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ent-report

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04 Apr 2020, 9:06 am

There is only one person making any such claims, probably to strike nerves and push buttons.

And he has gotten far more attention out of it than he should have.

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04 Apr 2020, 9:12 am

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Canada doesn't have a spectacular record when it comes to viewing us as part of Canadian society. AFAIK Canada, Australia, the US and New Zealand all have pretty shameful pasts when it comes to treatment of indigenous peoples and that of them New Zealand has made the greatest strides towards reconciliation. I'm not sure how Canada, Australia and the US measure up relative to each other.

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04 Apr 2020, 9:25 am

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It seems to depend on your location in the US.I have heard a few people from western states make derogatory remarks about the native people.
In my state it’s considered an honor to have native blood and people are proud of it.

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04 Apr 2020, 9:43 am

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Something I've noticed over the years is that for whatever reason white nationalists in Canada or the US don't really make a big deal out of a person having some degree of indigenous ancestry if they're sympathetic to the WN cause, it's more a matter of they don't like the notion of us having a culture or a distinct identity. It appears to be a hostility driven by 'why won't you people assimilate more?'

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04 Apr 2020, 9:52 am

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The Cherokee tried and it sure didn’t help them.
Diversity is beautiful.

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