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Wolfram87
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18 Jun 2020, 2:12 am

So basically ignorance is an excuse? Sorry, I dont buy it. Somehow I suspect that the same people going on about not "honouring monsters" would also describe themselves in terms favourable to the man who invented the modern regime of terror.


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18 Jun 2020, 2:18 am

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Somehow I suspect that the same people going on about not "honouring monsters" would also describe themselves in terms favourable to the man who invented the modern regime of terror.


Really? I suspect you are projecting that all SJWs also carry little red books with pictures of chairman Mao :roll:

Lenin is so historically irrelevant that it wouldn't even register with the anti-racist people if the statue existed or not.



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18 Jun 2020, 2:31 am

Some random slave owners and confederate soldiers from 200 years ago are historically relevant, but the founder of the USSR and founder of Communism is "historically irrelevant"? What's it like in that paralell universe you seem to inhabit?


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18 Jun 2020, 2:47 am

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Some random slave owners and confederate soldiers from 200 years ago are historically relevant, but the founder of the USSR and founder of Communism is "historically irrelevant"? What's it like in that paralell universe you seem to inhabit?


communism is not a threat to the world, racists on the other hand....



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18 Jun 2020, 2:55 am

Do you think the two are mutually exclusive? Lenin had some spicy racial opinions.


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18 Jun 2020, 2:56 am

cyberdad wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
Some random slave owners and confederate soldiers from 200 years ago are historically relevant, but the founder of the USSR and founder of Communism is "historically irrelevant"? What's it like in that paralell universe you seem to inhabit?


communism is not a threat to the world, racists on the other hand....


Are also not a threat to the world. Distasteful, yes, a threat to the world, no.



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18 Jun 2020, 3:06 am

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So how's that Lenin statue looking?


You won't see me shed any tears if it's no longer intact tomorrow.


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18 Jun 2020, 4:01 am

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Keep the history books, dump the statues. Statues often celebrate and immortalize the undeserving and tyrannical.

Is It Time to Tear Down MLK Statues and Memorials?
https://theresurgent.com/2019/06/21/is- ... memorials/

"A huge archive of documents recently released from Federal Bureau of Investigation files exposes in detail King’s sexual activities with dozens of women as he travelled the country campaigning against racial inequality"


I don't trust the FBI and don't see the value in statues :) MLK was entitled to a healthy sex life just like the rest of us.


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18 Jun 2020, 4:07 am

cyberdad wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
Some random slave owners and confederate soldiers from 200 years ago are historically relevant, but the founder of the USSR and founder of Communism is "historically irrelevant"? What's it like in that paralell universe you seem to inhabit?


communism is not a threat to the world, racists on the other hand....

The some 60million killed by communism would probably disagree if they weren’t dead


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18 Jun 2020, 5:22 am

cyberdad wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
Some random slave owners and confederate soldiers from 200 years ago are historically relevant, but the founder of the USSR and founder of Communism is "historically irrelevant"? What's it like in that paralell universe you seem to inhabit?


communism is not a threat to the world, racists on the other hand....


Tell it to the 1 million Uygurs in "Re-Education Camps", in china.

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The Xinjiang re-education camps, officially called Vocational Education and Training Centers by the government of the People's Republic of China,[9][10][11] are internment camps that have been operated by the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region government for the purpose of indoctrinating Uyghurs since 2017[3] as part of a "people's war on terror" announced in 2014. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_ ... tion_camps


Also, tell that to the coronavirus whistleblowers that have died or disappeared. 8O

And how many hundreds of thousand people, all over the world, have died of the CV because the chinese let infected people fly out of the country.

And what about Australia being punished for requesting an investigation into the CV?



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18 Jun 2020, 5:28 am

Teach51 wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Teach51 wrote:
Keep the history books, dump the statues. Statues often celebrate and immortalize the undeserving and tyrannical.

Is It Time to Tear Down MLK Statues and Memorials?
https://theresurgent.com/2019/06/21/is- ... memorials/

"A huge archive of documents recently released from Federal Bureau of Investigation files exposes in detail King’s sexual activities with dozens of women as he travelled the country campaigning against racial inequality"


I don't trust the FBI and don't see the value in statues :) MLK was entitled to a healthy sex life just like the rest of us.


I don't know about MLK, but has your BF got a smile on his face again? 8O



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18 Jun 2020, 5:51 am

The CCP, North Koreans and Russians aren't socialists in the classic communist sense. They are national socialists. They think of their race first.



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18 Jun 2020, 6:45 am

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I don't trust the FBI and don't see the value in statues :) MLK was entitled to a healthy sex life just like the rest of us.

he was exclaiming that he didn't feel like a black man no more, in one tape. in any case, cheating on his wife, not reflecting well on a man of the cloth. he had feet of clay even as his rhetoric reached to heaven.



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18 Jun 2020, 7:50 am

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Teach51 wrote:
I don't trust the FBI and don't see the value in statues :) MLK was entitled to a healthy sex life just like the rest of us.

he was exclaiming that he didn't feel like a black man no more, in one tape. in any case, cheating on his wife, not reflecting well on a man of the cloth. he had feet of clay even as his rhetoric reached to heaven.


Adulation makes people lose their sense of humility. I didn't know it was adultery. I am totally intolerant of adultery.


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18 Jun 2020, 11:01 am

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No one's attempting to deny history though. We're just opposed to celebrating history's greatest monsters.


You seem to forget that man is very visual. You also assume that everyone reads? Half the little s**ts in the classroom don't even listen to their teachers. So, if they can't see it and they don't read it and they haven't heard it, what might prompt them to ask for more information? Nothing... so they will forget. If forgetting is your game, so be it.

But you're making a dangerous assumption by thinking everyone learns, remembers as you do.


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18 Jun 2020, 12:02 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
So how's that Lenin statue looking?

Not sure what point you’re trying to make, but statues of Lenin have quite rightly been pulled down, vandalised, had their heads removed, been moved to museums, and otherwise mocked.

There are two statues of Lenin in major US cities, both on private property. There is one in New York which is on top of a building, and another in Seattle which around this time of year is dressed in drag. The family who own it have set a ridiculous sale price which means it will probably be on display until some law is deliberately passed to forbid it.