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18 Mar 2021, 6:50 pm

↑ No, Sylkat, I am not referring to your post, but to the post I quoted.

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18 Mar 2021, 7:00 pm

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Bayless, who says he was being treated for drug addiction, said he was in a halfway house named Maverick Recovery with Long in late 2019 and early 2020, and last saw Long last February. He said Long had been treated for sex addiction and that he frequented massage parlors "for explicitly sexual activity."

Bayless said Long was "deeply religious" and would become "very emotionally distraught that he frequented these places."

"In the halfway house he would describe several of his sexual addiction 'relapses' as he called them. He would have a deep feeling of remorse and shame and say he needed to return to prayer and to return to God," he said.

Sex addiction and religiously motivated guilt will likely turn out to be the primary motive.

I am including racism and misogyny in addition to sex addiction and religiously motivated guilt. However, he may still surprise us all by pleading "Impaired Judgement". I just hope he does not also claim an autism spectrum disorder.

Oh, I don't doubt racism and misogyny are also relevant factors. These ideas often get packaged together and often a person who acts out in an extreme way motivated by one hate has several other forms of rage bubbling along side the one that spurred the action.

But, I would say if he has autism it's probably worth knowing. If autism is a factor in why some of us turn out like this it's in our interest to try to understand why in hopes that these people can be helped before they act like this.

If autism isn't relevant it's worth understanding in order to challenge any false perceptions that it's relevant, which would also be in our interests.

Helping people with autism is always in the interests of people with autism, even the ones who bring us great shame. Helping them before they cause that to occur is always ideal.

Being able to debunk negative preconceptions people have of autistic individuals is also in our best collective interests.

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18 Mar 2021, 7:04 pm

Thank you, Fnord; I truly feel, from what I have read so far, that this ‘Incel’ idea and online communication pushed a hurting, unstable man to commit a terrible crime.
I very much hope that his online history/communication is THOROUGHLY researched by the police.
Perhaps another ‘Incel’ knew what was festering in his mind and agreed with his notion!

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18 Mar 2021, 7:09 pm

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It would seem reasonable to treat them like terrorist networks instead of just like individuals, at least if the evidence supports such an approach.

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18 Mar 2021, 7:15 pm

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From my perspective, this behavior is more comparable to e.g. Charlie Hebdo related killings: a religious fanatic targets people who "offend" what he finds "sacred".
Only the Charlie Hebdo pictures were at least really, intentionally offensive - but we still find killing people over this acts of horrible terrorism. Massage parlors are not intended to offend anyone, they're just businesses.

I think a better comparison is to the Pulse Nightclub massacre. So much was made of Omar Mateen's religious faith, his theorized sexual orientation, his race and the sexual orientation and skin color of those he murdered. Fabricated theories suggested he repressed his own homosexuality because his religious faith considered it a sin and because of his inability to control himself from doing what he believed to be a sin he acted out in rage to kill as many gay men as he could. I believe there was also a hearsay witness who said Mateen had contracted HIV from a Latino man and that's why he specific attacked this gay nightclub on Latino night. The haters then just like now came out in force to divide everyone by skin color, religious beliefs and sexual orientation and establish blame and motive on that basis with little to no evidence.

In the end, it turned out he was simply a very troubled person starting from his childhood who was radicalized by a terrorist organization and committed an act of terror.

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18 Mar 2021, 7:25 pm

I agree.
I do believe people can be helped.
But I do believe that someone deeply disturbed can be encouraged towards dangerous obsessions and pushed into violence.

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18 Mar 2021, 7:52 pm

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Something is desperately wrong when people are more concerned with what is being said about an admitted criminal than the crimes that criminal committed, or the victims against whom he committed those crimes.

To me something is desperately wrong when people are purposely and automatically divided by skin color, gender, religion and/or sexual orientation to attempt to establish guilt and motive on that basis alone without evidence rather than focusing on examining/finding evidence, understanding true motives, and ultimately a proper determination of guilt or innocence in a fair legal process.

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18 Mar 2021, 8:57 pm

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The perp confessed to murdering 8 innocent people -- there is no "deception" about it (other than possibly his stated motive). What argument could possibly succeed against his own voluntary confession of mass murder?

Deceptive or fallacious arguments.
This quote itself can be taken as one because the act of murdering and the confession have nothing to do with an actual argument being made.

When someone comes up with arguments such as the racism argument or similar that happens to be irrelevant, considering there's nothing here that indicates racism and authorities don't seem to think so either.

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And why is the discussion of what words are used to describe this confessed killer more important to certain people than the cold-blooded killings he committed?

Example:
Fact 1: Hitler was responsable for the holocaust, including gipsies
Fact 2: Hitler was a white male
Fact 3: A white male assaulted and killed a man who was a gispy
Person 1: That white man is a nazi
Person 2: Just because he is white that makes him a nazi?
Person 1: Why is this more important than the actual killing?

ok, this is exaggerated before an accusation of being ironic.
but if you don't care one way or the other, right, but don't go asking "why this is more important than that".

Anyway, it all comes down to this: that guy is f****d up in the head, and this is when the conversation should end, rather than turning this into a political debate.

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18 Mar 2021, 8:58 pm

So why is it so difficult to address what the shooter's intent was before jumping to conclusions that he's autistic or racist?.

I attempted this about 6 pages ago and was given some non-relevant stuff about the catholic church??

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18 Mar 2021, 8:58 pm

binstein wrote:

Fnord wrote:

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And why is the discussion of what words are used to describe this confessed killer more important to certain people than the cold-blooded killings he committed?

Example:
Fact 1: Hitler was responsable for the holocaust, including gipsys
Fact 2: Hitler was a white male
Fact 3: A white male assaulted and killed a man who was a gispy
Person 1: That white man is a nazi
Person 2: Just because he is white that makes him a nazi?
Person 1: Why is this more important than the actual killing?

ok, this is exaggerated before an accusation of being ironic.
but if you don't care one way or the other, right, but don't go asking "why this is more important than that".

Anyway, it all comes down to this: that guy is f****d up in the head, and this is when the conversation should end, rather than turning this into a political debate.

This is all way off-topic??

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18 Mar 2021, 9:04 pm

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The killer is supposed to be christian or something and that lead to the other stuff. Conversations from a thread on WP go on tangets like this, I have noticed this, which is one of the reasons I like this place.

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18 Mar 2021, 9:11 pm

binstein wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Yeah...true

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19 Mar 2021, 8:20 am

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19 Mar 2021, 8:21 am

A sign of America’s recovery from the pandemic

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19 Mar 2021, 5:21 pm

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A sign of America’s recovery from the pandemic

Yeah our murders have gone up as well following lockdown last year.

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