Anyone Keeping Up With the January 6th Riot?
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09 Aug 2021, 2:33 pm
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/audio-shows-profanity-laced-voicemail-095458498.html
By the way, here's something else showing the right's disgust for these hero police officers.
I gotta say, this is genuinely making me see red.
By the way, here's something else showing the right's disgust for these hero police officers.
I gotta say, this is genuinely making me see red.
Democrats and the Marxist Left have been vilifying police for years. Finally wanting to defund and even abolish police but somehow in Clownworld its the conservatives who are anti-police?
In twenty years when the Boomers are fertilizer the GOP will have no stable base left and will become a permanent minority. They will be ineffective on the national stage, unable to win the Presidency or majorities in Congress. The conversion of Texas and Arizona to blue states by Mexican migrants will seal this.
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11 Aug 2021, 7:05 am
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Proud Boy defendant uses perceived autism as a
reason not to mask up
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A Texas Proud Boy could be facing a new warrant for his arrest if he continues refusing to wear a mask during pretrial check-ins, a federal judge warned him Friday.
During a contentious hearing Friday afternoon, Daniel Goodwyn, of Corinth, Texas, repeatedly suggested to U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton that he was not planning on abiding by a policy – or Walton’s order – requiring him to wear a mask during check-ins with pretrial services. Goodwyn claimed – despite ample evidence to the contrary – that he didn’t believe masks worked or that he could transmit the COVID-19 virus asymptomatically.
“There have been over 600,000 people who have died as a result of coming into contact with this virus, so I don’t care if you believe it or not,” Walton told him. “I’m not going to be a part of other people dying because of what you don’t believe.”
Goodwyn was indicted in February on multiple charges, including a felony count of obstruction of an official proceeding that carries a potential maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. According to court documents, Goodwyn is a self-described Proud Boy who was captured on video inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 calling an officer an “oathbreaker.”
Goodwyn was granted pretrial release in March, but on Wednesday, the Justice Department filed a motion asking Walton to revoke that release. In its filing, the DOJ said Goodwyn had repeatedly refused to wear a mask during a June 21 visit to pretrial services and then refused to appear for a July 2 meeting.
The government also noted that during his initial arrest on Jan. 29, FBI agents learned that at least one member of Goodwyn’s household believed they had COVID-19 – however Goodwyn allegedly refused to answer if he was positive, take a COVID-19 test or to wear any personal protective equipment.
“When FBI placed a mask on the defendant’s face after his arrest, the defendant attempted to chew through the mask and spit the mask out,” the DOJ wrote. “During the defendant’s arrest, FBI used approximately five masks on the defendant. FBI then drove the defendant to a facility approximately 90 minutes from his residence that was willing to quarantine him.”
Goodwyn eventually agreed to wear a mask for his initial hearing, but since then has returned to “petulant and insolent behavior,” the DOJ said.
Goodwyn’s attorney, John Daniel Hull IV, attempted to explain his client’s behavior by saying he believes he is on the autism spectrum and that forcing him to wear a mask will likely cause him to “flip out.” Goodwyn’s mother also testified that Goodwyn had been seen by an autism specialist, and that she believed he had Asperger’s syndrome, but said she had no documentation of that diagnosis.
Walton said he understood the issues autism might cause, but said he would need paperwork to show a doctor’s diagnosis. He also chastised Hull for a letter he wrote to pretrial services calling an employee “arrogant” and “prissy."
Goodwyn then began protesting further but was stopped by his attorney, who interjected and warned him, “Daniel… you can’t do this.”
Walton ended the hearing with a week’s window for Hull to provide documentation of Goodwyn’s autism diagnosis and another reminder to pretrial services to alert him if Goodwyn again refuses to follow mask rules.
During a contentious hearing Friday afternoon, Daniel Goodwyn, of Corinth, Texas, repeatedly suggested to U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton that he was not planning on abiding by a policy – or Walton’s order – requiring him to wear a mask during check-ins with pretrial services. Goodwyn claimed – despite ample evidence to the contrary – that he didn’t believe masks worked or that he could transmit the COVID-19 virus asymptomatically.
“There have been over 600,000 people who have died as a result of coming into contact with this virus, so I don’t care if you believe it or not,” Walton told him. “I’m not going to be a part of other people dying because of what you don’t believe.”
Goodwyn was indicted in February on multiple charges, including a felony count of obstruction of an official proceeding that carries a potential maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. According to court documents, Goodwyn is a self-described Proud Boy who was captured on video inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 calling an officer an “oathbreaker.”
Goodwyn was granted pretrial release in March, but on Wednesday, the Justice Department filed a motion asking Walton to revoke that release. In its filing, the DOJ said Goodwyn had repeatedly refused to wear a mask during a June 21 visit to pretrial services and then refused to appear for a July 2 meeting.
The government also noted that during his initial arrest on Jan. 29, FBI agents learned that at least one member of Goodwyn’s household believed they had COVID-19 – however Goodwyn allegedly refused to answer if he was positive, take a COVID-19 test or to wear any personal protective equipment.
“When FBI placed a mask on the defendant’s face after his arrest, the defendant attempted to chew through the mask and spit the mask out,” the DOJ wrote. “During the defendant’s arrest, FBI used approximately five masks on the defendant. FBI then drove the defendant to a facility approximately 90 minutes from his residence that was willing to quarantine him.”
Goodwyn eventually agreed to wear a mask for his initial hearing, but since then has returned to “petulant and insolent behavior,” the DOJ said.
Goodwyn’s attorney, John Daniel Hull IV, attempted to explain his client’s behavior by saying he believes he is on the autism spectrum and that forcing him to wear a mask will likely cause him to “flip out.” Goodwyn’s mother also testified that Goodwyn had been seen by an autism specialist, and that she believed he had Asperger’s syndrome, but said she had no documentation of that diagnosis.
Walton said he understood the issues autism might cause, but said he would need paperwork to show a doctor’s diagnosis. He also chastised Hull for a letter he wrote to pretrial services calling an employee “arrogant” and “prissy."
Goodwyn then began protesting further but was stopped by his attorney, who interjected and warned him, “Daniel… you can’t do this.”
Walton ended the hearing with a week’s window for Hull to provide documentation of Goodwyn’s autism diagnosis and another reminder to pretrial services to alert him if Goodwyn again refuses to follow mask rules.
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On Tuesday, NBC4 reporter Scott MacFarlane, one of the chief sources for updates on the Capitol rioter trials, reported that a Proud Boy arrested in February for allegedly breaking into the U.S. Capitol on January 6 cited autism as his inability to wear a face mask in compliance with court COVID-19 safety guidelines.
"Let me start with an update on the case of Daniel Goodwyn," said MacFarlane. "You'll recall last week I told you about Goodwyn. During a hearing, Goodwyn told the judge that Goodwyn would not wear a mask, wouldn't wear it in court, and wouldn't wear it when meeting with pretrial services ... the judge kicked back and said, wear the mask or I'll send U.S. Marshals with an arrest warrant. Goodwyn has provided a doctor's note from a former doctor, who says that he treated Goodwyn, Goodwyn appeared to be on the autism spectrum, and that people on the autism spectrum often have problems, have impositions caused by masks."
The judge has reportedly not yet weighed in on this note.
"Let me start with an update on the case of Daniel Goodwyn," said MacFarlane. "You'll recall last week I told you about Goodwyn. During a hearing, Goodwyn told the judge that Goodwyn would not wear a mask, wouldn't wear it in court, and wouldn't wear it when meeting with pretrial services ... the judge kicked back and said, wear the mask or I'll send U.S. Marshals with an arrest warrant. Goodwyn has provided a doctor's note from a former doctor, who says that he treated Goodwyn, Goodwyn appeared to be on the autism spectrum, and that people on the autism spectrum often have problems, have impositions caused by masks."
The judge has reportedly not yet weighed in on this note.
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11 Aug 2021, 3:07 pm
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On Tuesday, NBC4 reporter Scott MacFarlane, one of the chief sources for updates on the Capitol rioter trials, reported that a Proud Boy arrested in February for allegedly breaking into the U.S. Capitol on January 6 cited autism as his inability to wear a face mask in compliance with court COVID-19 safety guidelines.
"Let me start with an update on the case of Daniel Goodwyn," said MacFarlane. "You'll recall last week I told you about Goodwyn. During a hearing, Goodwyn told the judge that Goodwyn would not wear a mask, wouldn't wear it in court, and wouldn't wear it when meeting with pretrial services ... the judge kicked back and said, wear the mask or I'll send U.S. Marshals with an arrest warrant. Goodwyn has provided a doctor's note from a former doctor, who says that he treated Goodwyn, Goodwyn appeared to be on the autism spectrum, and that people on the autism spectrum often have problems, have impositions caused by masks."
The judge has reportedly not yet weighed in on this note.
"Let me start with an update on the case of Daniel Goodwyn," said MacFarlane. "You'll recall last week I told you about Goodwyn. During a hearing, Goodwyn told the judge that Goodwyn would not wear a mask, wouldn't wear it in court, and wouldn't wear it when meeting with pretrial services ... the judge kicked back and said, wear the mask or I'll send U.S. Marshals with an arrest warrant. Goodwyn has provided a doctor's note from a former doctor, who says that he treated Goodwyn, Goodwyn appeared to be on the autism spectrum, and that people on the autism spectrum often have problems, have impositions caused by masks."
The judge has reportedly not yet weighed in on this note.
That could actually be legit, I have the same issue and got laid off over it early in the pandemic, though I was working in a kitchen over a screaming hot grill and my then employer mandated we wear N95s, which is like a worst case scenario for someone with that kind of issue.
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11 Aug 2021, 4:49 pm
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On Tuesday, NBC4 reporter Scott MacFarlane, one of the chief sources for updates on the Capitol rioter trials, reported that a Proud Boy arrested in February for allegedly breaking into the U.S. Capitol on January 6 cited autism as his inability to wear a face mask in compliance with court COVID-19 safety guidelines.
"Let me start with an update on the case of Daniel Goodwyn," said MacFarlane. "You'll recall last week I told you about Goodwyn. During a hearing, Goodwyn told the judge that Goodwyn would not wear a mask, wouldn't wear it in court, and wouldn't wear it when meeting with pretrial services ... the judge kicked back and said, wear the mask or I'll send U.S. Marshals with an arrest warrant. Goodwyn has provided a doctor's note from a former doctor, who says that he treated Goodwyn, Goodwyn appeared to be on the autism spectrum, and that people on the autism spectrum often have problems, have impositions caused by masks."
The judge has reportedly not yet weighed in on this note.
"Let me start with an update on the case of Daniel Goodwyn," said MacFarlane. "You'll recall last week I told you about Goodwyn. During a hearing, Goodwyn told the judge that Goodwyn would not wear a mask, wouldn't wear it in court, and wouldn't wear it when meeting with pretrial services ... the judge kicked back and said, wear the mask or I'll send U.S. Marshals with an arrest warrant. Goodwyn has provided a doctor's note from a former doctor, who says that he treated Goodwyn, Goodwyn appeared to be on the autism spectrum, and that people on the autism spectrum often have problems, have impositions caused by masks."
The judge has reportedly not yet weighed in on this note.
That could actually be legit, I have the same issue and got laid off over it early in the pandemic, though I was working in a kitchen over a screaming hot grill and my then employer mandated we wear N95s, which is like a worst case scenario for someone with that kind of issue.
If the twerp is capable of traveling to Washington DC and taking part in a coup attempt, then he is capable of wearing a mask. If he refuses, they should put him in a jail cell and continue the trial without him.
11 Aug 2021, 4:53 pm
kokopelli wrote:
If the twerp is capable of traveling to Washington DC and taking part in a coup attempt, then he is capable of wearing a mask. If he refuses, they should put him in a jail cell and continue the trial without him.
So, you don't think people accused but not convicted of crimes have any rights to medical accommodations at trial? Seems a bit harsh.
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11 Aug 2021, 4:55 pm
Dox47 wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
If the twerp is capable of traveling to Washington DC and taking part in a coup attempt, then he is capable of wearing a mask. If he refuses, they should put him in a jail cell and continue the trial without him.
So, you don't think people accused but not convicted of crimes have any rights to medical accommodations at trial? Seems a bit harsh._________________
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11 Aug 2021, 5:00 pm
Dox47 wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
If the twerp is capable of traveling to Washington DC and taking part in a coup attempt, then he is capable of wearing a mask. If he refuses, they should put him in a jail cell and continue the trial without him.
So, you don't think people accused but not convicted of crimes have any rights to medical accommodations at trial? Seems a bit harsh.
If he refuses the masks, then he has turned down the medical accomodations. The accused does not have the right to determine the rules under which the trial is held.
11 Aug 2021, 5:00 pm
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People needing real medical accommodations should receive them. People only claiming the need for medical accommodations should provide proof of that need before the requested accommodations are provided.
Just out of curiosity, how would one "prove" something like an autism related sensory issue?
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11 Aug 2021, 5:04 pm
kokopelli wrote:
If he refuses the masks, then he has turned down the medical accomodations. The accused does not have the right to determine the rules under which the trial is held.
Um, no, that's not how that works if the medical issue is a sensory issue involving facial coverings that constrict breathing. An accommodation to that would be something like an isolation box around the defendant at trial or the ability to participate via video link rather than in person, it's not "mask up or else".
You do realize that refusing an accommodation is the kind of thing that can lead to a mistrial on appeal if the defendant is convicted, right? Being vindictive could actually backfire and let this person walk.
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11 Aug 2021, 5:09 pm
Dox47 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
People needing real medical accommodations should receive them. People only claiming the need for medical accommodations should provide proof of that need before the requested accommodations are provided.
Just out of curiosity, how would one "prove" something like an autism related sensory issue?_________________
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11 Aug 2021, 5:10 pm
Dox47 wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
If he refuses the masks, then he has turned down the medical accomodations. The accused does not have the right to determine the rules under which the trial is held.
Um, no, that's not how that works if the medical issue is a sensory issue involving facial coverings that constrict breathing. An accommodation to that would be something like an isolation box around the defendant at trial or the ability to participate via video link rather than in person, it's not "mask up or else".
You do realize that refusing an accommodation is the kind of thing that can lead to a mistrial on appeal if the defendant is convicted, right? Being vindictive could actually backfire and let this person walk.
If a defendant cannot behave in court, then he needs to be removed.
11 Aug 2021, 5:24 pm
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By providing a sworn affidavit from an appropriately-trained and licensed mental-health professional who has physically examined and interviewed the defendant.
From the earlier post I was quoting from:
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Goodwyn has provided a doctor's note from a former doctor, who says that he treated Goodwyn, Goodwyn appeared to be on the autism spectrum, and that people on the autism spectrum often have problems, have impositions caused by masks.
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11 Aug 2021, 5:26 pm
kokopelli wrote:
If a defendant cannot behave in court, then he needs to be removed.
A medical issue is not "misbehaving in court". If an autistic person were on trial for something else and they kept rocking in their seat or otherwise stimming despite a judge's order not to, would you support jailing them for contempt?
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11 Aug 2021, 5:40 pm
Dox47 wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
If a defendant cannot behave in court, then he needs to be removed.
A medical issue is not "misbehaving in court". If an autistic person were on trial for something else and they kept rocking in their seat or otherwise stimming despite a judge's order not to, would you support jailing them for contempt?
If it is disruptive to the court or places others in risk, then certainly.
It sounds to me like he's nothing more than a little snowflake using "autism" as an excuse to misbehave and that is completely unacceptable.
From https://www.newsweek.com/judge-attorney-spar-over-capitol-rioters-refusal-wear-mask-explosive-hearing-1614383:
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In court filings, prosecutors said Goodwyn had multiple violations of the conditions of his release and that he challenged instruction from the PSA by "using word games, and becoming easily frustrated, angry and negative."
"The defendant's multiple violations appear to be centered primarily around one issue: the defendant's petulant and insolent behavior," prosecutors told the judge. "In lieu of complying with the Court's conditions, the defendant has flouted the conditions, making clear that he does not appreciate the privilege of pretrial release provided to him by the Court."
"The defendant's multiple violations appear to be centered primarily around one issue: the defendant's petulant and insolent behavior," prosecutors told the judge. "In lieu of complying with the Court's conditions, the defendant has flouted the conditions, making clear that he does not appreciate the privilege of pretrial release provided to him by the Court."
So he is a nothing more than a spoiled rotten brat who thinks he should be above the law because of his "autism". The sooner that he learns that he's nothing special and is bound by the same laws as the rest of us, the better off he will be.
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11 Aug 2021, 5:46 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-calls- ... 25447.html
And here's another reminder of why I hate Trump so much.
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