Being mindful of our specific news sources.
cyberdad wrote:
Well that is a seperate matter, the moderation of these platforms needs to be carefully scrutinised in the same way they demonetize youtubers for breaching their platform guidelines.
Or, you could allow free discourse and let people draw their own conclusions, since we don't know everything, and there's no telling when some new breakthrough will upend the entire scientific consensus on some previously thought to be bedrock assumptions.
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Dox47 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Well that is a seperate matter, the moderation of these platforms needs to be carefully scrutinised in the same way they demonetize youtubers for breaching their platform guidelines.
Or, you could allow free discourse and let people draw their own conclusions, since we don't know everything, and there's no telling when some new breakthrough will upend the entire scientific consensus on some previously thought to be bedrock assumptions.
Are you suggesting *discussions* rather than hardcore partisan debates?
Rather radical, don't you think?
[disingenuousness] Dox47 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Well that is a seperate matter, the moderation of these platforms needs to be carefully scrutinised in the same way they demonetize youtubers for breaching their platform guidelines.
Or, you could allow free discourse and let people draw their own conclusions, since we don't know everything, and there's no telling when some new breakthrough will upend the entire scientific consensus on some previously thought to be bedrock assumptions.
The problem here seems to be the use of social media to spread lies that panic a susceptible audience.
e.g. Hillary is evil or Britain will be swamped by illegals if they remain in the EU.
cyberdad wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
How is that different than social media companies, who are not scientists, deciding what is and is not factual, and suppressing information that doesn't conform to current orthodoxy, even as they're shown to have gotten it wrong over and over?
Well that is a seperate matter, the moderation of these platforms needs to be carefully scrutinised in the same way they demonetize youtubers for breaching their platform guidelines.
Is that really going to happen?
There are people (capitalists) who own big media corporations (CNN, FOX, ABC) who have no concern about the truth just their profits.
Mr Reynholm wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
How is that different than social media companies, who are not scientists, deciding what is and is not factual, and suppressing information that doesn't conform to current orthodoxy, even as they're shown to have gotten it wrong over and over?
Well that is a seperate matter, the moderation of these platforms needs to be carefully scrutinised in the same way they demonetize youtubers for breaching their platform guidelines.
Is that really going to happen?
There are people (capitalists) who own big media corporations (CNN, FOX, ABC) who have no concern about the truth just their profits.
twitter, facebook.
Dawd, I hate big business.
Mr Reynholm wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
How is that different than social media companies, who are not scientists, deciding what is and is not factual, and suppressing information that doesn't conform to current orthodoxy, even as they're shown to have gotten it wrong over and over?
Well that is a seperate matter, the moderation of these platforms needs to be carefully scrutinised in the same way they demonetize youtubers for breaching their platform guidelines.
Is that really going to happen?
There are people (capitalists) who own big media corporations (CNN, FOX, ABC) who have no concern about the truth just their profits.
Yes, that's a valid point. Big media corporations are always susceptible to government interference. However we can ascertain some issues need to be policed online that push the bounds of credibility
cyberdad wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
How is that different than social media companies, who are not scientists, deciding what is and is not factual, and suppressing information that doesn't conform to current orthodoxy, even as they're shown to have gotten it wrong over and over?
Well that is a seperate matter, the moderation of these platforms needs to be carefully scrutinised in the same way they demonetize youtubers for breaching their platform guidelines.
Is that really going to happen?
There are people (capitalists) who own big media corporations (CNN, FOX, ABC) who have no concern about the truth just their profits.
Yes, that's a valid point. Big media corporations are always susceptible to government interference. However we can ascertain some issues need to be policed online that push the bounds of credibility
Who checks the Fact Checkers?
I did and it was s**t. cant remember which one, but it was a popular one.
it .said a bunch of stuff that is way better than fox news is actually worse than fox news.
The weirdest part is that that they want people to think that knowing how to arrive at the right fact-checker isbeing a critical thinker or even 'woke'.
The_Znof wrote:
I
The weirdest part is that that they want people to think that knowing how to arrive at the right fact-checker isbeing a critical thinker or even 'woke'.
The weirdest part is that that they want people to think that knowing how to arrive at the right fact-checker isbeing a critical thinker or even 'woke'.
The ultimate fact check? I guess the buck stops at us in the end. Our money pays the salaries of news companies.
Quote:
Only during a Democratic administration would a major newsroom gloss over readily available evidence to “fact-check” Gold Star families incorrectly.
This is exactly what USA Today did this week, and it is every bit as embarrassing as it sounds.
President Joe Biden embarrassed himself last weekend during the dignified transfer of the 13 U.S. troops killed in the Afghanistan withdrawal. The president checked his watch not once, not twice, but at least three times during the ceremony — because he apparently had somewhere more important to be than the event marking the return of the U.S. service members killed under his disastrous mismanagement.
Biden wasn’t even discreet about it.
There are photos of the president checking his watch during the ceremony. There are videos. Most upsetting of all is that the president’s lack of discretion and taste did not go unnoticed by grieving family members, some of whom complained to the press about the president’s behavior.
<...>
So, what does USA Today do? It publishes a fact-check claiming Biden did not repeatedly check the time during the ceremony. Apparently, those videos are simply wrong. Also, those Gold Star families who complained to the press probably don’t know what they’re talking about.
“Fact check: Biden honored service members killed in Kabul, checked watch only after ceremony,” read the original USA Today headline.
<...>
The fact-check initially concluded: “Based on our research, we rate PARTLY FALSE the claim that Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Biden checked his watch. The pictures are real, but they don't accurately summarize the two events. The way Biden honored the 11 caskets presented at Dover Air Force Base, with a hand over his heart, was similar to how Trump paid respects to fallen service members during his presidency. Biden checked his watch, but he did so after the ceremony had ended.”
<...>
“This story was updated Sept. 2 to note that Biden checked his watch multiple times at the dignified transfer event, including during the ceremony itself,” read an editor's note affixed to the story.
Amazingly, it added, “The rating on this claim has been changed from partly false to missing context.”
Missing context? What missing context? The claim is that Biden checked his watch during the ceremony. USA Today itself conceded this happened. Yet it still can't bring itself to give a harsher rating than "missing context" to its botched, since-amended fact-check?
Just incredible stuff from a member of that supposed bulwark of our democracy. Stupidity or malevolence? I’ll let you decide.
This is exactly what USA Today did this week, and it is every bit as embarrassing as it sounds.
President Joe Biden embarrassed himself last weekend during the dignified transfer of the 13 U.S. troops killed in the Afghanistan withdrawal. The president checked his watch not once, not twice, but at least three times during the ceremony — because he apparently had somewhere more important to be than the event marking the return of the U.S. service members killed under his disastrous mismanagement.
Biden wasn’t even discreet about it.
There are photos of the president checking his watch during the ceremony. There are videos. Most upsetting of all is that the president’s lack of discretion and taste did not go unnoticed by grieving family members, some of whom complained to the press about the president’s behavior.
<...>
So, what does USA Today do? It publishes a fact-check claiming Biden did not repeatedly check the time during the ceremony. Apparently, those videos are simply wrong. Also, those Gold Star families who complained to the press probably don’t know what they’re talking about.
“Fact check: Biden honored service members killed in Kabul, checked watch only after ceremony,” read the original USA Today headline.
<...>
The fact-check initially concluded: “Based on our research, we rate PARTLY FALSE the claim that Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Biden checked his watch. The pictures are real, but they don't accurately summarize the two events. The way Biden honored the 11 caskets presented at Dover Air Force Base, with a hand over his heart, was similar to how Trump paid respects to fallen service members during his presidency. Biden checked his watch, but he did so after the ceremony had ended.”
<...>
“This story was updated Sept. 2 to note that Biden checked his watch multiple times at the dignified transfer event, including during the ceremony itself,” read an editor's note affixed to the story.
Amazingly, it added, “The rating on this claim has been changed from partly false to missing context.”
Missing context? What missing context? The claim is that Biden checked his watch during the ceremony. USA Today itself conceded this happened. Yet it still can't bring itself to give a harsher rating than "missing context" to its botched, since-amended fact-check?
Just incredible stuff from a member of that supposed bulwark of our democracy. Stupidity or malevolence? I’ll let you decide.
Source: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/usa-today-whiffs-hard-on-fact-check-of-bidens-shameful-impatience
"Fact check" under discussion:
Original: https://web.archive.org/web/20210901185201/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/01/fact-check-biden-checked-watch-after-ceremony-dover-air-force-base/5663427001/
Revised: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/01/fact-check-biden-checked-watch-after-ceremony-dover-air-force-base/5663427001/
cyberdad wrote:
The_Znof wrote:
I
The weirdest part is that that they want people to think that knowing how to arrive at the right fact-checker isbeing a critical thinker or even 'woke'.
The weirdest part is that that they want people to think that knowing how to arrive at the right fact-checker isbeing a critical thinker or even 'woke'.
The ultimate fact check? I guess the buck stops at us in the end. Our money pays the salaries of news companies.
you pay the pooper s-cooper
The_Znof wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The_Znof wrote:
I
The weirdest part is that that they want people to think that knowing how to arrive at the right fact-checker isbeing a critical thinker or even 'woke'.
The weirdest part is that that they want people to think that knowing how to arrive at the right fact-checker isbeing a critical thinker or even 'woke'.
The ultimate fact check? I guess the buck stops at us in the end. Our money pays the salaries of news companies.
you pay the pooper s-cooper

It's like politics. Our money pays political parties. They put forward leaders on our behalf
We pay news companies. They put forward journalists on our behalf.
Somewhere out there...people like Fox news and pay subscription so keep people like Tucker Carlson on the air-waves.
Brictoria wrote:
Quote:
Only during a Democratic administration would a major newsroom gloss over readily available evidence to “fact-check” Gold Star families incorrectly.
This is exactly what USA Today did this week, and it is every bit as embarrassing as it sounds.
President Joe Biden embarrassed himself last weekend during the dignified transfer of the 13 U.S. troops killed in the Afghanistan withdrawal. The president checked his watch not once, not twice, but at least three times during the ceremony — because he apparently had somewhere more important to be than the event marking the return of the U.S. service members killed under his disastrous mismanagement.
Biden wasn’t even discreet about it.
There are photos of the president checking his watch during the ceremony. There are videos. Most upsetting of all is that the president’s lack of discretion and taste did not go unnoticed by grieving family members, some of whom complained to the press about the president’s behavior.
<...>
So, what does USA Today do? It publishes a fact-check claiming Biden did not repeatedly check the time during the ceremony. Apparently, those videos are simply wrong. Also, those Gold Star families who complained to the press probably don’t know what they’re talking about.
“Fact check: Biden honored service members killed in Kabul, checked watch only after ceremony,” read the original USA Today headline.
<...>
The fact-check initially concluded: “Based on our research, we rate PARTLY FALSE the claim that Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Biden checked his watch. The pictures are real, but they don't accurately summarize the two events. The way Biden honored the 11 caskets presented at Dover Air Force Base, with a hand over his heart, was similar to how Trump paid respects to fallen service members during his presidency. Biden checked his watch, but he did so after the ceremony had ended.”
<...>
“This story was updated Sept. 2 to note that Biden checked his watch multiple times at the dignified transfer event, including during the ceremony itself,” read an editor's note affixed to the story.
Amazingly, it added, “The rating on this claim has been changed from partly false to missing context.”
Missing context? What missing context? The claim is that Biden checked his watch during the ceremony. USA Today itself conceded this happened. Yet it still can't bring itself to give a harsher rating than "missing context" to its botched, since-amended fact-check?
Just incredible stuff from a member of that supposed bulwark of our democracy. Stupidity or malevolence? I’ll let you decide.
This is exactly what USA Today did this week, and it is every bit as embarrassing as it sounds.
President Joe Biden embarrassed himself last weekend during the dignified transfer of the 13 U.S. troops killed in the Afghanistan withdrawal. The president checked his watch not once, not twice, but at least three times during the ceremony — because he apparently had somewhere more important to be than the event marking the return of the U.S. service members killed under his disastrous mismanagement.
Biden wasn’t even discreet about it.
There are photos of the president checking his watch during the ceremony. There are videos. Most upsetting of all is that the president’s lack of discretion and taste did not go unnoticed by grieving family members, some of whom complained to the press about the president’s behavior.
<...>
So, what does USA Today do? It publishes a fact-check claiming Biden did not repeatedly check the time during the ceremony. Apparently, those videos are simply wrong. Also, those Gold Star families who complained to the press probably don’t know what they’re talking about.
“Fact check: Biden honored service members killed in Kabul, checked watch only after ceremony,” read the original USA Today headline.
<...>
The fact-check initially concluded: “Based on our research, we rate PARTLY FALSE the claim that Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Biden checked his watch. The pictures are real, but they don't accurately summarize the two events. The way Biden honored the 11 caskets presented at Dover Air Force Base, with a hand over his heart, was similar to how Trump paid respects to fallen service members during his presidency. Biden checked his watch, but he did so after the ceremony had ended.”
<...>
“This story was updated Sept. 2 to note that Biden checked his watch multiple times at the dignified transfer event, including during the ceremony itself,” read an editor's note affixed to the story.
Amazingly, it added, “The rating on this claim has been changed from partly false to missing context.”
Missing context? What missing context? The claim is that Biden checked his watch during the ceremony. USA Today itself conceded this happened. Yet it still can't bring itself to give a harsher rating than "missing context" to its botched, since-amended fact-check?
Just incredible stuff from a member of that supposed bulwark of our democracy. Stupidity or malevolence? I’ll let you decide.
Source: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/usa-today-whiffs-hard-on-fact-check-of-bidens-shameful-impatience
"Fact check" under discussion:
Original: https://web.archive.org/web/20210901185201/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/01/fact-check-biden-checked-watch-after-ceremony-dover-air-force-base/5663427001/
Revised: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/01/fact-check-biden-checked-watch-after-ceremony-dover-air-force-base/5663427001/
The more I learn about Biden, the less compassionate he seems.
Is this his character or the sign of his dementia?
At this stage, I am not sure.
BTW,
The polls:
The majority of Amerians agree with the Afghan exit.
The majority of Amerians believe Biden did a bad job.
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Quote:
Only during a Democratic administration would a major newsroom gloss over readily available evidence to “fact-check” Gold Star families incorrectly.
This is exactly what USA Today did this week, and it is every bit as embarrassing as it sounds.
President Joe Biden embarrassed himself last weekend during the dignified transfer of the 13 U.S. troops killed in the Afghanistan withdrawal. The president checked his watch not once, not twice, but at least three times during the ceremony — because he apparently had somewhere more important to be than the event marking the return of the U.S. service members killed under his disastrous mismanagement.
Biden wasn’t even discreet about it.
There are photos of the president checking his watch during the ceremony. There are videos. Most upsetting of all is that the president’s lack of discretion and taste did not go unnoticed by grieving family members, some of whom complained to the press about the president’s behavior.
<...>
So, what does USA Today do? It publishes a fact-check claiming Biden did not repeatedly check the time during the ceremony. Apparently, those videos are simply wrong. Also, those Gold Star families who complained to the press probably don’t know what they’re talking about.
“Fact check: Biden honored service members killed in Kabul, checked watch only after ceremony,” read the original USA Today headline.
<...>
The fact-check initially concluded: “Based on our research, we rate PARTLY FALSE the claim that Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Biden checked his watch. The pictures are real, but they don't accurately summarize the two events. The way Biden honored the 11 caskets presented at Dover Air Force Base, with a hand over his heart, was similar to how Trump paid respects to fallen service members during his presidency. Biden checked his watch, but he did so after the ceremony had ended.”
<...>
“This story was updated Sept. 2 to note that Biden checked his watch multiple times at the dignified transfer event, including during the ceremony itself,” read an editor's note affixed to the story.
Amazingly, it added, “The rating on this claim has been changed from partly false to missing context.”
Missing context? What missing context? The claim is that Biden checked his watch during the ceremony. USA Today itself conceded this happened. Yet it still can't bring itself to give a harsher rating than "missing context" to its botched, since-amended fact-check?
Just incredible stuff from a member of that supposed bulwark of our democracy. Stupidity or malevolence? I’ll let you decide.
This is exactly what USA Today did this week, and it is every bit as embarrassing as it sounds.
President Joe Biden embarrassed himself last weekend during the dignified transfer of the 13 U.S. troops killed in the Afghanistan withdrawal. The president checked his watch not once, not twice, but at least three times during the ceremony — because he apparently had somewhere more important to be than the event marking the return of the U.S. service members killed under his disastrous mismanagement.
Biden wasn’t even discreet about it.
There are photos of the president checking his watch during the ceremony. There are videos. Most upsetting of all is that the president’s lack of discretion and taste did not go unnoticed by grieving family members, some of whom complained to the press about the president’s behavior.
<...>
So, what does USA Today do? It publishes a fact-check claiming Biden did not repeatedly check the time during the ceremony. Apparently, those videos are simply wrong. Also, those Gold Star families who complained to the press probably don’t know what they’re talking about.
“Fact check: Biden honored service members killed in Kabul, checked watch only after ceremony,” read the original USA Today headline.
<...>
The fact-check initially concluded: “Based on our research, we rate PARTLY FALSE the claim that Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Biden checked his watch. The pictures are real, but they don't accurately summarize the two events. The way Biden honored the 11 caskets presented at Dover Air Force Base, with a hand over his heart, was similar to how Trump paid respects to fallen service members during his presidency. Biden checked his watch, but he did so after the ceremony had ended.”
<...>
“This story was updated Sept. 2 to note that Biden checked his watch multiple times at the dignified transfer event, including during the ceremony itself,” read an editor's note affixed to the story.
Amazingly, it added, “The rating on this claim has been changed from partly false to missing context.”
Missing context? What missing context? The claim is that Biden checked his watch during the ceremony. USA Today itself conceded this happened. Yet it still can't bring itself to give a harsher rating than "missing context" to its botched, since-amended fact-check?
Just incredible stuff from a member of that supposed bulwark of our democracy. Stupidity or malevolence? I’ll let you decide.
Source: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/usa-today-whiffs-hard-on-fact-check-of-bidens-shameful-impatience
"Fact check" under discussion:
Original: https://web.archive.org/web/20210901185201/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/01/fact-check-biden-checked-watch-after-ceremony-dover-air-force-base/5663427001/
Revised: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/01/fact-check-biden-checked-watch-after-ceremony-dover-air-force-base/5663427001/
The more I learn about Biden, the less compassionate he seems.
Is this his character or the sign of his dementia?
At this stage, I am not sure.
BTW,
The polls:
The majority of Amerians agree with the Afghan exit.
The majority of Amerians believe Biden did a bad job.
Remember to forgo the habit of looking at your watch is not compassion. It's self-control and good manners. This kind of mistake is a silly thing to obsess over, but everyone always does. I said the same thing when people obsessed over similar lapses by Trump. There are bigger issues to spend energy on.
Diverting from plans to spend time with someone who is suffering is compassion. There are numerous examples of Biden doing that, taking the time to actually talk with and provide support to someone in need. I am under the impression he tries to do it away from the cameras.
I'm tired of the charge he has dementia. If he does, then I do. Seriously. Aging has its side effects, but not all those side effects are dementia.
The man is not perfect. Withdrawing from Afghanistan was destined to be messy, and I can see why people believe it was handled poorly. I honestly don't have the expertise to know for sure, but I accept the conclusion he should have done better. Still, the US military managed the largest evacuation ever. 120,000 people is not to be scoffed at. Negotiations continue for the rest, but it will never be all-encompassing. Too many lone Taliban factions with their own ideas. I'll let the experts do the postmortem, and read along as they present it. It will be a while before any final assessment can be thoughtfully and accurately made, however.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
DW_a_mom wrote:
Remember to forgo the habit of looking at your watch is not compassion. It's self-control and good manners. This kind of mistake is a silly thing to obsess over, but everyone always does. I said the same thing when people obsessed over similar lapses by Trump. There are bigger issues to spend energy on.
I don't particularly care that Biden apparently has a terrible sense for optics, but does it not concern you that the "fact checker" blatantly lied and got caught? The guy has been all over Twitter making excuses too, it's pretty embarrassing.
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Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer.
- Rick Sanchez
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Quote:
Only during a Democratic administration would a major newsroom gloss over readily available evidence to “fact-check” Gold Star families incorrectly.
This is exactly what USA Today did this week, and it is every bit as embarrassing as it sounds.
President Joe Biden embarrassed himself last weekend during the dignified transfer of the 13 U.S. troops killed in the Afghanistan withdrawal. The president checked his watch not once, not twice, but at least three times during the ceremony — because he apparently had somewhere more important to be than the event marking the return of the U.S. service members killed under his disastrous mismanagement.
Biden wasn’t even discreet about it.
There are photos of the president checking his watch during the ceremony. There are videos. Most upsetting of all is that the president’s lack of discretion and taste did not go unnoticed by grieving family members, some of whom complained to the press about the president’s behavior.
<...>
So, what does USA Today do? It publishes a fact-check claiming Biden did not repeatedly check the time during the ceremony. Apparently, those videos are simply wrong. Also, those Gold Star families who complained to the press probably don’t know what they’re talking about.
“Fact check: Biden honored service members killed in Kabul, checked watch only after ceremony,” read the original USA Today headline.
<...>
The fact-check initially concluded: “Based on our research, we rate PARTLY FALSE the claim that Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Biden checked his watch. The pictures are real, but they don't accurately summarize the two events. The way Biden honored the 11 caskets presented at Dover Air Force Base, with a hand over his heart, was similar to how Trump paid respects to fallen service members during his presidency. Biden checked his watch, but he did so after the ceremony had ended.”
<...>
“This story was updated Sept. 2 to note that Biden checked his watch multiple times at the dignified transfer event, including during the ceremony itself,” read an editor's note affixed to the story.
Amazingly, it added, “The rating on this claim has been changed from partly false to missing context.”
Missing context? What missing context? The claim is that Biden checked his watch during the ceremony. USA Today itself conceded this happened. Yet it still can't bring itself to give a harsher rating than "missing context" to its botched, since-amended fact-check?
Just incredible stuff from a member of that supposed bulwark of our democracy. Stupidity or malevolence? I’ll let you decide.
This is exactly what USA Today did this week, and it is every bit as embarrassing as it sounds.
President Joe Biden embarrassed himself last weekend during the dignified transfer of the 13 U.S. troops killed in the Afghanistan withdrawal. The president checked his watch not once, not twice, but at least three times during the ceremony — because he apparently had somewhere more important to be than the event marking the return of the U.S. service members killed under his disastrous mismanagement.
Biden wasn’t even discreet about it.
There are photos of the president checking his watch during the ceremony. There are videos. Most upsetting of all is that the president’s lack of discretion and taste did not go unnoticed by grieving family members, some of whom complained to the press about the president’s behavior.
<...>
So, what does USA Today do? It publishes a fact-check claiming Biden did not repeatedly check the time during the ceremony. Apparently, those videos are simply wrong. Also, those Gold Star families who complained to the press probably don’t know what they’re talking about.
“Fact check: Biden honored service members killed in Kabul, checked watch only after ceremony,” read the original USA Today headline.
<...>
The fact-check initially concluded: “Based on our research, we rate PARTLY FALSE the claim that Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Biden checked his watch. The pictures are real, but they don't accurately summarize the two events. The way Biden honored the 11 caskets presented at Dover Air Force Base, with a hand over his heart, was similar to how Trump paid respects to fallen service members during his presidency. Biden checked his watch, but he did so after the ceremony had ended.”
<...>
“This story was updated Sept. 2 to note that Biden checked his watch multiple times at the dignified transfer event, including during the ceremony itself,” read an editor's note affixed to the story.
Amazingly, it added, “The rating on this claim has been changed from partly false to missing context.”
Missing context? What missing context? The claim is that Biden checked his watch during the ceremony. USA Today itself conceded this happened. Yet it still can't bring itself to give a harsher rating than "missing context" to its botched, since-amended fact-check?
Just incredible stuff from a member of that supposed bulwark of our democracy. Stupidity or malevolence? I’ll let you decide.
Source: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/usa-today-whiffs-hard-on-fact-check-of-bidens-shameful-impatience
"Fact check" under discussion:
Original: https://web.archive.org/web/20210901185201/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/01/fact-check-biden-checked-watch-after-ceremony-dover-air-force-base/5663427001/
Revised: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/01/fact-check-biden-checked-watch-after-ceremony-dover-air-force-base/5663427001/
The more I learn about Biden, the less compassionate he seems.
Is this his character or the sign of his dementia?
At this stage, I am not sure.
BTW,
The polls:
The majority of Amerians agree with the Afghan exit.
The majority of Amerians believe Biden did a bad job.
Remember to forgo the habit of looking at your watch is not compassion. It's self-control and good manners. This kind of mistake is a silly thing to obsess over, but everyone always does. I said the same thing when people obsessed over similar lapses by Trump. There are bigger issues to spend energy on.
"Oh, ok."
So, you think I was only referring to him looking at his watch?
"Interesting."
Yes, both sides of the political divide nitpick on silly things.
Very non-partisan of you to have pointed that out.
DW_a_mom wrote:
Diverting from plans to spend time with someone who is suffering is compassion. There are numerous examples of Biden doing that, taking the time to actually talk with and provide support to someone in need. I am under the impression he tries to do it away from the cameras.
Then there is the time he went to Camp David for a break, while the Afghani tragedy unfolded.
When Scott Morrison went on holiday to Hawaii during the bushfire disaster that happened here in Australia, he was roundly castigated and lost a lot of political "bark" also.
DW_a_mom wrote:
I'm tired of the charge he has dementia. If he does, then I do. Seriously. Aging has its side effects, but not all those side effects are dementia.
He clearly isn't the man he used to be.
He even gets members of his own family and members of the "ministry" wrong, forgets a lot of events and his own policies, and is constantly confused.
Have you been listening to what comes out of his mouth, from time to time?
There would be a lot on youtube if you want me to drag them up.
This is the problem when someone only watches media that is sympathetic to one's brand of ideology.
The number of times I have seen unflattering information, from conservative sources, is staggering, just the way the progressive-leaning media in America showed Trump in a poor light.
I use my intellectual capacity, experience and objectivity to sort out the wheat from the BS, btw.
DW_a_mom wrote:
The man is not perfect. Withdrawing from Afghanistan was destined to be messy, and I can see why people believe it was handled poorly. I honestly don't have the expertise to know for sure, but I accept the conclusion he should have done better.
New evidence has come to hand where he spoke to the then Afghanistan leader urging him to lie to the public about how capable the Afghan military was in countering the Taliban.
It has been mentioned that this was to prop Biden up politically.
I have no reason to think differently, at this stage.
DW_a_mom wrote:
Still, the US military managed the largest evacuation ever. 120,000 people is not to be scoffed at. Negotiations continue for the rest, but it will never be all-encompassing. Too many lone Taliban factions with their own ideas. I'll let the experts do the postmortem, and read along as they present it. It will be a while before any final assessment can be thoughtfully and accurately made, however.
They left billions of assets behind, including failsafe ways to identify those who were working for the allies.
Would Trump have done an equally bad job?
Possibly, but we will never know.
Personally, I don't think so.
BTW, This is coming from a skunk who is not a fan of Trump.
