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30 Jan 2022, 6:21 pm

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Reading through the thread and I didn't realize that others here in the Ottawa area (IsabellaLinton) have had a situation more rough than I had to deal with, or what others can comprehend. I was deemed an essential worker from the beginning, but had a then 7 month old at the beginning of the pandemic with my wife at home watching him while collecting EI maternity benefits. She returned to work as she was essential to and the child went to daycare. Unfortunately my wife couldn't get her driver's license thanks to Ontario government lockdown restrictions for at least a year and this resulted in me driving her 20 km from our house twice a day and back. My workplace in comparison is only 4 km away from home. I dealt with this frustration for a year with what felt like no end in sight. Thankfully, she was able to get her g2 in Hawkesbury as the Ottawa locations were full once the system opened up again.

We both got vaccinated as per her job requirements. She was 4 months pregnant when fully vaccinated. She eventually had heart palpitations at 6 months and had to be given medication to get through the pregnancy. The child arrived a few days ago. Throughout the early part of this new omicron wave, I started seeing the media spew some massive loads of BS about pregnant women should get the booster and it will be safe. My wife was never pushed due to the condition she developed and the hospital staff never brought it up once on her periodic visits.

I have also seen our own doctors more or less refuse us in person visits. I have over the phone consultations about an ulcer in my stomach that likely got worse due to the stress of all the driving around and watching my credit rating slowly start to suffer due to the risingn gas costs as well as my wife taking unpaid time off when she got palpitations.
Again, I start seeing BS in the media about how much money Canadians saved. There is my frustration with the provincial level of politics and govenrment

Now inflation also got really high and federal elections back in September showed that noone really cared about affordability. There didn't seem to be any action plan. Even worse was Trudeau saying he doesn't think about monetary policy. We also get a new holiday meant to remember the indigenous suffering and our PM spends the day out on holiday rather than do what the media was lecturing us about on how to spend the day off (remembering the residential school victims). Then we go through October and now vaccination is forced on people so to speak. My wife develops her condition and now I am legit worried that when the 3rd dose is mandated that her ei benefits will be cutoff if she can't get proof of exemption.

Now to the truckers. It was already a stupid idea for the provinces to mandate hospital staff to get vaccinated. Ontario and Quebec eventually started asking those hospital staff to work sick with Omicron or Covid 19. Now truckers get the mandate. I think nothing of it at first. 10% of truckers not vaccinated seems small. Then the American media presents the fact that almost 60% of their truckers aren't vaccinated. That tells me any food shortage we see in Canada (especially remote northern communities) will be more severe than predicted at some point. This tells me our prime minister is stupid, just doesn't care, or both. Or quite possibly, he does in fact want to be a dictator.

Tl Dr. Version.
With all the frustration from these lockdown restrictions causing some health problems for me and my wife, the rising costs of everything despite not getting salary increases to make up for the costs, and now mandates that seem to make the healthcare and transport industries worse, I can say I don't blame anyone for wanting to protest.


Both countries have the same vaccine requirements for cross border travel, including truckers. Why should Canada allow unvaccinated truckers in while the USA doesn't extend that to Canadians?

Why should either country loosen up mandates when hospitals are still jammed with unvaccinated covid patients? Why should Canada bear the cost of an unvaccinated American trucker getting sick here and having to take up space in a Canadian hospital?


We all know the states are doing that. I don't see the effect being quite as severe for them as us due to us having to rely on them for food more than they need from us.

Let me repeat... 60% of vaccinated truckers in the states means that our food shortage could potentially be more severe than predicted.

And as for our hospitals being overwhelmed,
I don't think our provinces clearly give a flying you know what about covid at this point if our governments here are now asking the hospital staff to work sick and testing positive with covid anyway. But they sure are quick to deflect blame on unvaccinated and start restricting people from buying affordable groceries from Costco or Walmart. These governments sure care alright.


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30 Jan 2022, 6:31 pm

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Congratulations on the birth of your new baby, aspiemike! Sending best wishes for your little family in this challenging time.

I don't live in the Ottawa area. I co-own a property in the region but it's like a second home to me rather than my primary residence. I grew up around Prince Edward County. I'm in Montreal / Gatineau fairly often too. A close friend works at Parliament Hill in senior admin with the PCO (Privy Council), as an executive advisor to all PMs regardless of party. I also have a friend in Doctoral Epidemiology studies, researching Covid transmission and Public Health services in Indigenous communities. My boyfriend is an advisor to Indigenous mental health programs in Vancouver.

Although I don't live near Ottawa full time, I feel l have a balanced view of what's going on with the protest, on many levels. I agree with your sentiment about what's happening here, and the growing sense of frustration we all feel with the Trudeau administration and its guidance (or lack thereof) these past years.

It's a pity that being vaccinated brings no relief from any mandate. Despite being vaxxed we still can't go to restaurants or movies or stores. We still need to mask (or double mask), and isolate, and act like every person we encounter is a potential threat to our lives. All I wish is that vaccinated people were shown respect with a return of basic freedoms, instead of being treated just as poorly as anti-vaxx extremists who get more screen time (and arguably freedom) than regular citizens like you or me, who play by the rules no matter how irrational they become.

Trudeau's decision to vacation on the first National Day for Truth and Reconciliation speaks volumes. I can't go to Ottawa to my summer home because of travel restrictions but he can present himself as a hypocrite to the world, showing the same disdain to Indigenous communities as he does to the rest of his Canadian plebes.

It's shameful.


Trudeau just wants power. The media just washes over this fact. I got to the point where I stopped caring about some of these restrictions and went visiting family anyway. But man, the people who argued with me about Trudeau before have started to open their eyes to his nonsense now.

Ps... thank you for the congrats. If you can find your way to Ottawa area, Gatineau Park is always nice place to go. Provided any mandates haven't been placed to go hiking yet


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30 Jan 2022, 6:34 pm

If Ontario didn't opt itself into a nursing shortage we wouldn't have the crisis we've been enduring.

Nursing shortages:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... -bill-124/

https://www.ona.org/about-bill-124/


IEN red tape:

https://www.chch.com/healthcare-workers ... work-here/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.5826193


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30 Jan 2022, 8:24 pm

Rumor the ministry is now looking at interprovincial mandate for the truckers.



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30 Jan 2022, 8:29 pm




This interview with Mike Millian, president of the Private Motor Truck Council of Canada, answers literally every question posed in this thread. I encourage everyone who is contributing to the thread to check it out.

txfz1 - I couldn't leave my own neighbourhood despite being fully vaxxed, so I'm not surprised at all if they propose interprovincial restrictions.


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30 Jan 2022, 8:40 pm

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No, there numbers of the southern border crossings are facts and are breaking records.


Just as they've been trending for years. This is nothing new. It's expected - especially with political unrest and climate change. No matter who's in the White House the USA has this problem and has to figure out how to deal with it.

The nonsense BS part is pretending like the border doesn't exist since a Democratic President is in office. That's BS. The border is still there and so are all the border guards - something like 90% of American border guards are stationed on the Southern border vs. Northern and they didn't all get laid off and sent home when Joe took office. To suggest they walked off the job and opened the border is pure horsepoop.

Yup, the southern border is not wide open.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... e-trying-/


Politifact failed to mention the courts ruled for Biden to reinstate the Trump RIM policy. There is now evidence Biden admin is still moving illegals into the country by disobeying the court order. Dec was a record number almost as big as last July which was the largest in 21 years. These are apprehensions nobody knows how many crossed illegally.

What evidence?
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/tweet ... rder-data/


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aspiemike wrote:
Reading through the thread and I didn't realize that others here in the Ottawa area (IsabellaLinton) have had a situation more rough than I had to deal with, or what others can comprehend. I was deemed an essential worker from the beginning, but had a then 7 month old at the beginning of the pandemic with my wife at home watching him while collecting EI maternity benefits. She returned to work as she was essential to and the child went to daycare. Unfortunately my wife couldn't get her driver's license thanks to Ontario government lockdown restrictions for at least a year and this resulted in me driving her 20 km from our house twice a day and back. My workplace in comparison is only 4 km away from home. I dealt with this frustration for a year with what felt like no end in sight. Thankfully, she was able to get her g2 in Hawkesbury as the Ottawa locations were full once the system opened up again.

We both got vaccinated as per her job requirements. She was 4 months pregnant when fully vaccinated. She eventually had heart palpitations at 6 months and had to be given medication to get through the pregnancy. The child arrived a few days ago. Throughout the early part of this new omicron wave, I started seeing the media spew some massive loads of BS about pregnant women should get the booster and it will be safe. My wife was never pushed due to the condition she developed and the hospital staff never brought it up once on her periodic visits.

I have also seen our own doctors more or less refuse us in person visits. I have over the phone consultations about an ulcer in my stomach that likely got worse due to the stress of all the driving around and watching my credit rating slowly start to suffer due to the risingn gas costs as well as my wife taking unpaid time off when she got palpitations.
Again, I start seeing BS in the media about how much money Canadians saved. There is my frustration with the provincial level of politics and govenrment

Now inflation also got really high and federal elections back in September showed that noone really cared about affordability. There didn't seem to be any action plan. Even worse was Trudeau saying he doesn't think about monetary policy. We also get a new holiday meant to remember the indigenous suffering and our PM spends the day out on holiday rather than do what the media was lecturing us about on how to spend the day off (remembering the residential school victims). Then we go through October and now vaccination is forced on people so to speak. My wife develops her condition and now I am legit worried that when the 3rd dose is mandated that her ei benefits will be cutoff if she can't get proof of exemption.

Now to the truckers. It was already a stupid idea for the provinces to mandate hospital staff to get vaccinated. Ontario and Quebec eventually started asking those hospital staff to work sick with Omicron or Covid 19. Now truckers get the mandate. I think nothing of it at first. 10% of truckers not vaccinated seems small. Then the American media presents the fact that almost 60% of their truckers aren't vaccinated. That tells me any food shortage we see in Canada (especially remote northern communities) will be more severe than predicted at some point. This tells me our prime minister is stupid, just doesn't care, or both. Or quite possibly, he does in fact want to be a dictator.

Tl Dr. Version.
With all the frustration from these lockdown restrictions causing some health problems for me and my wife, the rising costs of everything despite not getting salary increases to make up for the costs, and now mandates that seem to make the healthcare and transport industries worse, I can say I don't blame anyone for wanting to protest.


Both countries have the same vaccine requirements for cross border travel, including truckers. Why should Canada allow unvaccinated truckers in while the USA doesn't extend that to Canadians?

Why should either country loosen up mandates when hospitals are still jammed with unvaccinated covid patients? Why should Canada bear the cost of an unvaccinated American trucker getting sick here and having to take up space in a Canadian hospital?


We all know the states are doing that. I don't see the effect being quite as severe for them as us due to us having to rely on them for food more than they need from us.

Let me repeat... 60% of vaccinated truckers in the states means that our food shortage could potentially be more severe than predicted.

And as for our hospitals being overwhelmed,
I don't think our provinces clearly give a flying you know what about covid at this point if our governments here are now asking the hospital staff to work sick and testing positive with covid anyway. But they sure are quick to deflect blame on unvaccinated and start restricting people from buying affordable groceries from Costco or Walmart. These governments sure care alright.


What percent of American truckers do you think cross the Canadian border? I'm pretty sure they can cover the requirements with even just 40% of their workforce. The USA is a large country with a lot of truckers - and Canada has 1/10th the population.. so Maybe 10% of their truckers ever even need to cross the border.

I dunno about where you live, but BC still cares about covid and we're trying not to jam up hospitals with people unnecessarily - hence promoting vaccination so as to avoid all that.

You think if Ontario had a choice they'd have covid-sick healthcare workers on shift? I guarantee you it's not their first choice - it's just doing what they have to do because they're understaffed and healthcare workers keep getting exposed to super sick covid patients so they're catching covid. All the more reason for the general population to get vaccinated and avoid hospitalization out of respect for doctors & nurses' health.


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30 Jan 2022, 9:00 pm

Misslizard wrote:
txfz1 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
txfz1 wrote:
No, there numbers of the southern border crossings are facts and are breaking records.


Just as they've been trending for years. This is nothing new. It's expected - especially with political unrest and climate change. No matter who's in the White House the USA has this problem and has to figure out how to deal with it.

The nonsense BS part is pretending like the border doesn't exist since a Democratic President is in office. That's BS. The border is still there and so are all the border guards - something like 90% of American border guards are stationed on the Southern border vs. Northern and they didn't all get laid off and sent home when Joe took office. To suggest they walked off the job and opened the border is pure horsepoop.

Yup, the southern border is not wide open.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... e-trying-/


Politifact failed to mention the courts ruled for Biden to reinstate the Trump RIM policy. There is now evidence Biden admin is still moving illegals into the country by disobeying the court order. Dec was a record number almost as big as last July which was the largest in 21 years. These are apprehensions nobody knows how many crossed illegally.

What evidence?
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/tweet ... rder-data/


https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-december-2021-monthly-operational-update

I don’t trust any factchecking site today.



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30 Jan 2022, 9:22 pm

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/two-former-o ... -1.5593166

I forgot to mention the two Ontario government employees who stole more than $11 million from Covid family relief programs by creating fake identities, while meanwhile people on disability weren't entitled to any benefits.


Oh wait. My bad. There's three of them.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.6185794


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30 Jan 2022, 9:37 pm

txfz1 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
txfz1 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
txfz1 wrote:
No, there numbers of the southern border crossings are facts and are breaking records.


Just as they've been trending for years. This is nothing new. It's expected - especially with political unrest and climate change. No matter who's in the White House the USA has this problem and has to figure out how to deal with it.

The nonsense BS part is pretending like the border doesn't exist since a Democratic President is in office. That's BS. The border is still there and so are all the border guards - something like 90% of American border guards are stationed on the Southern border vs. Northern and they didn't all get laid off and sent home when Joe took office. To suggest they walked off the job and opened the border is pure horsepoop.

Yup, the southern border is not wide open.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... e-trying-/


Politifact failed to mention the courts ruled for Biden to reinstate the Trump RIM policy. There is now evidence Biden admin is still moving illegals into the country by disobeying the court order. Dec was a record number almost as big as last July which was the largest in 21 years. These are apprehensions nobody knows how many crossed illegally.

What evidence?
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/tweet ... rder-data/


https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-december-2021-monthly-operational-update

I don’t trust any factchecking site today.

It is getting harder and harder to know what source to trust.Articles that contradict each other from what would once be a valid source.My niece just retired from Border Control near Brownsville but I’m not going to bother her with asking.She’s too busy enjoying her retirement to talk shop.


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30 Jan 2022, 10:16 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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Reading through the thread and I didn't realize that others here in the Ottawa area (IsabellaLinton) have had a situation more rough than I had to deal with, or what others can comprehend. I was deemed an essential worker from the beginning, but had a then 7 month old at the beginning of the pandemic with my wife at home watching him while collecting EI maternity benefits. She returned to work as she was essential to and the child went to daycare. Unfortunately my wife couldn't get her driver's license thanks to Ontario government lockdown restrictions for at least a year and this resulted in me driving her 20 km from our house twice a day and back. My workplace in comparison is only 4 km away from home. I dealt with this frustration for a year with what felt like no end in sight. Thankfully, she was able to get her g2 in Hawkesbury as the Ottawa locations were full once the system opened up again.

We both got vaccinated as per her job requirements. She was 4 months pregnant when fully vaccinated. She eventually had heart palpitations at 6 months and had to be given medication to get through the pregnancy. The child arrived a few days ago. Throughout the early part of this new omicron wave, I started seeing the media spew some massive loads of BS about pregnant women should get the booster and it will be safe. My wife was never pushed due to the condition she developed and the hospital staff never brought it up once on her periodic visits.

I have also seen our own doctors more or less refuse us in person visits. I have over the phone consultations about an ulcer in my stomach that likely got worse due to the stress of all the driving around and watching my credit rating slowly start to suffer due to the risingn gas costs as well as my wife taking unpaid time off when she got palpitations.
Again, I start seeing BS in the media about how much money Canadians saved. There is my frustration with the provincial level of politics and govenrment

Now inflation also got really high and federal elections back in September showed that noone really cared about affordability. There didn't seem to be any action plan. Even worse was Trudeau saying he doesn't think about monetary policy. We also get a new holiday meant to remember the indigenous suffering and our PM spends the day out on holiday rather than do what the media was lecturing us about on how to spend the day off (remembering the residential school victims). Then we go through October and now vaccination is forced on people so to speak. My wife develops her condition and now I am legit worried that when the 3rd dose is mandated that her ei benefits will be cutoff if she can't get proof of exemption.

Now to the truckers. It was already a stupid idea for the provinces to mandate hospital staff to get vaccinated. Ontario and Quebec eventually started asking those hospital staff to work sick with Omicron or Covid 19. Now truckers get the mandate. I think nothing of it at first. 10% of truckers not vaccinated seems small. Then the American media presents the fact that almost 60% of their truckers aren't vaccinated. That tells me any food shortage we see in Canada (especially remote northern communities) will be more severe than predicted at some point. This tells me our prime minister is stupid, just doesn't care, or both. Or quite possibly, he does in fact want to be a dictator.

Tl Dr. Version.
With all the frustration from these lockdown restrictions causing some health problems for me and my wife, the rising costs of everything despite not getting salary increases to make up for the costs, and now mandates that seem to make the healthcare and transport industries worse, I can say I don't blame anyone for wanting to protest.


Both countries have the same vaccine requirements for cross border travel, including truckers. Why should Canada allow unvaccinated truckers in while the USA doesn't extend that to Canadians?

Why should either country loosen up mandates when hospitals are still jammed with unvaccinated covid patients? Why should Canada bear the cost of an unvaccinated American trucker getting sick here and having to take up space in a Canadian hospital?


We all know the states are doing that. I don't see the effect being quite as severe for them as us due to us having to rely on them for food more than they need from us.

Let me repeat... 60% of vaccinated truckers in the states means that our food shortage could potentially be more severe than predicted.

And as for our hospitals being overwhelmed,
I don't think our provinces clearly give a flying you know what about covid at this point if our governments here are now asking the hospital staff to work sick and testing positive with covid anyway. But they sure are quick to deflect blame on unvaccinated and start restricting people from buying affordable groceries from Costco or Walmart. These governments sure care alright.


What percent of American truckers do you think cross the Canadian border? I'm pretty sure they can cover the requirements with even just 40% of their workforce. The USA is a large country with a lot of truckers - and Canada has 1/10th the population.. so Maybe 10% of their truckers ever even need to cross the border.

I dunno about where you live, but BC still cares about covid and we're trying not to jam up hospitals with people unnecessarily - hence promoting vaccination so as to avoid all that.

You think if Ontario had a choice they'd have covid-sick healthcare workers on shift? I guarantee you it's not their first choice - it's just doing what they have to do because they're understaffed and healthcare workers keep getting exposed to super sick covid patients so they're catching covid. All the more reason for the general population to get vaccinated and avoid hospitalization out of respect for doctors & nurses' health.


Fort Erie/Buffalo and Windsor/Detroit last I checked are the busiest crossing points between the two countries. I hazard a guess that BC, Washington border crossing is next. There probably a lot more truckers than you think. And in a crisis either way, what's to stop American governments from telling truckers that nothing is coming our way and to prioritize the States first anyway? I believe you underestimate how much food has to come our way, especially in winter months. Like someone already mentioned in this thread (possibly yourself, but not sure) the relationship between the two countries haven't been that solid over the last couple years.

I have lived in Ontario my whole life. The governments over the last couple decades or so (Liberals and Conservatives) have really gutted the state of Healthcare. Instead of giving fair wage increases, the nurses are capped at 1% each year. I am in the same boat as I work in a separate public service sector. Doug Ford and his government also attempted and possibly achieved this legislation to restrict vacation entitlements to staff back in August 2020. Then a year later, they pushed the vaccine mandate on hospital staff. This was all the government's doing. But just like what's going on in Quebec and even in the Federal government, deflecting blame on the citizens even whey they screwed it up badly themselves is the name of the game. And what I have seen in the hospital last week suggests understaffing and quite possibly an over reporting of hospitalizations.


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Thought maybe I'd share some photos to put things in perspective for people unfamiliar with this area.

The highway the truckers used eastbound en route to Ottawa is already known as the Highway of Heroes because it's the route where fallen soldiers travel upon repatriation from CFB Trenton to the forensics facilities in Toronto. There are many American border crossings along this route and it's a major trucking thoroughfare between countries as well as provinces.

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It's not uncommon for patriotic Canadians to wave flags on the overpasses as a sign of respect for people who demonstrate heroism or sacrifice for our freedom and our safety. This happens on many occasions when processions pass these rural areas and it does not mean the people are right-wingers or extremists. It means that we are grateful and we are patriotic, despite some unfortunate rhetoric saying that people shouldn't be proud of their freedom as Canadian citizens.

This picture is a procession of hearses for the fallen soldiers from Afghanistan:

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You'll see the same for funeral processions of police officers killed in action.

In fact most of those overpasses are named for people who died in the line of duty.

People can have whatever view of the truckers they choose, or whatever view of vaccines / mandates that they choose, but my point is that Canadians believe in freedom of assembly, and honouring those who honour us.


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More people wanting to die from COVID.  What a disgrace.


Never seen so many Canadians proud of their own ignorance. They should shift the focus of their protest towards better public education so as to avoid creating multi-generational morons.
Same here. I never would have thought we had so many of these people in my country. Until the pandemic I thought the anti-vaxx crap was mainly an American phenomenon.


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Five days should be enough for them to start dying.