25 May 2022, 10:57 pm
25 May 2022, 11:03 pm
25 May 2022, 11:04 pm
25 May 2022, 11:12 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm waiting for the lunatic right to claim this was a "false flag" government operation.
You rang?
But I don't see this as a republican or democrat thing.
I see it more in terms of it being a "Deep State" thang.
25 May 2022, 11:15 pm
25 May 2022, 11:24 pm
25 May 2022, 11:30 pm
25 May 2022, 11:32 pm
25 May 2022, 11:33 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
The right's belief in gun ownership isn't predicated on race, but on the prinicple of people (regardless of ancestry) being permitted to own firearms: .
To be fair the NRA and their supporters in the US are notorious for shifting the goal posts when the perpetrator of a mass shooting is a black man.
In this example Tucker Carlson is merely echoing exactly how many on the right respond based on the race of the shooter.
Please watch 8:30 - 9:30 to review the evidence of a double standard
It's easy to take select portions of what people say out of their initial context and frame them to suggest something different was being said\intended ("fine people", for instance, or the many times Mr Biden's words are defended as being "taken out of context") - do you have links to the complete (source) articles to allow an accurate and honest comparrison?
After all, the victims of both incidents in the first portion of this were treated the same by the left, weren't they?
25 May 2022, 11:41 pm
cyberdad wrote:
aghogday wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I was watching a video in Florida where in response to a spate of home break ins, a local sheriff told residents to shoot the intruder
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/27/10949531 ... rresponsib
This gives some insight into the gun problem in America where not just having a gun is normalised but where law enforcement is actually telling home owners to use their guns like they were lawnmowers.
Parents therefore need to take personal responsibility for their children and not blindly follow what their friends or people in charge do in giving their teenagers weapons.
Personal responsibility is about knowing that sometimes you live in a country that has archaic laws.
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/27/10949531 ... rresponsib
This gives some insight into the gun problem in America where not just having a gun is normalised but where law enforcement is actually telling home owners to use their guns like they were lawnmowers.
Parents therefore need to take personal responsibility for their children and not blindly follow what their friends or people in charge do in giving their teenagers weapons.
Personal responsibility is about knowing that sometimes you live in a country that has archaic laws.
Yep, The Sheriff of my County
And 'Trump Town USA' in Florida...
Oh boy!
'This Place' IS A 'Paradise'
More Commonly Literally
Called 'Hell' Originally to
Study as An Anthropology
Participant Observer
And EPiC Long Form
Free Verse Poet; Yes,
Just A Perfect
Place For Muse
iN DarK to
End
Up
And
Begin Again
iN LiGHT Hehe...
And Probably, the (A) Real
Town, 'The Joker' Was Referring
to Then When He Said, "This Town
Needs An Enema," Haha, They've
Only Seen me Dance in Public for
16,653 Miles So Far NoW in Almost
8 Years and 9 Months; Yet They Really
Haven't Got A 'Full Load' of me Yet...
Except For the Individuals, Who Have
Received A 10 Minute or So 'Fred-Talk' MONOLoGuE
FULL-IN-PERSON, With A 'Zillion Words' Flowing Through
A Cat-6 Hurricane Breeze in Wu Wei Ease for me at Least..
25 May 2022, 11:46 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
As someone pointed out, he was 18 and could legally buy weapons, but you did say "many".
=.
=.
That opens another can of worms
- the purchases were made for the suspect's 18th birthday.
- It's the first thing he did when he turned 18
- he purchased the guns legally from a federally authorized dealer in the Uvalde area. He had no problem accessing those weapons
Who gave him the money??
Some people buy a car as soon as they turn 18, and they generally cost more than firearms do [1] - do they each have to be given the money, or do people have the capacity to save (or have money from things such as inheritances which are held in trust until the person turns 18, at which time the funds are transferred to their custody).
Perhaps he saved, and the money came from doing chores\part time job\past Christmas\birthday gifts\etc.
[1] https://survivalfreedom.com/how-much-does-a-typical-gun-cost-with-examples/
25 May 2022, 11:48 pm
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
As someone pointed out, he was 18 and could legally buy weapons, but you did say "many".
=.
=.
That opens another can of worms
- the purchases were made for the suspect's 18th birthday.
- It's the first thing he did when he turned 18
- he purchased the guns legally from a federally authorized dealer in the Uvalde area. He had no problem accessing those weapons
Who gave him the money??
Some people buy a car as soon as they turn 18, and they generally cost more than firearms do [1] - do they each have to be given the money, or do people have the capacity to save (or have money from things such as inheritances which are held in trust until the person turns 18, at which time the funds are transferred to their custody).
Perhaps he saved, and the money came from doing chores\part time job\past Christmas\birthday gifts\etc.
[1] https://survivalfreedom.com/how-much-does-a-typical-gun-cost-with-examples/
I am genuinely interested how he accessed the funds and whether he was given the money as some type of birthday present?
25 May 2022, 11:52 pm
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
The right's belief in gun ownership isn't predicated on race, but on the prinicple of people (regardless of ancestry) being permitted to own firearms: .
To be fair the NRA and their supporters in the US are notorious for shifting the goal posts when the perpetrator of a mass shooting is a black man.
In this example Tucker Carlson is merely echoing exactly how many on the right respond based on the race of the shooter.
Please watch 8:30 - 9:30 to review the evidence of a double standard
It's easy to take select portions of what people say out of their initial context and frame them to suggest something different was being said\intended ("fine people", for instance, or the many times Mr Biden's words are defended as being "taken out of context") - do you have links to the complete (source) articles to allow an accurate and honest comparrison?
After all, the victims of both incidents in the first portion of this were treated the same by the left, weren't they?
But doesn't that just underline the point I was making. Republicans like Ted Cruz attended an NRA gun rally several hours after the shooting knowing full well what message that sends. Biden wants to avoid the Waukasha shooting funerals but is flying in to mourn the dead in this current shooting.
25 May 2022, 11:54 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
As someone pointed out, he was 18 and could legally buy weapons, but you did say "many".
=.
=.
That opens another can of worms
- the purchases were made for the suspect's 18th birthday.
- It's the first thing he did when he turned 18
- he purchased the guns legally from a federally authorized dealer in the Uvalde area. He had no problem accessing those weapons
Who gave him the money??
Some people buy a car as soon as they turn 18, and they generally cost more than firearms do [1] - do they each have to be given the money, or do people have the capacity to save (or have money from things such as inheritances which are held in trust until the person turns 18, at which time the funds are transferred to their custody).
Perhaps he saved, and the money came from doing chores\part time job\past Christmas\birthday gifts\etc.
[1] https://survivalfreedom.com/how-much-does-a-typical-gun-cost-with-examples/
I am genuinely interested how he accessed the funds and whether he was given the money as some type of birthday present?
And your point being?
Do you place restrictions on what the adult recipient of a (birthday) gift can (or cannot) use it for, or do you give it without constraint to allow the recipient to use it in a manner that feel is best for themselves?
26 May 2022, 12:17 am
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
The right's belief in gun ownership isn't predicated on race, but on the prinicple of people (regardless of ancestry) being permitted to own firearms: .
To be fair the NRA and their supporters in the US are notorious for shifting the goal posts when the perpetrator of a mass shooting is a black man.
In this example Tucker Carlson is merely echoing exactly how many on the right respond based on the race of the shooter.
Please watch 8:30 - 9:30 to review the evidence of a double standard
It's easy to take select portions of what people say out of their initial context and frame them to suggest something different was being said\intended ("fine people", for instance, or the many times Mr Biden's words are defended as being "taken out of context") - do you have links to the complete (source) articles to allow an accurate and honest comparrison?
After all, the victims of both incidents in the first portion of this were treated the same by the left, weren't they?
But doesn't that just underline the point I was making. Republicans like Ted Cruz attended an NRA gun rally several hours after the shooting knowing full well what message that sends. Biden wants to avoid the Waukasha shooting funerals but is flying in to mourn the dead in this current shooting.
Regarding your first point - As I understand it, the NRA are in favour of responsible gun ownership\use. Are you saying that what occurred at the school was "responsible gun ownership\use"? Or that people should not be behind groups\organistaions that endorse\push "responsible gun ownership\use"? Attending something organised by a group supporting "responsible gun ownership\use" would send a message that this is important - backing out would indicate that a person did not believe in this.
Regarding your second point:
Waukesha was an incident where a person intentionally drove through the length of a Christmas parade, injuring and killing a number of people (not a shooting). The article was published 8 days afterwards, indicating that there had been over a week in which such "assets" could have been assembled was there an intention to visit, and so either the intention to visit was not present, or that it takes more than a week to assemble the required asets.
The second incident occurred the day before the article was published and states that he would visit 3 days after the incident occurred, demonstrating that it takes less than 3 days to assemble the required assets.
26 May 2022, 12:36 am
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
As someone pointed out, he was 18 and could legally buy weapons, but you did say "many".
=.
=.
That opens another can of worms
- the purchases were made for the suspect's 18th birthday.
- It's the first thing he did when he turned 18
- he purchased the guns legally from a federally authorized dealer in the Uvalde area. He had no problem accessing those weapons
Who gave him the money??
Some people buy a car as soon as they turn 18, and they generally cost more than firearms do [1] - do they each have to be given the money, or do people have the capacity to save (or have money from things such as inheritances which are held in trust until the person turns 18, at which time the funds are transferred to their custody).
Perhaps he saved, and the money came from doing chores\part time job\past Christmas\birthday gifts\etc.
[1] https://survivalfreedom.com/how-much-does-a-typical-gun-cost-with-examples/
I am genuinely interested how he accessed the funds and whether he was given the money as some type of birthday present?
And your point being?
Do you place restrictions on what the adult recipient of a (birthday) gift can (or cannot) use it for, or do you give it without constraint to allow the recipient to use it in a manner that feel is best for themselves?
We don't know if the parents gave him money.
We don't know if they gave him money for the guns.
But I am sure as heck, they didn't give him money for a massacre.
I agree, this is rather irrelevant at this time.
I prefer to wait for the evidence to come home to roost before creating any serious opinion.
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