Diocese says school that flew BLM, Pride flags not Catholic

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Not that I know of. At least not on a large scale level. On a small scale level, I would say that Catholic families are often extremely active in social justice issues like BLM. Catholic families tend to teach a responsibility to community and society, although exactly what that means (if they'll join a BLM march or a Pro-Life march) will vary by the politics of the family.

What you'll hear from the pulpit varies because of the simple fact that priests are individuals and, as such, they have opinions.

The Catholic Church official dogma does not require any single position on social issues like BLM. How it plays out in parishes, diocese, and nations really varies depending on the individuals making the decisions.

Official Catholic Church dogma really is entirely a-political. It is individuals in leadership who sometimes connect a church ideal to a political position, but nothing in the catechism requires it.

Any organized initiative.
Like with charity: in addition to the Bible teaching, it is put to action by several organizations like Caritas.

So, do you know of any Catholic parity initiatives?

I think there is quite a gap between theory and real life when it comes to your understanding of the Church. I know you talk about interactions with members, but I'm not sure how broad that is. I've spent my entire life as a Catholic (Roman Catholic), have belonged to a number of different parishes, attended numerous retreats, attended numerous theological debates, have taught as a volunteer in the Parish School of Religion system (weekly religion classes for kids who don't go to Catholic school), and have had long term personal relationships with clergy.

The Church has a long history of advocating parity in healthcare and education, which is why a large network of Catholic hospitals and schools were created. The church has long strongly been an advocate for the poor and disadvantaged through programs and Charities created by the Church (St Vincent de Paul Society, Catholic Charities; just off the top of my head). As an institution, I feel like the Church has historically tended to create institutions to address key issues. Perhaps that allows them to define the goal and avoid local politics or the influence of differing human opinions (just a theory).

But, ultimately, "church" is a collection of human beings, and human beings have differing opinions. An overriding concept of Catholic theology is that we're allowed to make decisions applying our own conscious, assuming we've been able to acquire a robust consciousness aware of church teachings. Which means that a wide variety of political opinions are always going to exist within the church.

To go back to the original post, I think it is the fact that BLM and LQBTQ flags have acquired political associations that would be the issue more than anything. If that was the reasoning, I buy it. If the reasoning was that the messages are controversial, that we shouldn't be advocating for parity, then look to my discussion of different theological factions.

How should we see it? When a bunch of do-nothings show up to trash and loot something you worked so hard to build? There is no other way to see it. Your life doesn't begin to matter just because you stomp your foot. It starts to matter when you make contributions of value.

Woke people typically take issue with the response "all lives matter", because it appears to be dismissive of the purpose of BLM. I also disagree with that statement, but for a more practical reason. I believe that not all lives matter. In fact, I admit, I didn't matter most of my life... Through effort and hard work I'm changing that.

I think 99% of the time it's Roman Catholic

I think by now it's crystal clear that saying BLM doesn't mean wh***y isn't any less important.

I believe its important to say "Black Lives Matter" because the world has, for far too long, treated them as if they don't. Refusing to say the phrase is also a refusal to acknowledge that they haven't been getting a fair shake in life.

But I am concerned about your statement that your life didn't used to matter, but now it does. A life matters whether or not a person makes contributions of value. Who are you or I to say that any specific person does not contribute anything of value? And even if you insist on holding onto what I see as a silly notion, who are you or I to say that someone's future will not include contributions of value, even if there aren't any today? Aren't we all God's creatures? We all have a purpose, whether it is currently obvious or not. We are born with value; it is intrinsic to being a human being. It can be squandered, but it does not have to be earned.

And by extension why does the catholic Dioceses have the right to pass judgement on other human beings.

They don't.

All they did was tell a school not to fly some flags. There may or may not be more to it than that.

The church is not in the business of passing judgement, even if it sometimes seems otherwise.

There is more to it than some simple oversight on school laws. Just because the Dioceses have the power to exercise what flags can be flown on a school (who BTW chose to fly these flags) doesn't mean they have some moral/ethical right to exercise their power. I am more interested in what their intention was to prohibit rather than some bland directive to only fly certain flags.

Do you mean programs that promote equality?

Up until recently the only flag that was flown in any American school was the American flag and perhaps the state flag. These days the LGBTQQIP2SAA+ flag is on the way to being flown as much as the national flag. It's like if there's a national flag being flown, the LGBTQQIP2SAA+ flag must be flown along with it. That's incredibly imposing.

I am going to go with the assumption that makes the most sense to me based on my experience with schools: some parent or parishioner got upset, probably because of that parent or parishioner has what I see as a wrong impression of the symbols, and complained. The diocese then decided to avoid controversy. It isn't the job of a Catholic School to step in the middle of controversy unless it is clearly related to their mission. While I don't find the meaning of the flags completely unrelated, I am smart enough to know that different people pull different meanings from the flags, and we can't change that reality.

The words "Catholic", and "Orthodox", predate the churches of those names.

"Catholic" means "universal", and "orthodox" means "normal, standard, mainstream, accepted by authority, and like that".

So the western church calls itself "universal", and the eastern church calls itself "normal".

Then the "proclaimers" broke off from the Universal Church. "Protest" originally meant "to proclaim"(as in 'to protest your innocence', and "methinks the lady dost protest too much'), and only later came to mean "protest" in the modern sense. Hence the "Protestants".

^^^ This makes sense to me, but I also think the would be "karen" who complained has a willing and sympathetic ear on the part of the diocese. I hardly think members of the clergy lost any sleep over asking the flags to be removed.

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Christianity, And Particularly the Christian
Churches Interpreting the Bible AS Such

Are Rife With Contradictions

Of Basic Human Decency,

Applicable to the Rights

of Life, Liberty, And the
Pursuit of Not Only Group
Happiness, All Bonding And Binding
And Agreeing With in-Group Think And Actions;

Yet, Individual Pursuits of Happiness Applicable to
The Wide Diversity of What May Make Heaven or Hell

Similar to
Different Tastes ...

True, One Human's Garbage
May Be Another Human's 'Holy Trick or Treat'

As 'They' Say Back in "Them Gehenna Days" Now And
Then Humans Fear The Chaos Nature Will Bring From Life to Death...

Humans Not only Seek Order, They Strangle it Out of Nature and Get
Lost From Their own Nature
Sadly No Longer
Naked Enough
Whole And Complete

As Both DarK Struggles
And LiGHT Successes BRinG
iN A Balance oF LiGHT And DarK Alike;

Yet You See That Statement is Metaphorical/Mystical/
Holistic And Rather Vague And Up to Each Person to Determine

What Works For THeiR ULTiMaTE Freedom of Expression iN Deed

And in "Order" To Keep Folks in an Organization, Perhaps Better Put,

An 'Institution' of Symbols and Ideologies, Folks Bond and Bind Over
For Order to Fully Exist, IT Must Provide the Entire Story From Beginning to

End And Provide
Enough Carrots Like
Heaven After Death in Reward
Or Hell After Death in Punishment For
Both Places in Black and White Consequences
Forever Except of Course Ideologies Like Purgatory as

Part of the
Story Mix too...

Anyway, With or Without
A So-Called 'God,' Generally
This is How So-Called Religion
Works; What Bonds and Binds Humans
Together Enough to Survive and Even Thrive;

Even if it is Only the Hope
That Heaven After Death
Brings in A Life That
Really S88KS Now

Or Doesn't if One is A Catholic
Priest Repressing the Expression
Free of Their Sexual Orientation AS Such...

As Studies Done Within the Global Catholic Organization; the Present
Roman Catholic One, Yes AS Such SHows Anywhere From 30 Percent
to 60 Percent of Catholic Priests Are of Homosexual Orientation

And Up to 80 Percent
of Vatican Priests With

All Kind of Controversial
Associated Scandals Ranging
From Male Escorts Hired AS Such
And Other Issues that Happen When
Folks Repress Their Sexual Orientations in
Life and Move into Places that Sadly Harm Others

in Many
Ways Indeed,

Including Homophobic
Actions Toward Others as
Of Course Most of Us Know
Those Who Protest Most May
Fear Who They Really Are the Most too;

Just Hiding Away Their Freedom of Will And
Expression At Core of What it means to Exist;
Yes, Sexual Expression in Most Intimate Ways of Human

Contact

to Be Fully
Human And
Free And Most
Importantly Authentic
For Who They Are Born to
Be And Who They Desire to Be Most...

So What Happens, We See Lots of Homophobia

So What Happens, We See Lots of Fabulous Colorful

Robes That Change in Liturgical Seasons, Truly Like

A Colorful Celebration of Freedom of Expression Almost

Like Being
On Parade
Celebrating Life
The Best 'They' Can
And Will Still Now; Yes,

The Word Catholic Means
Universal And in the Case of
The Beatitudes Style Jesus it Means

Love For All With Least Harm With No Exclusions

Yet of course There is the Mr Hyde Side of Dr. Jekyll

As 'Good' Old Saint Augustine Claimed Most Folks Are Going
to Hell With No Exception too Just Burning forever that Way

Yet There Are Modern Exceptions and Other Interpretations
of Biblical

Parables SucH As

Saint Franciscan Monk
And Priest Richard Rohr
Providing A More Mystical
And Holistic Interpretation
of Christian Holy Texts as We
See Mystical Interpretations of Other

Religions Far Beyond Black And White Literal Takes

As He Doesn't Believe An All Loving Merciful Forgiving
God Burns Enemies 'of the Church' Forever Nope Both He

And Even Famous Bishop Barron YouTube Catholic Church
Public Relations Dude Described it Just Yesterday on His Facebook Page and i Quote:

"Friends, today’s Gospel raises a crucial question about heaven and hell: Who will be in and who will be out?
Origen argued that all people will be saved. For how could God’s love allow even one person to be damned?
And St. Augustine argued that the vast majority of human beings were going to be damned.
Here’s how I approach this issue. The doctrine concerning hell is a corollary of two more
fundamental truths: that God is love and that we are free. Love is all that God is. He’s not
loving to some and not to others. No act of ours can possibly make him stop loving us.
However, we are free. Hence, we can say yes or we can say no to his love. If we turn toward it,
we open like a sunflower; if we turn away from it, we get burned. The very resistance to love causes pain.
Think of a spelunker trapped in a cave for many weeks. When he emerges into the light of the sun, he
experiences it as a torture. The same sun that delights someone who is accustomed to it tortures someone
who has been turned from it."

-Bishop Robert Barron

~Tuesday, June 21, 2022
Memorial of Saint Aloysius Gonzaga, Religious
Matthew 7:6, 12-14

On the Other Hand, He Blamed 'The Mythical
Devil' For the Abuses Among the Priests in 'Those
Scandals' This and Last And Many Centuries Before

In Sexual Abuse Towards Those Who Are Not of age of Consent
And In Some Cases Rapes of Nuns and the Such of That As Well...

Yet Anyway, This much i Personally Feel and Sense For Sure Living With

The Actual Worst Pain Known to Humankind, Type Two Trigeminal Neuralgia
From Wake to Sleep for 66 Months, No Drug Would Touch, Mostly Shut-in my
Bedroom Like the Hunch Back of Notre Dame or Phantom of the Opera Who then
Had So Much pain in the Right Side of His Face, More Specifically Right Eye and

Ear That Yes i Could Not
Stand to Look at Colors
And A Street Light At 3 AM
Was Brighter Than Looking Directly

At The Sun on the Longest Day of the YeaR
And Hell no i Couldn't Bear to Listen to Any Music
At All As Crickets Were Like Armies of Freight Trains

Riding Over
the Track
of My Dead
Living SouL ON EartH;

Losing the Memory of, if i Ever
Felt A Smile as Emotions are Memories
And Memories Are Emotions of Course Losing

The Ability in Feeling and Sensing Way For Either
Giving or Receiving Love Basically Far Away From
Any Pleasurable Sensory or Emotional Experience of

Life; The Worst Pain Known to Humankind, the Suicide Disease
That is Literally Assessed As Worse than the Real Torture of Crucifixion
Is Not As Tortuous As Being Separated From ANY Breath of Love; God Yes,
i Do 'Know' as the Only

Solution the Doctors
Had Was to Block A
Nerve in my Face Risking
Permanent Paralysis of my Face As

i Feared The Emptiness And Numb
of Hell More Than A Fire Burning in
my Right Eye and Ear Forever Now Then And to Understand

Now That Some Poorest of Human Being REAL Spirits Are Born Disabled
Without The Ability to Feel and Sense the Giving and Receiving of Love

i Surely Have
Sympathy
For Any
'Real So Called
Devil' Born that Way
From Birth' As i Will Truly
Say Done That and Been THere Before

WHere A Thousand Years in One Second
is WHere You Wait for One Taste of One Drop of Love to LiVE Again...

Ha! And People Ask Why i Celebrate With A Naked And Free Dance And Song of Poetry
All Seconds of the Day NoW iNDeeD; They Have no REAL Clue of WHere the Human Soul

Will Go
And Not
Go in A Living
Death of Life Now;

'Thing' is, Not Unlike
Homosexuality; IT IS NO CHOICE,
Some Folks Are Born Without the
Ability To Feel and Sense the Give and
Receive of Love; They Have No Reference Point

of Heaven at All Just like my Son Born to Only
Pain Without a Smile for 51 Days Yet Some Folks Live

Years, Decades this Way Living Dead And never even
Understanding Fully Why;

The Only Way to FULLY
Understand Now God Yes,

is for Folks Like me Who Have
Lived in Both Places in One Life Now;

No Doubt Some of Those Parables in the
Bible Were Written By Ghost Authors Who
Experienced Similar Hells and Heavens As i Have

too Like Luke 17:21 That Says You'll Only Find Heaven
Within; Well, The Same Verily Applies to Hell too; And You

Know What, Life's Not Fair AGAiN

As for some folks

It is No choice at

All; if not For my Blessing
of Nature i Surely Could
Have been born Like them

And If Not for The Curse Later

On in Life, i Might Not Fully Understand
my Gift And Have Sympathy for Every 'Devil'
in Life LiVinG Dead;

And Truly

Be ABLE

to Love

Unconditionally
For All This Way; Yep,

Just for the Gift i Have Eternally Now;

Just for this Little Sliver of Heaven Now

And No Longer HeLL ON Earth Looking Above

Seeing All those Cold and Hot Rocks in Space;

Looking Over there and Seeing the Desert and
Frozen Tundra too True Not Only Feeling and Sensing
Paradise Within Yet the Nature i am Blessed to Be Seeded in As Well...

And Meanwhile

Folks Are Obsessed

With Which Body Parts
Bring Pleasure in Life Now;

And Meanwhile Folks Who Are Terrified
of Being Lost From the Group Think And Do,

Give Up Who They Are to Continue Living in a PriSon
Made By Others and Sadly By Their Own Free Will too...

If the 'Gay Church' Could Just Be Authentic of Who They Are

Perhaps A Beatitudes JeSuS Could Come to Life Yet i For One

Am Not going

to Wait on
Folks too
Afraid to
Be and

Do Who
They Authentically

Are; For It's True, i'd Rather
Be More Human And Less like
'A God' Who Damns Most Folks to Hell Forever;

On the Other Hand, Sadly Some Folks Do Go on Their
Own Volition; True, Slowly As A Frog Boils, Never Truly
Understanding How They Got to Hell Now or How to Turn
the Freezer Off...

It's An Art;

Approach it

As a Science

And Only Get
Lost Even More in a
Garbage Dump of Gehenna...

Meanwhile, the Colorful Robes
of the Catholic Church Continue
the Parade of What's Left of 'Human Free PRide'...

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